IBM is alive ;)

Interesting news on this site
http://www.addictivetips.com/internet-tips/ibm-docs-google-docs-like-office-suite-with-advance-share-options/

- add this to the 3.0.1 release of IBM Lotus Symphony (which in a 0.0.1 release manages to change it's spreadsheet from the traditional 65K lines to 1Million lines... Take that Mozilla! :) )

- add this to the current Google monopolistic attitude (they always behaved this way, to be honest): either you accept the whole package (Search, Docs, Google+) and we can search and have access to it all WITH your permission or you can go elsewhere.

And we might see IBM getting some good reputation from the desktop users...

Now for the elitist part typical of IBM: you can't subscribe to the service with a personal (gmail at least) account :)

On 04/02/2012 13:40, Pedro wrote:
> Interesting news on this site
> http://www.addictivetips.com/internet-tips/ibm-docs-google-docs-like-office-suite-with-advance-share-options/

IBM has never been involved in TDF, and has been openly bashing TDF and
LibreOffice on personal blogs of IBM employees and AOOoI mailing lists.
Sorry, but IBM is off topic here.

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italovignoli wrote

IBM has never been involved in TDF, and has been openly bashing TDF and
LibreOffice on personal blogs of IBM employees and AOOoI mailing lists.
Sorry, but IBM is off topic here.

I am well aware of all that (IMO some IBM employees bashing TDF on their blogs and on public mailing lists and forums, does not make it a corporate decision ;) ).

Yet, this is also about a competitor product based on the same (original) source code.

The migration to the Cloud seems quite interesting and fit for a general discussion list ;)

Especially because a cloud version or cloud connected version of LibreOffice is in TDF's plans?

On 04/02/2012 15:33, Pedro wrote: Its actually quite funny I was thinking of offering something in the
cloud with a web based version of LO to my clients where they would rent
a virtual private server for the office and login or use the web version
to do their work respectivley.

> Especially because a cloud version or cloud connected version of LibreOffice
> is in TDF's plans?
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On 04/02/2012 15:33, Pedro wrote:

> The migration to the Cloud seems quite interesting and fit for a general
> discussion list ;)

IBM Docs is a proprietary product based on a completely different code
base, and therefore does not belong to the same "family" of products.

> Especially because a cloud version or cloud connected version of LibreOffice
> is in TDF's plans?

Again, the product is going to be a different one. IBM Docs is competing
with Google Docs, and they are for the so called "global cloud", which
is something very exciting as a buzzword but very unlikely to take off
as a corporate solution (it would mean that the corporate client give
IBM/Google their documents, as they would be stored on IBM/Google servers).

LibreOffice On Line will address private clouds, which are the ones
going to be deployed by corporations (the server where the application
is running is a private server, which can be accessed by the employees
of the company, and stores safely their documents).

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italovignoli wrote

IBM Docs is a proprietary product based on a completely different code
base, and therefore does not belong to the same "family" of products.

And yet, IBM Docs' default file format is ODF, which makes it a not so distant cousin :)

I do hope that LibreOffice On Line becomes a reality! It would be the only (to my knowledge) Free own-server based office suite!

Please take mental note not to name it LibreOffice On Line (LOOL) or LibreOffice Online (LOO) . Maybe something more creative like LibreOffice Cloud Edition (LOCE) or LibreOffice Web Edition (LOWE) :)

On 04/02/2012 17:18, Pedro wrote:
I am planning on offering something like that to my clients all they
would be paying for is the virtual private server. Online is where
everything is going. Pedro have you tried compiling LO from source
Michael Meeks told me how to do it and its quite simple to get it
compiling for the web at least from what i have been told, will soon
find out if that is true.

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> I do hope that LibreOffice On Line becomes a reality! It would be the only
> (to my knowledge) Free own-server based office suite!

There is one of which I am aware, having used it at a previous employer: Zimbra Docs.

It is not widely documented or discussed online, for reasons I don't know. Here's a brief review, though:

http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/features/managing-docs-with-zimbra/

It worked pretty well in my usage, I'd use it again.

Ben

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On 04/02/2012 17:26, Benjamin Horst wrote: Ben zimbra is proprietary as well now owned by vmware. With my luck on
trying to start using vmware for virtualization as a start up business
they have put me off using their products. Would be nice to develop a
mail client to add to the LO suite.

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Jonathan Aquilina wrote

I am planning on offering something like that to my clients all they
would be paying for is the virtual private server. Online is where
everything is going. Pedro have you tried compiling LO from source
Michael Meeks told me how to do it and its quite simple to get it
compiling for the web at least from what i have been told, will soon
find out if that is true.

Compiling from source is beyond my skills :)
But I'm available to do some testing of your virtual private server ;)

However I hope that LO server based is a suite installed on a local server and running on the browser as Google docs does. This would allow to have a centrally updated stable office suite instead of having to install in each PC... If it is done in a similar manner to Google Docs and IBM Docs, the documents can be shared and even edited simultaneously by several users within an intranet.

Am I daydreaming? :)

On 04/02/2012 18:37, Pedro wrote:
No your not. I want to make what your saying a reality, At the moment I
have vmware esxi which is major beurocratic BS to be able to resell
services. I will probably end up going with an open source
virtualization soultion like xen with lvm.

