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Michael Meeks-2 |
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+ Bjoern, Eike, Mitch, Stephan, Markus, Michael, Norbert, Cedric, Thorsten, Andras, Mirek, Petr, Kendy, Caolan, Michael S * Completed Action Items + Late feature reviews (Kendy, Astron, Eike, Markus) + icons: send out some mail addresses to poke (Astron) + post on-line update numbers for 3.6 testers (Kendy) + 600 on-line B1 / updaters registered + promote B2 a bit more ... * Pending Action Items + [pending] merge the new pretty templates in place of the old ugly ones (Bjoern) + new problems shown up with this - + Caolan has tool for templates to strip lang tags so it works AI: + try template lang tag stripping tool (Bjoern) + need to fix & merge for Beta3 + icons: poke Tango authors (Michael) * Release Engineering update (Petr) + problems with scripts & new version numbering scheme + hopefully it will survive the test of time + 3.6 / Beta 2 status + builds went well + eager for templates in B3 (last beta + hard string freeze), RC1 in a week + pushing to mirrors as we speak + misc. download script hackery ongoing + 3.5.5 RC2 / deadline next Monday + thanks for tripple reviews for RC2 * GSOC update (Cedric) + mid-terms in three weeks - July 13th; students need to get code included and merged to master for then. * UI / design update (Mirek) + windows menubars support / look + poll up yesterday - transparent vs. opaque vs. 50% + people seem to want it opaque + kendy working on it but happy whatever decision needed soon; on vacation July onwards AI: + revert to an opaque background (Kendy) + splash screen proposals still pending for one week: + submissions welcome: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Playground/Splash_screen + new templates AA + check new templates are using auto-fitting functionality (Thorsten) * re-basing update (Michael) + 14k of 45k files complete - ~30% * gerrit (Bjoern) + idiots guide to using it (for Meeks) + https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/gerrit + need more people to test & accelerate it's deployment + some workflows in the wiki are harder than necessarily + when gerrit owns git - no problem. => Major contributors need to log into gerrit so Norbert can give you permissions AI: + https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/ - click 'register' (All hackers) AI: + then poke Norbert by E-mail to get yourself setup a commiter / reviewer + the E-mail used for openID registration and user-account on is needed (cf. core/.git/config) + separate group of ACL's for merges / tagging + thanks for working on it (Kendy) + and for the FAQ: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2012-June/033872.html + are we able to continue using git as before ? (Kendy) + yes; people not forced to a new workflow. + if we get it right, people should never feel anything much changed - except the host to push/pull to. + -modulo- that every committer will need a gerrit account in due course before we switch to gerrit owning the git repo + one-day, not before end of July (Norbert) - fdo will become a read-only mirror of gerrit - we already have a special user setup to do this sync. + who has used gerrit ? (Michael) + 24 accounts setup already, but more may have registered AI: + notify all committers when we have a nice simple, minimal statement of what is required written (Bjoern) + concerns about loss of patches (Caolan) + see how it plays out + how can we integrate it well with mail ? (Bjoern) + a daily digest of gerrit commits to dev. list ? (Michael) + send everything to the list to start with & throttle if needed (Kendy) + we have a separate commits list today (Norbert) + start not too much traffic as people use it (Bjoern) + at the end of the day - people still need to do the reviews (Petr) + gerrit has a nice query language: http://gerrit.googlecode.com/svn/documentation/2.2.1/user-search.html + who can help out if you have problems ? Name (IRC nick) + Bjoern (Sweetshark), Norbert (shm_get), David Ostrovsky (_david_) * QA update (Bjoern) + nice new bug flow diagram in progress from Joel + ideas on getting more 3.6 testers deferred until next time + new guys are doing great work triaging bugs + gives us more MABs - and also better interactive visibility of live issues. * 3.5 most annoying bugs ... + 72 open (of 238) older 68/231 67/229 67/226 62/219 60/213 67/211 68/205 71/205 30% 29% 29% 30% 28% 28% 32% 33% 35% + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=37361&hide_resolved=1 * 3.6 most annoying bugs ... + 5 open (of 21) older 3/19 4/15 8/13 24% 16% 27% 62% + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=44446&hide_resolved=1 * 3.5 bugs tagged with 'regression' + 179(+12) bugs open of 631(+17) total + Started to double-count more classes of regression, to split them out more easily: Crashes, Borders, Migration + temporarily distorts graphs + encourages fixing of these bugs * Component count net * + Writer - 66 (-1) + Spreadsheet - 23 (+5) + Presentation - 18 (+0) + LibreOffice - 16 (+1) + Borders - 11 (-1) + Crashes - 15 (+3) + Drawing - 12 (+2) + Writer / RTF - 8 (+2) + Database - 6 (-1) + Basic - 2 (+0) + Migration - 4 (-3) + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764 + Migration tracker: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=43489 -- [hidden email] <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot _______________________________________________ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: [hidden email] Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ |
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Caolán McNamara |
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On Thu, 2012-06-21 at 16:55 +0100, Michael Meeks wrote:
> + Caolan has tool for templates to strip lang tags so it works > AI: + try template lang tag stripping tool (Bjoern) FWIW when I read the thread, I was reminded of https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32897 which sounded a bit like the same problem. *If* it is the same problem then solenv/bin/striplanguagetags.sh is a script to fix it. i.e. it takes as input a .zip of .odX files, unpacks the .zip and unpacks each .odX, strips out their language/country tags from their styles.xml so that they are forced to fallback to the current default language when loaded by LibreOffice, and repacks each .odX and then repack the .zip. Might be a red herring. C. _______________________________________________ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: [hidden email] Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ |
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Hi,
