LibreOffice in the Press -- Proposal

I would like to propose this:

That the "LibreOffice in the Press" entries be input into a Google
Calendar that could be read both on the wiki as well as on the website.
The location of the link on the website would be under the "About Us"
button next to the "Events Calendar" button.

This will serve the purpose of raising the profile of the "LibreOffice
in the Press" page; allow visitors to the website to better see our
mention in the press in a more visual way; the occasions where we record
LibreOffice in the press material will be listed in a calendar sort,
allowing visitors to better pick reading materials closer to a release
date where it really matters to them (we could make note on the calendar
of the different release dates as reference dates).

The present "LibreOffice in the Press" is really not being used for any
purpose other than the occasional dissection for marketing purposes.
This will raise its profile on our website and create more of a "buzz"
for the product. We could still pull data from this form of reporting
for marketing purposes.

How would the press clippings would be entered would be organized the
same way as the events calendar which is the marketing team members
would take care of the calendar management, and, we could ask for extra
help from members to admin the calendar (just as we did with the events
calendar).

Cheers,

Marc


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Hello Marc,

2012/6/9 Marc Paré <[hidden email]>



+1 from my side.

Thanks,

Charles.


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Hi :)
No-one would update it.  There are so many articles and things out there that it is easier just to do a google search if you need a list of articles. 

People who do get articles published have said they wouldn't want to update the wiki because they felt it would be inappropriate for them to promote their articles. 

Back when the page was created there was a need for it but now it's only really used as a historical record.  Now it would just absorb resources that would be better used elsewhere. 
Regards from
Tom :)


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From: Marc Paré <[hidden email]>
Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice in the Press -- Proposal
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, 9 June, 2012, 9:10

I would like to propose this:

That the "LibreOffice in the Press" entries be input into a Google Calendar that could be read both on the wiki as well as on the website. The location of the link on the website would be under the "About Us" button next to the "Events Calendar" button.

This will serve the purpose of raising the profile of the "LibreOffice in the Press" page; allow visitors to the website to better see our mention in the press in a more visual way; the occasions where we record LibreOffice in the press material will be listed in a calendar sort, allowing visitors to better pick reading materials closer to a release date where it really matters to them (we could make note on the calendar of the different release dates as reference dates).

The present "LibreOffice in the Press" is really not being used for any purpose other than the occasional dissection for marketing purposes. This will raise its profile on our website and create more of a "buzz" for the product. We could still pull data from this form of reporting for marketing purposes.

How would the press clippings would be entered would be organized the same way as the events calendar which is the marketing team members would take care of the calendar management, and, we could ask for extra help from members to admin the calendar (just as we did with the events calendar).

Cheers,

Marc


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Some people think they shouldn't self-promote their articles? How weird!

--Jean

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> People who do get articles published have said they wouldn't want to update the wiki because they felt it would be inappropriate for them to promote their articles.

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On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Marc Paré <[hidden email]> wrote:

+1
Jean

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Jean Weber schrieb, Am 09.06.2012 13:48:
+1
Heinz





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The more good press we can get into the hands of our potential business
users, the better.

If we make it easier for them to find and read all the good press, the
better.

I have not gone through the youtube videos, but if there are any videos
there that are "professionally done" it might be a good idea to make a
list of videos connected to the "About Us" page.  Potential users who
are not into seeing these youtube type of informational videos might
like the idea of a set of videos to click on to get info about LO and
TDF.  These videos would not be "how to use" type, but information about
the LO suite and why it would be a good idea to try it.

Press clippings and videos would help.


On 06/09/2012 07:48 AM, Jean Weber wrote:

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On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 10:13 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P
<[hidden email]> wrote:

+1 on this too.

Yes, it's more work for people to collect (and in some cases,
evaluate) press clips and videos, but some of us spot these things in
the course of our work and report on FB, Twitter, G+ anyway, so adding
to our own TDF/LO "in the press" list isn't that much extra work.

--Jean

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Hi :)
I know!  before getting involved i thought the idea of writing articles was to get information, ideas and/or opinions and thoughts "out there" as far and wide as possible. 

Now i seem to find that people publish articles in the press in order to try to keep them as secret and "unheard of" as possible. 

