[Fwd: Document Foundation - list archive - emails in clear]

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Шаље: Goran Rakic <[hidden email]>
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Наслов: Re: Document Foundation - list archive - emails in clear
Датум: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 02:29:57 +0200

У пет, 08. 10 2010. у 08:56 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber пише:
> Many of the other lists that I subscribe to have the
> email addresses given as something like jean@xxxxxxxx in the archives.
> However, the OOo archives have them in plain text.

I believe this should be prevented. I just found in docs that there is a
SPAMMODE option: http://mhonarc.org/MHonArc/doc/resources/spammode.html

I did raise the same objection about the OpenOffice.org mailing lists
once before, but back than it was said it is CollabNet and that there is
no such option.

Goran


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Hi,

Am 08.10.2010 um 02:31 schrieb Goran Rakic:

> I believe this should be prevented. I just found in docs that there is
a
> SPAMMODE option:
http://mhonarc.org/MHonArc/doc/resources/spammode.html
>
> I did raise the same objection about the OpenOffice.org mailing lists
> once before, but back than it was said it is CollabNet and that there
is
> no such option.

this is on purpose. It doesn't bring anything to hide mail addresses,
but will be very annoying if you want to follow-up with someone
directly...

Florian

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It means you will get spam nontheless. Even accounts never used in
public get spam these days...

Am 08.10.2010 um 17:25 schrieb Michael:

> Can you please elaborate when you say, "It doesn't bring anything to
> hide mail addresses."


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That you will get Spam nontheless ;)

Am 08.10.2010 um 17:25 schrieb Michael:

> Can you please elaborate when you say, "It doesn't bring anything to
> hide mail addresses."


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Hi Florian, all

Florian Effenberger schrieb:
I understand your position very good: If we want to use the archives
(will be improved, I'm sure), it doesn't make much sense to hinder
people form replying directly.

On the other hand: This question has been raised on the OOo mailing
lists every now and then, leading to annoyance and people leaving the
community. This can't be avoided by adding another phrase to the
subscribe link or in the subscription autoresponder - people act before
they read (if they read at all).

So I'm thinking about an option to show the mail addresses only if you
are logged in. Don't know if this is hard to achieve.

But even if SPAMMODE is nothing you really can believe on, it shows that
we care for these fears (and it might reduce SPAM to some - unmeasurable
- degree).

This could only be a possibility, if it can be achieved without much
work - I think we have much more important tasks at the moment.

Best regards

Bernhard
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Hi,

at the moment, unfortunately, there is no login option at the list
archives. So we either have the choice of showing addresses to everyone,
or hiding them for everyone. I vote for the latter...

Florian


Am 09.10.2010 um 10:36 schrieb Bernhard Dippold:

> I understand your position very good: If we want to use the archives
(will be improved, I'm sure), it doesn't make much sense to hinder
people form replying directly.
>
> On the other hand: This question has been raised on the OOo mailing
lists every now and then, leading to annoyance and people leaving the
community. This can't be avoided by adding another phrase to the
subscribe link or in the subscription autoresponder - people act before
they read (if they read at all).
>
> So I'm thinking about an option to show the mail addresses only if you
are logged in. Don't know if this is hard to achieve.
>
> But even if SPAMMODE is nothing you really can believe on, it shows
that we care for these fears (and it might reduce SPAM to some -
unmeasurable - degree).
>
> This could only be a possibility, if it can be achieved without much
work - I think we have much more important tasks at the moment.


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On Sat, 2010-10-09 at 12:33 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote:
> Hi,
>
> at the moment, unfortunately, there is no login option at the list

Well If I may suggest - stop thinking about how it was and be open to
doing things differently.

Archives at nabble do not show email addresses.

You can embed the interface into any web page and theme that page any
way you want. Use this instead of the mail server archivers - all though
I would then have those available also, but in a much less prominent
way.

For the hard core email users / nntp users this doesn't really matter
they are still getting what they want, and for the mail servers archive
interface just push that off to a page that requires the user logi to
the site.



> archives. So we either have the choice of showing addresses to everyone,

> or hiding them for everyone. I vote for the latter...
>
> Florian


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Hi,

Drew Jensen wrote on 2010-10-09 13.44:
> You can embed the interface into any web page and theme that page any
> way you want. Use this instead of the mail server archivers - all though
> I would then have those available also, but in a much less prominent
> way.
>
> For the hard core email users / nntp users this doesn't really matter
> they are still getting what they want, and for the mail servers archive
> interface just push that off to a page that requires the user logi to
> the site.

I will look into it - however, as there seem to be very different
perceptions on the issue, I think it's not that high priority at the
moment...

Florian

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>
> I will look into it - however, as there seem to be very different
> perceptions on the issue, I think it's not that high priority at the
> moment...
>

Agreed


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