Michael Meeks wrote (21-06-12 17:55) > * 3.5 bugs tagged with 'regression' > + 179(+12) bugs open of 631(+17) total > [...] Just taking a quick look at issues from the query below, I would suggest to skip mentioning numbers. There is pollution with old issues, regressions in new functions, minor-if at all issues .. The query is very useful to track and look at the reports. But the number gives a wrong idea of quality. It only shows there's a lot QA /triage work pending. And that was not really news ;-) (Might well be that the same applies for other numbers..) > + https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?keywords=regression%2C%20&keywords_type=allwords&resolution=---&query_format=advanced&product=LibreOffice&list_id=36764 Cheers, -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org _______________________________________________ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: [hidden email] Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ |
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Rainer Bielefeld-2 |
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Cor Nouws schrieb:
> Just taking a quick look at issues from the query below, I would suggest > to skip mentioning numbers. There is pollution with old issues, Hi, may be! > The query is very useful to track and look at the reports. But the > number gives a wrong idea of quality. But consider that there still are lots of unreviewed bugs what might get a "regression" keyword in future. > It only shows there's a lot QA > /triage work pending. That's true! Best regards Rainer _______________________________________________ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: [hidden email] Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ |
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Michael Meeks-2 |
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In reply to this post by Cor Nouws
Hi Cor,
On Sun, 2012-06-24 at 23:23 +0200, Cor Nouws wrote: > Michael Meeks wrote (21-06-12 17:55) > > * 3.5 bugs tagged with 'regression' > > + 179(+12) bugs open of 631(+17) total > > [...] > > Just taking a quick look at issues from the query below, I would suggest > to skip mentioning numbers. There is pollution with old issues, > regressions in new functions, minor-if at all issues .. Sure - and there is double counting of some issues - as I point out in the numbers - which gives a misleading spike recently. Furthermore, an increase in the apparent number of regressions may be related to an increase in QA activity categorising and triaging bugs :-) and thus totally un-related to any underlying improvement / degradation in real quality. > The query is very useful to track and look at the reports. But the > number gives a wrong idea of quality. It only shows there's a lot QA > /triage work pending. And that was not really news ;-) > (Might well be that the same applies for other numbers..) True; OTOH, this is not a news headline, it is a motivational set of numbers that are designed to try to encourage people to shrink the numbers. Already (IMHO) they have helped to improve our component categorisation (the writer guys got sick of being blamed for all common / core code bugs), and (I hope) also encouraged people to work on getting the numbers down. The hope is that by double counting crashers eg. we encourage people to focus first on those. So - the numbers are by no means perfect, but hopefully they serve a useful purpose and show at least something of our QA activity, and developer / bug-fixing work. The overall graphs I produce also show bugs fixed, where you can see (from the growing separation of the 'open' and 'closed' trends) that we are fixing more most annoying & regression bugs over time, and particularly Most Annoying Bugs :-) At least, that's my thinking :-) do you have some better insights ? All the best, Michael. -- [hidden email] <><, Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot _______________________________________________ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: [hidden email] Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ |
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Bjoern Michaelsen |
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In reply to this post by Michael Meeks-2
Hi all,
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 04:55:11PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote: > + send everything to the list to start > with & throttle if needed (Kendy) this is now in place, the friendly gerritbot: https://launchpad.net/~r-gerrit-0 now has cozy home on the gerrit machine itself. It has a watch on all changes to the core repo and forwards the changes to the dev-mailinglist (polling its inbox every 5 minutes). Also I moved the freedesktop to gerrit sync there, its leaner bandwidth wise, than me having the bot here locally and also more fault resistant (as my router didnt cope with the heat over the weekend and was down, so was the sync). So whenever you do something on gerrit now, the developer mailing-list should get notified (after 5 minutes max.). Best, Bjoern _______________________________________________ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: [hidden email] Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ |
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Noel Grandin |
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HI
It would be nice if the gerrit emails had this in the header: To: [hidden email], SO that my mailing list filters picked it up as belonging to the libreoffice mailing list. Thanks, Noel Grandin On 2012-07-04 14:38, Bjoern Michaelsen wrote: > So whenever you do something on gerrit now, the developer mailing-list > should get notified (after 5 minutes max.). Disclaimer: http://www.peralex.com/disclaimer.html _______________________________________________ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: [hidden email] Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ |
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Bjoern Michaelsen |
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Hi Noel,
On Wed, Jul 04, 2012 at 05:04:01PM +0200, Noel Grandin wrote: > It would be nice if the gerrit emails had this in the header: > > To: [hidden email], > > SO that my mailing list filters picked it up as belonging to the libreoffice mailing list. yes, I saw that -- I naively assumed procmail to do some fixup there too. For now, you should be able to evade this by filtering on the List-Id: Header (which is a good idea in general anyway). Best, Bjoern _______________________________________________ List Name: Libreoffice-qa mailing list Mail address: [hidden email] Change settings: http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-qa Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/ |
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