Doesn't make a lot of sense to me so i'm obviously missing some crucial piece of information.  Maybe the best way of getting people to erad something is to keep it secret and exclusive?  I dunno.  Still doesn't make any sense to me. 
Regards from
Tom :)



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Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice in the Press -- Proposal
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, 9 June, 2012, 12:47

Some people think they shouldn't self-promote their articles? How weird!

--Jean

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> People who do get articles published have said they wouldn't want to update the wiki because they felt it would be inappropriate for them to promote their articles.

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On 06/09/2012 04:10 AM, Marc Paré wrote:
> I would like to propose this:
>
> That the "LibreOffice in the Press" entries be input into a Google
Calendar that could be read both on the wiki as well as on the website.
The location of the link on the website would be under the "About Us"
button next to the "Events Calendar" button.
> [...]
> The present "LibreOffice in the Press" is really not being used for any
purpose other than the occasional dissection for marketing purposes.
This will raise its profile on our website and create more of a "buzz"
for the product. We could still pull data from this form of reporting
for marketing purposes.
[...]

+1, although with a nuance concerning using Google tools. The tasks at
hand and the tools required should be two different decisions here.

I agree we need a better way to share such resources but most
importantly, to welcome and encourage people to keep an eye on such
references and gather+curate them. Using a tool like Zotero -
http://www.zotero.org - we could help preserve and curate such content
while making it available to press & scholars (and the general public
too), and inviting them to contribute without requiring a Google
account. This would be specially useful to people preparing proposals,
studies and research for LibreOffice.. while using LibreOffice + Zotero
:D I am no expert with Zotero, but I know a few. I personally favored
using bookmarking tools (ala Delicious) like Semantic Scuttle because
that's what I knew best, but I am learning about Zotero to use it as I
see more potential there.

Zotero "is free, open source reference management software to manage
bibliographic data and related research materials (such as PDFs).
Notable features include web browser integration, online syncing,
generation of in-text citations, footnotes and bibliographies, as well
as integration with the word processors Microsoft Word, LibreOffice,
OpenOffice.org Writer and NeoOffice. It is produced by the Center for
History and New Media of George Mason University (GMU)." (from
Wikipedia). It's also another way students / researchers in academia are
discovering / using LibreOffice, increasingly.

Regarding Semantic Scuttle, see
http://l1bre.ca/l/bookmarks.php/magicfab/libreoffice+press for an
example - add "+en" to the query for English bookmarks only. Both Zotero
and Semantic Scuttle - http://semanticscuttle.sourceforge.net/ - are
similar in the service they'd provide to what Italo Vignoli did at some
point with Evernote: http://www.evernote.com/pub/italovignoli/lofrench -
which requires an account there, I believe :( Zotero and Semantic
Scuttle are also free, open source software which can be implemented on
TDF's own servers for mutual benefits.

When you think about this kind of approach it is very consistent with
the TDF mission and goals. Yes, it requires more effort & time but we
need to aim for this in addition to the easy / quick solutions first. In
fact Semantic Scuttle/Zotero can be used to feed other information sources.

I recently was hospitalized after a surgery that had some complications
so my time is limited for this during the next 4-8 weeks, but I am
gradually coming back to online  / FLOSS consulting activities. This
reminds me to focus a bit more on gathering such resources (press) in
either/both my Zotero/Semantic Scuttle accounts, so in a few more days I
may be able to better make my point and help more with this. If others
feel this makes sense we can work together, otherwise I am happy to
share my resources and compare results later on so the best decision can
take this forward.

Cheers,

Fabian Rodriguez
http://libreoffice.magicfab.ca

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Hi :)
This is the approach that does work.  People seem to respond to this approach and take more interest. 

1.  An updated listing of articles would require that people update the central instead of, or at the same time as tweeting it (or whatever).  This will not happen.  People are happy to tweet (or whateve) but not to update a wiki.  WIki's are too static and just not exciting enough for this sort of thing. 

2.  A listing would have to be promoted and given to people to view. 
a)  No-one would promote a static page like that.  It looks boring and dull when the reason for promoting it is to create energy
b)  People receiving a link like that would probably ignore it and do their own search on Bing because a a "testimoials" page from a company is bound to only express their company in a good-light so why bother even looking at it except just to laugh at obvious fanboy-isms?

Btw has anyone done a Bing search for LibreOffice?  Guess what is top of the list?  Compare to a google search. 