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On Feb 4, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:

There appears to be an open source version of Zimbra still: http://www.zimbra.com/products/zimbra-open-source.html 

Whether it has the same feature set, I'm not sure. As mentioned, the documentation on Zimbra Docs is sparse!

-Ben

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On 04/02/2012 19:50, Benjamin Horst wrote: I dont know about that, but they have the free zimbra desktop mail
client which i have tried and am not impressed with.

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On Feb 4, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:

That client is a different story, and I didn't like it either, but you can use any email client you want with the email server.

Regardless, it's the browser-based word processor, spreadsheet and slideshow creation tools within the Zimbra self-hosted server application that we're talking about here. If you haven't looked at them, I suggest you do. To my knowledge, they are the closest thing on the internet to a self-hosted, open source equivalent to Google Docs.

-Ben


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On 04/02/2012 20:04, Benjamin Horst wrote: Ben i just had a major botched issue with vmware in regards to using
esxi to resell services using this virtualization platform. I am
apprehensive to try again with them cuz the company is so full of
beurocracy it makes it hard for a small business such as mine to buy
into their products.

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Hi Benjamin, all

Benjamin Horst wrote

http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/features/managing-docs-with-zimbra/

It worked pretty well in my usage, I'd use it again.

This is not even similar to Google Docs or IBM Docs. Zimbra Docs is a "a WYSIWYG tool for creating, sharing, and publishing documents online - and note that this includes spreadsheets as well as word processing documents."

I couldn't find a lot about word processing but what I did find looked more like a Rich Text editor. The "spreadsheet" is really a 6 columns by 10 lines Table. Naming that a "spreadsheet" is a little overkill...

http://blogs.zdnet.com/images/Zimbra_documents.png

In addition the Open Source version is a limited version of the paid one (I really feel cheated with this trick...)

I guess this is not what I was referring to ;)

On 04/02/2012 20:18, Pedro wrote: Pedro

I would take a web based version of LO over zimbra google docs or office
anyday :D

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On Feb 4, 2012, at 2:18 PM, Pedro wrote:

Yes, it is much closer to Google Docs than you think.

> I couldn't find a lot about word processing but what I did find looked more
> like a Rich Text editor. The "spreadsheet" is really a 6 columns by 10 lines
> Table. Naming that a "spreadsheet" is a little overkill...
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/images/Zimbra_documents.png

This screenshot showing 6x10 cells does not mean that's all the app can do. I recall using it for much more than that.

> In addition the Open Source version is a limited version of the paid one (I
> really feel cheated with this trick...)

It's an annoying trick when companies do this. I don't know if Zimbra reduces the feature set, or if they just don't offer support for the open source version.

If you are serious about evaluating existing competitors in this space and want to carry out real due diligence, you need to download and install the Zimbra open source version to experiment with it. The installation I used was set up by our IT team, and I don't know how they configured it, what add-ons they may have installed, whether we were using the open source or closed source versions, etc.

I'll be happy to help you. Do you have a server or VM that we could use to test?

-Ben


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Hi Benjamin

Benjamin Horst wrote

If you are serious about evaluating existing competitors in this space and want to carry out real due diligence, you need to download and install the Zimbra open source version to experiment with it. The installation I used was set up by our IT team, and I don't know how they configured it, what add-ons they may have installed, whether we were using the open source or closed source versions, etc.

I'll be happy to help you. Do you have a server or VM that we could use to test?

Thank you for your offer. But Zimbra is not what I'm looking for. And I really won't test a product just to find out that the feature that I need "Is available on the paid Professional version". I sincerely prefer to test a Trial version which has all features but a limited time than a limited version. I guess I'll keep waiting for LOWE :)

Kind regards,
Pedro

IBM has not been bashing LibreOffice.

Italo, call me if you want to discuss. There is no 'bashing' going on.
Please stop. We are both open source projects, Apache and TDF. Let's start
to have some respect showing please. It will help everyone.

Personal blogs are personal blogs. There is no enmity toward LibreOffice
from IBM. Let me be clear. Yes, we have some difference of opinion on
foundations and licensing and so on, but we share a common passion. I hope
you see this.

What is this talk about a competitor product? The Apache OpenOffice
project does not seek to compete with LibreOffice.

It's time to stop this nonsense.

Respectfully,

/don

Donald Harbison
Program Director
IBM Open Document Format Initiative
Software Group

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Date:   02/04/2012 09:37 AM
Subject:        [tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)




italovignoli wrote
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> IBM has never been involved in TDF, and has been openly bashing TDF and
> LibreOffice on personal blogs of IBM employees and AOOoI mailing lists.
> Sorry, but IBM is off topic here.
>

I am well aware of all that (IMO some IBM employees bashing TDF on their
blogs and on public mailing lists and forums, does not make it a corporate
decision ;) ).

Yet, this is also about a competitor product based on the same (original)
source code.

The migration to the Cloud seems quite interesting and fit for a general
discussion list ;)

Especially because a cloud version or cloud connected version of
LibreOffice
is in TDF's plans?

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