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            Bug ID: 90244
           Summary: SIDEBAR: Enhancing Navigator in Draw
           Product: LibreOffice
           Version: 4.5.0.0.alpha0+ Master
          Hardware: Other
                OS: All
            Status: UNCONFIRMED
          Severity: enhancement
          Priority: medium
         Component: ux-advise
          Assignee: [hidden email]
          Reporter: [hidden email]
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            Blocks: 65138

Created attachment 114362
  --> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/attachment.cgi?id=114362&action=edit
mockup

Navigator in Draw can be a very useful tool but it needs to be displayed either
within the properties tab or within all tabs, as it will provide an overview of
the pages and objects within a document as well as management of them.

In order to improve navigator so that i provides such features, improvements
need to be made to its functionality.

1) Mouse Interaction - Single clicking on an page/slide, group, or object
should select it. Drag and drop of slide/page to change its order and drag and
drop of an object/group to change the layer arrangement on a page.

2) Mouse Context Menu - Right-clicking on an entry with the navigator should
provide the options to rename, duplicate, delete, and ungroup.

3) Property Icons - Each page and object will have easy access to hide and show
with the clicking of an eye icon within the entry row. Each object will have
easy access to lock its position by clicking on a lock within the entry row.

4) Button Toolbar - The current arrangement of buttons can be removed and
replace with management buttons for New Page, Duplicate, Delete, Move Top, Move
Up, Move Down, Move Bottom.

5) Automatic Names - Newly inserted objects should be given a permanent name
rather than a temporary one which can change. (bug 90243)

6) Correct Labels and Icons - A page is name slide, group is named shape,
textbox is named shape, etc. Also wrong icons are used with group and textbox
and likely others. (bug 90242)

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--- Comment #1 from Jay Philips <[hidden email]> ---
Correction - Bug 90243 was supposed to be bug 90241

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--- Comment #2 from Tomaz Vajngerl <[hidden email]> ---
Why not add layers into navigator too?

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--- Comment #3 from Jay Philips <[hidden email]> ---
(In reply to Tomaz Vajngerl from comment #2)
> Why not add layers into navigator too?

The shapes are layers. :D

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--- Comment #4 from Jay Philips <[hidden email]> ---
7) When a page/shape/object is inserted, it should select that entry after
refreshing the list.

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--- Comment #5 from Regina Henschel <[hidden email]> ---
(In reply to Jay Philips from comment #0)
> Created attachment 114362 [details]
> mockup
>
> Navigator in Draw can be a very useful tool but it needs to be displayed
> either within the properties tab or within all tabs, as it will provide an
> overview of the pages and objects within a document as well as management of
> them.

Or allow the user to detach it from the sidebar. Such way friends of a separate
Navigator are pleased as well. The property pane is already so full, that there
is not enough place for the tree view of the navigator.

>
> In order to improve navigator so that i provides such features, improvements
> need to be made to its functionality.
>
> 1) Mouse Interaction - Single clicking on an page/slide, group, or object
> should select it.

Why change it? Now it is Double-click or Enter, I see no problem with that.

 Drag and drop of slide/page to change its order and drag
> and drop of an object/group to change the layer arrangement on a page.

In the standalone Navigator dragging inside the tree view changed the index
order for traversing the objects via tab key. This functionality is lost in the
Navigtor in the sidebar. With disabling the standalone Navigator this missing
feature becomes a bug. This feature needs to be restored. Perhaps you need to
specify a modifier for movement. In addition the feature needs shortcut keys
for accessibilty without mouse.

>
> 2) Mouse Context Menu - Right-clicking on an entry with the navigator should
> provide the options to rename, duplicate, delete, and ungroup.

That needs an object dependent specification. For example an OLE object should
have an "Edit" item. In regard of context menu the three types of Navigator
(Writer, Calc, Draw/Impress, ) should become more consistent.

>
> 3) Property Icons - Each page and object will have easy access to hide and
> show with the clicking of an eye icon within the entry row. Each object will
> have easy access to lock its position by clicking on a lock within the entry
> row.

Such icons need to be accessible without mouse. You need to specify that.
Simple arrow key will not work, because they are used for the tree view.