Regards from
Tom :) 


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 some of us spot these things in
the course of our work and report on FB, Twitter, G+ anyway, so adding
to our own TDF/LO "in the press" list isn't that much extra work.

--Jean


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Hi :)
This would be brilliant for organising YouTube videos, HowTos, conference videos, all that sort of thing.  Putting this level of work into that would be a real challenge and would result in something that all users would appreciate  AND would be a good thing to show-off in marketing. 
Regards from
Tom :) 


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From: Fabian Rodriguez <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LibreOffice in the Press -- Proposal
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, 9 June, 2012, 14:31


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On 06/09/2012 04:10 AM, Marc Paré wrote:
> I would like to propose this:
>
> That the "LibreOffice in the Press" entries be input into a Google
Calendar that could be read both on the wiki as well as on the website.
The location of the link on the website would be under the "About Us"
button next to the "Events Calendar" button.
> [...]
> The present "LibreOffice in the Press" is really not being used for any
purpose other than the occasional dissection for marketing purposes.
This will raise its profile on our website and create more of a "buzz"
for the product. We could still pull data from this form of reporting
for marketing purposes.
[...]

+1, although with a nuance concerning using Google tools. The tasks at
hand and the tools required should be two different decisions here.

I agree we need a better way to share such resources but most
importantly, to welcome and encourage people to keep an eye on such
references and gather+curate them. Using a tool like Zotero -
http://www.zotero.org - we could help preserve and curate such content
while making it available to press & scholars (and the general public
too), and inviting them to contribute without requiring a Google
account. This would be specially useful to people preparing proposals,
studies and research for LibreOffice.. while using LibreOffice + Zotero
:D I am no expert with Zotero, but I know a few. I personally favored
using bookmarking tools (ala Delicious) like Semantic Scuttle because
that's what I knew best, but I am learning about Zotero to use it as I
see more potential there.

Zotero "is free, open source reference management software to manage
bibliographic data and related research materials (such as PDFs).
Notable features include web browser integration, online syncing,
generation of in-text citations, footnotes and bibliographies, as well
as integration with the word processors Microsoft Word, LibreOffice,
OpenOffice.org Writer and NeoOffice. It is produced by the Center for
History and New Media of George Mason University (GMU)." (from
Wikipedia). It's also another way students / researchers in academia are
discovering / using LibreOffice, increasingly.

Regarding Semantic Scuttle, see
http://l1bre.ca/l/bookmarks.php/magicfab/libreoffice+press for an
example - add "+en" to the query for English bookmarks only. Both Zotero
and Semantic Scuttle - http://semanticscuttle.sourceforge.net/ - are
similar in the service they'd provide to what Italo Vignoli did at some
point with Evernote: http://www.evernote.com/pub/italovignoli/lofrench -
which requires an account there, I believe :( Zotero and Semantic
Scuttle are also free, open source software which can be implemented on
TDF's own servers for mutual benefits.

When you think about this kind of approach it is very consistent with
the TDF mission and goals. Yes, it requires more effort & time but we
need to aim for this in addition to the easy / quick solutions first. In
fact Semantic Scuttle/Zotero can be used to feed other information sources.

I recently was hospitalized after a surgery that had some complications
so my time is limited for this during the next 4-8 weeks, but I am
gradually coming back to online  / FLOSS consulting activities. This
reminds me to focus a bit more on gathering such resources (press) in
either/both my Zotero/Semantic Scuttle accounts, so in a few more days I
may be able to better make my point and help more with this. If others
feel this makes sense we can work together, otherwise I am happy to
share my resources and compare results later on so the best decision can
take this forward.

Cheers,

Fabian Rodriguez
http://libreoffice.magicfab.ca

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Hi Fabian

Le 2012-06-09 09:31, Fabian Rodriguez a écrit :
Sound good. I am all for seeing LibreOffice tools being used for any
work. It would be nice to see an example of this at work, just to see
how much of a learning curve our members would need to use such a system.

Maybe, in the meantime, we could set up a Google Calendar and if Zotero
(this seems to be the one that most academics are using with LibreOffice
-- just by the feedback I have read on many LibreOffice lists) could
take care of managing such a list as well as preserve/curate the list
works out, we could transition to it.

This would also go a great way to show the ability of the
LibreOffice+Zotero combo of doing more that just academic value usage.

If you have time later on, feel free to mount a "proof of concept" page
on the wiki so that we could see it at work.

