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Hello list,

LibreOffice has a bug and does not read character formatting correctly
after reopening document. Some font formatting is reset to Standard.
I reported such bugs (for OpenOffice, too) many years ago and updated
the reports regularly.

Please read Bug 35538 - "Writer does not remember formatting (font
selection) with complex font families"
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35538

I knew some users and myself having some font families with different
fonts weights in their office.
We are forced to re-edit after opening the saved document or template.
Using other fonts in document or template is not really a solution as
it breaks Corporate Identity.

What can be done to let the developers know that this is a serious
issue? Money donations?
Please help us.

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Regards
GwenDragon
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Re: Libnreoffice Writer (3.x, 4.x, 5.x) on Linux looses font formt after repening document

Hi ,

GwenDragon wrote on 09-11-16 12:54:

> Please read Bug 35538 - "Writer does not remember formatting (font
> selection) with complex font families"
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35538

I can understand your frustration for that issue.

> What can be done to let the developers know that this is a serious
> issue? Money donations?

From what I read you and others did a proper job in neatly documenting
the issue.
Money donations are not for specific issues, unless you hire a
developer. You may want to look at
http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/professional-support/.

Another possibility, if you're a bit technical: start building and
hacking LibreOffice. Obviously you will need some pointers for this, but
there are developers that can help. And maybe..

Now that I'm writing this: there is some changes ongoing in font
handling at the moment. Can you try a fresh daily build maybe?
http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/

Success,
Cor

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Hello Cor,
On Wed, 9 Nov 2016, at 13:23:34 [GMT +0100] (which was 13:23 where I
live) Cor wrote:

> From what I read you and others did a proper job in neatly documenting
> the issue.
Thanks. As a webdev, Perl programmer and server admin i know how to
write good bugreports.

> Money donations are not for specific issues, unless you hire a
> developer. You may want to look at
> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/professional-support/.
Sorry, but if one developer programs a fix only for us that may cost
more than thousands of $/EUR.

> Another possibility, if you're a bit technical: start building and
> hacking LibreOffice. Obviously you will need some pointers for this, but
> there are developers that can help. And maybe..
No, sorry i and the other mentioned not enough time and C#++ knowledge to
implement this myself.

> Now that I'm writing this: there is some changes ongoing in font
> handling at the moment. Can you try a fresh daily build maybe?
> http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/master/
OK, i will try a daily build to check if this will fix the issue.
Thanks for the hint.


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On 09/11/2016 11:54, GwenDragon wrote:

> Please read Bug 35538 - "Writer does not remember formatting (font
> selection) with complex font families"
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35538

I have a theory about why that bug occurs.
Give me a couple of days to fix my laptop, so I can test my theory out.

jonathon


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Re: Libnreoffice Writer (3.x, 4.x, 5.x) on Linux looses font formt after repening document

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On 11/09/2016 06:54 AM, GwenDragon wrote:

> Hello list,
>
> LibreOffice has a bug and does not read character formatting correctly
> after reopening document. Some font formatting is reset to Standard.
> I reported such bugs (for OpenOffice, too) many years ago and updated
> the reports regularly.
>
> Please read Bug 35538 - "Writer does not remember formatting (font
> selection) with complex font families"
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35538
>
> I knew some users and myself having some font families with different
> fonts weights in their office.
> We are forced to re-edit after opening the saved document or template.
> Using other fonts in document or template is not really a solution as
> it breaks Corporate Identity.

I have read this thread's replies, but have a question about what you
are talking about.

Are you saying that "Corporate" uses a specific font that has multiple
font weights and the person trying to edit it has the font but not the
specific weights in the original document?  Like "thin" or "light", or
using "heavy" instead of "bold" ?

I have had the same issues myself.  I was lucky that one client gave me
the complete Adobe font set for that specific year's specific set.  Yes,
there are fonts that I use that has less "weight" options of the
client's system, or I have more "weights" and "styles" of the font than
the client has in their system.

Years ago, I worked with a PDF package that would embed the needed fonts
into the file so the end user would have the specific "specialty fonts"
displayed on their system.  Many of the specialty fonts were/are not
commonly used by others, so they had to come with the PDF file to
display or print properly - especially printers tasked to print large
volume newsletter printing.