Beside of that, I think, that making the Navigator of Draw more like the Object
Manager of Corel Draw is a good idea.

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--- Comment #6 from Jay Philips <[hidden email]> ---
(In reply to Tomaz Vajngerl from comment #2)
> Why not add layers into navigator too?

Excuse my ignorance, i didnt know that the bar containing layout, controls, and
dimension lines was layers. :D

The problem i see with using layers in the navigator is that you can have some
objects in a layer that are above or below another layer, so then how would you
show it in the navigator. Lets take this as an example without layers.

+ Page 1
  Shape 2
  Shape 1
  Shape 3

And with Shape 2 and Shape 3 being on the Controls layer, it would show up like
this

+ Page 1
  + Layout
    Shape 1
  + Controls
    Shape 2
    Shape 3

And doing it like this wouldnt be an option.

+ Page 1
  + Controls
    Shape 2
  + Layout
    Shape 1
  + Controls
    Shape 3

To solve the layering issue, i believe we can add the layer name after the
objects name, like so - Shape 2 (Controls) - or alternatively we can do
something like this.

+ Page 1
  + Layers
    Layout
    Controls
    Dimension Lines
  + Objects
    Shape 2 (Controls)
    Shape 1 (Layout)
    Shape 3 (Controls)

With layer entries in the navigator, we could provide layer context menu
modification options like rename, visible, locked, and printable, as well as
visible and locked buttons in the control.

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--- Comment #7 from Jay Philips <[hidden email]> ---
(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #5)
> Or allow the user to detach it from the sidebar. Such way friends of a
> separate Navigator are pleased as well. The property pane is already so
> full, that there is not enough place for the tree view of the navigator.

For users who want it detached, they have F5 to open it up in that manner. I
guess when code is in to detached sidebar tabs (bug 85905), then doing so for
the navigator would be included.

> > 1) Mouse Interaction - Single clicking on an page/slide, group, or object
> > should select it.
>
> Why change it? Now it is Double-click or Enter, I see no problem with that.

Currently if you double-click a page, it expands/contracts it and if you
double-click an object, the object doesnt show that its selected (meaning the
resize squares dont appear)

> >  Drag and drop of slide/page to change its order and drag
> > and drop of an object/group to change the layer arrangement on a page.
>
> In the standalone Navigator dragging inside the tree view changed the index
> order for traversing the objects via tab key. This functionality is lost in
> the Navigtor in the sidebar. With disabling the standalone Navigator this
> missing feature becomes a bug. This feature needs to be restored. Perhaps
> you need to specify a modifier for movement. In addition the feature needs
> shortcut keys for accessibilty without mouse.

Seem this functionality is broken in 4.4 and master.

> > 2) Mouse Context Menu - Right-clicking on an entry with the navigator should
> > provide the options to rename, duplicate, delete, and ungroup.
>
> That needs an object dependent specification. For example an OLE object
> should have an "Edit" item. In regard of context menu the three types of
> Navigator (Writer, Calc, Draw/Impress, ) should become more consistent.

Yes additional context menu entries would be added if applicable. Yes it would
be ideal for them to have unified behaviours.

> > 3) Property Icons - Each page and object will have easy access to hide and
> > show with the clicking of an eye icon within the entry row. Each object will
> > have easy access to lock its position by clicking on a lock within the entry
> > row.
>
> Such icons need to be accessible without mouse. You need to specify that.
> Simple arrow key will not work, because they are used for the tree view.

It would be available in the context menu. GIMP uses spacebar to show/hide a
layer.

> Beside of that, I think, that making the Navigator of Draw more like the
> Object Manager of Corel Draw is a good idea.

Yes using corel draw's object manager as a reference is a good idea, which i
did lockup at when creating the mockup, though most of the reference came from
my usage of gimp and photoshop.

