LibreOffice 6.0 and Notebookbar

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Mike Saunders Mike Saunders
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LibreOffice 6.0 and Notebookbar

Hello,

I see that there will be some new Notebookbar variants in LO 6.0:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/6.0#Notebookbar

Looking good! They're both marked as experimental, so I'm just wondering
if all Notebookbar layouts will also be experimental in 6.0. If any
become accessible to regular users, then it's something we can promote
in our marketing materials for the release. Thanks!

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Rosmaninho Rosmaninho
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Re: LibreOffice 6.0 and Notebookbar

Regarding the Notebookbar when will it be used by default in Libre Office?
I thought that with the 6.0 release Libre Office would change to a new
default UI or at least a new default icon set.

On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 9:35 AM, Mike Saunders <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I see that there will be some new Notebookbar variants in LO 6.0:
>
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/6.0#Notebookbar
>
> Looking good! They're both marked as experimental, so I'm just wondering
> if all Notebookbar layouts will also be experimental in 6.0. If any
> become accessible to regular users, then it's something we can promote
> in our marketing materials for the release. Thanks!
>
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> The Document Foundation
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kainz.a kainz.a
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Re: LibreOffice 6.0 and Notebookbar

Yes it would be very cool to have the notebookbar away from experimental.

In general there are some open bugs where most of them can be closed
during a google summer of code project. From the marketing point of view
we should bring the notebookbar to the user. As member of the design team
I would say let's go AFTER we can work together with a full time developer
for two weeks.

The following implementations can be finished for the 6.0 release
- tabbed toolbar
- tabbed toolbar compact
- groupedbar
- groupedbar compact

There wan't be no new icon theme, but the elementary icon theme
will get a full upgrade and 98% of the icons will be ready for the 6.0
release.
In addition we can promote the icon theme extension
where the community can submitt user specific icon themes.

I will talk with the designer of the Office 2013 icon theme
that it will be available as extension and ready for the 6.0 release.
So ideally we have the tabbed toolbar with Office 2013 icons.

That's my dream for LibreOffice 6.0 Mike.
I will work on the elementary icons and the notebookbar ui files,
for all applications. If you find a developer, the dream can become
true without my work in 2017 will be available only for experimental
users.

Cheers
Andreas_K

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Rosmaninho Rosmaninho
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Re: LibreOffice 6.0 and Notebookbar

I think that focusing on getting the Notebookbar ready for 6.0 should be a
top priority.
It's nice to know that a few toolbars are already designed for it. After
having it complete making Notebookbar implementations that emulate the
current toolbars that are not using the Notebookbar would also be a good
idea to fully transition to it eventually.

As for the Office 2013 icons not sure if those icons can be included in the
LO release. Won't they infringe on MSO look and feel?
Wasn't there was a survey where people preferred the Breeze icons as
default for the Windows release?
Maybe use the Breeze icon set by default for Windows? Because most users
like it and it almost has a native feel on Windows 10, Windows 8 and 8.1 -
which are the majority of Windows installations already. These three
versions of Windows account for over 50% of Windows installations (
http://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/windows/desktop/worldwide
,
https://www.windowslatest.com/2017/10/02/windows-10-still-steadily-increasing-terms-market-share/
).
It would logical to use an icon set that is adjusted to the UI of the
majority of Windows installations and that is preferred by the users.

The elementary icon set looks great in Linux installs though.