Take time to heal! I am also on the mend from some life-changing
surgeries. Life is full of surprises.

Cheers,

Marc


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Hi everyone,

I'm taking the easy way out and responding to everyone on the list this way.

So, it sounds like there are no real disagreements on the concept other
than the time it would take for people to maintain such a calendar.

Here are my thoughts after reading all of the responses:

NOTE: I maintain the "Events Calendar" (found in the "About Us" section
of our website) and I really only spend, at the most, maybe 15 minutes a
week or two updating the calendar. I also cruise ALL of the EN lists;
the FR, ES users/discuss lists; DE discuss list -- for any mention of
any events that I may have missed. The BR-PT is very vocal about any
events happening in Brazil and the community participate very well on
our Marketing pages -- so there is no real need to monitor their list
(besides, my PT is awful).

So the time spent at keeping the "Events Calendar" is quite small. The
only worry I have is that Florian is the other admin (he is quite busy
with important TDF/LibreOffice work) and we should really have one more
member offer to help out -- one extra person would guarantee the
continuation of the Events calendar page should one of us drop out of
the admin role. Lift your hand up if you are interested! [*smile*]

* We should try to keep the admin of the "LibreOffice in the Press"
calendar down to the most basic common denominator for potential admins.
A great many users will have a G-Account and will have already seen/used
a G-Calendar. The learning curve is quite short and we really only need
about a total of 3-4 people to maintain the calendar; if it got busier,
then we could ask for more help. I also think that the marketing team
should take care of the admin/update of these calendar/pages, just as we
have undertaken with the "Events" calendar pages. I would, of course,
offer my help as an admin on the "LibreOffice in the Press" calendar page.

* The "LibreOffice in the Press" would be a calendar where our website
visitors click on a date->copy-paste a link to the original article
website (live links are not yet possible, but I believe Google is
working on making the links live in a later version).

Let's just say that, that particular area would be our "magazine rack"
of TDF/LibreOffice and not every single mention of TDF/LibreOffice would
be mentioned, but, some of the more important ones. If people think that
our choices are too one-sided on this calendar, then, they will
certainly let us know of it -- critics are always vocal.

* we should keep the admin as simple as possible to maximize the number
of potential helpers

Re: Fabian's proposal of a LibreOffice+Zotero combo to do the heavy
lifting: this does sound like quite a great suggestion. We should try to
set it up to see how much work this would involve as well as the
learning curve for admins. I personally would like to see a demo of it,
and maybe decide to use this method to upkeep the calendar page.

But ... in the meantime, we could just go ahead and set up the Google
Calendar for both wiki/Website. We can still keep the wiki "LibreOffice
in the Press" page[1] for others to update, and, the calendar version
admins could keep an eye on the page and update the calendar as changes
are made to the wiki page.

How does that sound?

Cheers,

Marc

[1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_In_The_Press


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Hi :)

Maybe change the name to

"LibreOffice Press Articles"



I still think that this sort of activity is a waste of time that would
be best spent on other things.  A couple of years ago it made sense. 
All of the people saying it's a good idea have made NO effort to update
or modify the existing page.  Whenever the marketing team has been
asked to contribute to the existing page it has resulted in NO effort
from anyone. 



Lots of people in the docs team about a year ago were keen for the docs
team to have a blog and many promised they would update it often. 



People like the sound of these sorts of things but never even bother to promote it or use it let alone contribute. 

Regards from

Tom :) 

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Subject: [libreoffice-marketing] Re: LibreOffice in the Press -- Proposal
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, 10 June, 2012, 1:04

Hi everyone,

I'm taking the easy way out and responding to everyone on the list this way.

So, it sounds like there are no real disagreements on the concept other than the time it would take for people to maintain such a calendar.

Here are my thoughts after reading all of the responses:

NOTE: I maintain the "Events Calendar" (found in the "About Us" section of our website) and I really only spend, at the most, maybe 15 minutes a week or two updating the calendar. I also cruise ALL of the EN lists; the FR, ES users/discuss lists; DE discuss list -- for any mention of any events that I may have missed. The BR-PT is very vocal about any events happening in Brazil and the community participate very well on our Marketing pages -- so there is no real need to monitor their list (besides, my PT is awful).