I think there was some "legal" issues that came up with embedding
copyright protected fonts, like Adobe's, into a document being shared
around to people who did not own the fonts in question.  I do not know
if it is so now, but I was told not to do this anymore. That is why I
use free fonts anymore, including the MS core fonts that are part of the
Ubuntu repository.

I still get Word/Writer documents sent to me for editing where I do not
have the needed font and cannot afford to but them for my systems.  Now
I find out what fonts are wanted and see if I have it in my 200,000 font
collection folder[s]. [mostly free and replacement fonts in this collection]
> What can be done to let the developers know that this is a serious
> issue? Money donations?
> Please help us.
>
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Re: Libnreoffice Writer (3.x, 4.x, 5.x) on Linux looses font formt after repening document

Hello Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster,
On Wed, 9 Nov 2016, at 15:44:37 [GMT -0500] (which was 21:44 where I
live) Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:

> I have read this thread's replies, but have a question about what you
> are talking about.
>
> Are you saying that "Corporate" uses a specific font that has multiple
> font weights and the person trying to edit it has the font but not the
> specific weights in the original document?  Like "thin" or "light", or
> using "heavy" instead of "bold" ?
Not, it is at the company where the documents are created and re-edited
for later printing.
The font family is completely installed on the systems, no
font missing.

I talk about the problem that Libreoffice looses formatting and
font information f.ex. about font weight/style, after saving and
reopening the same document. The style in document is reset.
See the GIF animation at
https://labs.gwendragon.de/blog/Computer/Anwendungen/Buero/libreoffice-font-format-bug.gif

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Thanks for the info.


On 11/10/2016 04:50 AM, GwenDragon wrote:

> Hello Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster,
> On Wed, 9 Nov 2016, at 15:44:37 [GMT -0500] (which was 21:44 where I
> live) Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:
>
>> I have read this thread's replies, but have a question about what you
>> are talking about.
>>
>> Are you saying that "Corporate" uses a specific font that has multiple
>> font weights and the person trying to edit it has the font but not the
>> specific weights in the original document?  Like "thin" or "light", or
>> using "heavy" instead of "bold" ?
> Not, it is at the company where the documents are created and re-edited
> for later printing.
> The font family is completely installed on the systems, no
> font missing.
>
> I talk about the problem that Libreoffice looses formatting and
> font information f.ex. about font weight/style, after saving and
> reopening the same document. The style in document is reset.
> See the GIF animation at
> https://labs.gwendragon.de/blog/Computer/Anwendungen/Buero/libreoffice-font-format-bug.gif
>
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> Regards
> GwenDragon



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Hello Jonathan,
On Wed, 9 Nov 2016, at 16:21:15 [GMT +0000] (which was 17:21 where I
live) toki wrote:

> On 09/11/2016 11:54, GwenDragon wrote:

>> Please read Bug 35538 - "Writer does not remember formatting (font
>> selection) with complex font families"
>> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35538
>
> I have a theory about why that bug occurs.
> Give me a couple of days to fix my laptop, so I can test my theory out.

Just a reminder to check it.

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Hello Discuss,
On Wed, 9 Nov 2016, at 19:25:54 [GMT +0000] (which was 20:25 where I
live) toki wrote:

> If I haven't posted anything on either Bugs.documentfoundation.org, or
> on this list, by Monday 14, November, send me a reminder to post the
> information.
>
> jonathon

Anything new for this issue?

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On 05/12/16 18:18, GwenDragon wrote:

>> If I haven't posted anything on either Bugs.documentfoundation.org, or
> Anything new for this issue?

This is why I'm writing that font analysis addition.
Learning C++ isn't as simple as I expected.

jonathon

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Hello toki,
On Mon, 5 Dec 2016, at 21:36:58 [GMT +0000] (which was 22:36 where I
live) toki wrote:

>>> If I haven't posted anything on either Bugs.documentfoundation.org, or
>> Anything new for this issue?
>
> This is why I'm writing that font analysis addition.
> Learning C++ isn't as simple as I expected.

Sorry i don't want to nag you.
Please, any efforts for you now to get a implementation and fix?

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