On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 10:42 AM, kainz.a <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Yes it would be very cool to have the notebookbar away from experimental.
>
> In general there are some open bugs where most of them can be closed
> during a google summer of code project. From the marketing point of view
> we should bring the notebookbar to the user. As member of the design team
> I would say let's go AFTER we can work together with a full time developer
> for two weeks.
>
> The following implementations can be finished for the 6.0 release
> - tabbed toolbar
> - tabbed toolbar compact
> - groupedbar
> - groupedbar compact
>
> There wan't be no new icon theme, but the elementary icon theme
> will get a full upgrade and 98% of the icons will be ready for the 6.0
> release.
> In addition we can promote the icon theme extension
> where the community can submitt user specific icon themes.
>
> I will talk with the designer of the Office 2013 icon theme
> that it will be available as extension and ready for the 6.0 release.
> So ideally we have the tabbed toolbar with Office 2013 icons.
>
> That's my dream for LibreOffice 6.0 Mike.
> I will work on the elementary icons and the notebookbar ui files,
> for all applications. If you find a developer, the dream can become
> true without my work in 2017 will be available only for experimental
> users.
>
> Cheers
> Andreas_K
>

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krackedpress krackedpress
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Re: LibreOffice 6.0 and Notebookbar


I like this smaller toolbar listed as

"New variant of Notebookbar - Tabbed Compact for Writer (experimental
feature) tdf#107237 (Andreas Kainz)"

I found that any more toolbars than is shown in my LO install, it does
not give me enough "text space" to use, unless I change the "default"
page view size - i.e. zoom out to see more of the page in the editing
"window".

http://libreoffice-na.us/menubar.jpg

In my opinion, I do not like the first two Notebookbar variants, for
that same reason.  Actually these remind me of the toolbars in Windows
10 file explorer and other Windows packages. I do not like Win10, but
forced to have in installed for some specialty software that has no
working replacement in Linux [so far]. Since these new Notebookbars
remind me of the ones in Windows, I see only one reason for them - have
toolbars/notebookbar similar to Window's [and MS Office] so it would be
an easier migration to LibreOffice. Otherwise it takes up too much of
the usable screen space.

On 11/23/2017 06:36 AM, Pedro Rosmaninho wrote:

> I think that focusing on getting the Notebookbar ready for 6.0 should be a
> top priority.
> It's nice to know that a few toolbars are already designed for it. After
> having it complete making Notebookbar implementations that emulate the
> current toolbars that are not using the Notebookbar would also be a good
> idea to fully transition to it eventually.
>
> As for the Office 2013 icons not sure if those icons can be included in the
> LO release. Won't they infringe on MSO look and feel?
> Wasn't there was a survey where people preferred the Breeze icons as
> default for the Windows release?
> Maybe use the Breeze icon set by default for Windows? Because most users
> like it and it almost has a native feel on Windows 10, Windows 8 and 8.1 -
> which are the majority of Windows installations already. These three
> versions of Windows account for over 50% of Windows installations (
> http://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/windows/desktop/worldwide
> ,
> https://www.windowslatest.com/2017/10/02/windows-10-still-steadily-increasing-terms-market-share/
> ).
> It would logical to use an icon set that is adjusted to the UI of the
> majority of Windows installations and that is preferred by the users.
>
> The elementary icon set looks great in Linux installs though.
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 10:42 AM, kainz.a <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Yes it would be very cool to have the notebookbar away from experimental.
>>
>> In general there are some open bugs where most of them can be closed
>> during a google summer of code project. From the marketing point of view
>> we should bring the notebookbar to the user. As member of the design team
>> I would say let's go AFTER we can work together with a full time developer
>> for two weeks.
>>
>> The following implementations can be finished for the 6.0 release
>> - tabbed toolbar
>> - tabbed toolbar compact
>> - groupedbar
>> - groupedbar compact
>>
>> There wan't be no new icon theme, but the elementary icon theme
>> will get a full upgrade and 98% of the icons will be ready for the 6.0
>> release.
>> In addition we can promote the icon theme extension
>> where the community can submitt user specific icon themes.
>>
>> I will talk with the designer of the Office 2013 icon theme
>> that it will be available as extension and ready for the 6.0 release.
>> So ideally we have the tabbed toolbar with Office 2013 icons.
>>
>> That's my dream for LibreOffice 6.0 Mike.
>> I will work on the elementary icons and the notebookbar ui files,
>> for all applications. If you find a developer, the dream can become
>> true without my work in 2017 will be available only for experimental
>> users.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Andreas_K
>>


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