So the time spent at keeping the "Events Calendar" is quite small. The only worry I have is that Florian is the other admin (he is quite busy with important TDF/LibreOffice work) and we should really have one more member offer to help out -- one extra person would guarantee the continuation of the Events calendar page should one of us drop out of the admin role. Lift your hand up if you are interested! [*smile*]

* We should try to keep the admin of the "LibreOffice in the Press" calendar down to the most basic common denominator for potential admins. A great many users will have a G-Account and will have already seen/used a G-Calendar. The learning curve is quite short and we really only need about a total of 3-4 people to maintain the calendar; if it got busier, then we could ask for more help. I also think that the marketing team should take care of the admin/update of these calendar/pages, just as we have undertaken with the "Events" calendar pages. I would, of course, offer my help as an admin on the "LibreOffice in the Press" calendar page.

* The "LibreOffice in the Press" would be a calendar where our website visitors click on a date->copy-paste a link to the original article website (live links are not yet possible, but I believe Google is working on making the links live in a later version).

Let's just say that, that particular area would be our "magazine rack" of TDF/LibreOffice and not every single mention of TDF/LibreOffice would be mentioned, but, some of the more important ones. If people think that our choices are too one-sided on this calendar, then, they will certainly let us know of it -- critics are always vocal.

* we should keep the admin as simple as possible to maximize the number of potential helpers

Re: Fabian's proposal of a LibreOffice+Zotero combo to do the heavy lifting: this does sound like quite a great suggestion. We should try to set it up to see how much work this would involve as well as the learning curve for admins. I personally would like to see a demo of it, and maybe decide to use this method to upkeep the calendar page.

But ... in the meantime, we could just go ahead and set up the Google Calendar for both wiki/Website. We can still keep the wiki "LibreOffice in the Press" page[1] for others to update, and, the calendar version admins could keep an eye on the page and update the calendar as changes are made to the wiki page.

How does that sound?

Cheers,

Marc

[1] http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice_In_The_Press


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Hi Tom,

Le 2012-06-09 20:33, Tom Davies a écrit :
I have often been accused of being the "eternal optimist" \o/.

Let's give it a try, it only takes 3-4 people to make it work and about
15 minutes per week if even that. I will start it off and keep the
calendar page updated. :-)

Name change sounds good!

Cheers,

Marc


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Hello Marc,

Le dimanche 10 juin 2012 à 01:05 -0400, Marc Paré a écrit :

Don't count me on the team, I'm really busy these days (and getting
married on top of all the rest), but I think it's a great idea.  Go for
it!

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>> Let's give it a try, it only takes 3-4 people to make it work and about
>> 15 minutes per week if even that. I will start it off and keep the
>> calendar page updated. :-)

Hi Marc, I am updating quite regularly the following page:
http://www.scoop.it/t/tdf

You can find several articles there, althoug I do not have the time to
do more than that

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On Sun, 2012-06-10 at 14:11 +0200, Italo Vignoli wrote:
> >> Let's give it a try, it only takes 3-4 people to make it work and about
> >> 15 minutes per week if even that. I will start it off and keep the
> >> calendar page updated. :-)
>
> Hi Marc, I am updating quite regularly the following page:
> http://www.scoop.it/t/tdf
>
> You can find several articles there, althoug I do not have the time to
> do more than that

Hi Italo,

You do a really fine job with the scoop service, not to mention helping
generate the content..

On your blog:
http://www.italovignoli.org/2012/06/tdf-infographics-may-2012/

the scoop TDF is embedded, looking at the actual TDF page at scoop I can
see how to share it on a per post basis with fb and g+ but not an option
to embed it in a player, such as your blog. I think it would be very
good if that embedded player could be made available for other
supporters sites, perhaps somewhere in the official web site(s) also.

Anyway - thought I'd ask.

Best,

//drew


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drew jensen wrote:

> Anyway - thought I'd ask.

Here you are.

<iframe
src="http://www.scoop.it/t/tdf/js?format=square&amp;numberOfPosts=3&amp;title=TDF&amp;speed=3&amp;mode=normal&amp;width=300"
frameborder="0" height="250" align="middle" scrolling="no"
width="300"></iframe>

This is the default configuration, with posts=3, speed=3, width=300.

I can produce the <iframe> code for any configuration, upon request, but
unfortunately I cannot give access to the management console as this is
a personal account (I am a beta tester of scoop.it).

Best, Italo

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