Corel Draw's Object Manager -
http://www.hizliprogramindir.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/corel-draw-2.jpg

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--- Comment #8 from Regina Henschel <[hidden email]> ---
(In reply to Jay Philips from comment #7)

> (In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #5)
>
> > > 1) Mouse Interaction - Single clicking on an page/slide, group, or object
> > > should select it.
> >
> > Why change it? Now it is Double-click or Enter, I see no problem with that.
>
> Currently if you double-click a page, it expands/contracts it and if you
> double-click an object, the object doesnt show that its selected (meaning
> the resize squares dont appear)

Please try it with a _named_ object. This feature has been missing for unnamed
objects since implementing, that unnamed shapes can be shown in the Navigator.
It is inherited from OOo, https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=96488

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--- Comment #9 from Regina Henschel <[hidden email]> ---
(In reply to Jay Philips from comment #6)
> (In reply to Tomaz Vajngerl from comment #2)
> > Why not add layers into navigator too?
> The problem i see with using layers in the navigator is that you can have
> some objects in a layer that are above or below another layer, so then how
> would you show it in the navigator. Lets take this as an example without
> layers.

Currently the Navigator does not show any "above" or "below", but shows the
order in which you go through the shapes using the tab key. That might
correspond to the stack (z-order), but need not. This navigation order
corresponds to the attribute "draw:nav-order" in file format. Save to flat
format to examine and change it. The stack-order is given by the attribute
"draw:z-index" in file format, or in case it is missing by the order in which
the shapes are arranged in the file, which the later ones are in front of the
earlier ones. Currently the UI for setting "draw:nav-order" is broken. And in
case of reading files without "draw:z-index", the document order is not kept in
case of layer "Controls".

>
> + Page 1
>   Shape 2
>   Shape 1
>   Shape 3
>
> And with Shape 2 and Shape 3 being on the Controls layer, it would show up
> like this
>
> + Page 1
>   + Layout
>     Shape 1
>   + Controls
>     Shape 2
>     Shape 3
>

I agree, with a pure layer tree neither "nav-order" nor "z-index" would be
visible in the Navigator.

> And doing it like this wouldnt be an option.
>
> + Page 1
>   + Controls
>     Shape 2
>   + Layout
>     Shape 1
>   + Controls
>     Shape 3
>

You are right. Showing the "nav-order" this way, would make it difficult to
handle the layers.

> To solve the layering issue, i believe we can add the layer name after the
> objects name, like so - Shape 2 (Controls)

In consequence you would still need the layer tabs at the bottom of the page,
which would not be bad for me.

 - or alternatively we can do

> something like this.
>
> + Page 1
>   + Layers
>     Layout
>     Controls
>     Dimension Lines
>   + Objects
>     Shape 2 (Controls)
>     Shape 1 (Layout)
>     Shape 3 (Controls)
>
> With layer entries in the navigator, we could provide layer context menu
> modification options like rename, visible, locked, and printable, as well as
> visible and locked buttons in the control.

Getting the actions via context menu is not better than currently. For an
enhancement a short click/select option is needed. Currently shift-click on a
layer tab toggles visibility. (I wish to have ctrl-click to toggle protection
in addition.) Such easy access would be necessary for the Navigator too.

I do not know, whether users would like it, if the layer tabs are removed. I'm
used to them over more than 15 years now, and want them to be kept.

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> The problem i see with using layers in the navigator is that you can have
> some objects in a layer that are above or below another layer, so then how
> would you show it in the navigator.

Layers are part of z-order (or they at least should be), so this should not be
possible (if we want to show the z-order in navigator). "Layout" layer objects
are always below "Controls" layer objects.

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Created attachment 114506
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sample file

Though i didnt explicitly mention it, but thought it would be understood with
the 'drag and drop of an object/group to change the layer arrangement' in point
1 and the 'Move Top, Move Up, Move Down, Move Bottom' mentioned in point 4.

8) Object Order - Objects in the tree list will be sorted based on their
arrangement position in the document.

(In reply to Regina Henschel from comment #9)

> Currently the Navigator does not show any "above" or "below", but shows the
> order in which you go through the shapes using the tab key. That might
> correspond to the stack (z-order), but need not. This navigation order
> corresponds to the attribute "draw:nav-order" in file format. Save to flat
> format to examine and change it. The stack-order is given by the attribute
> "draw:z-index" in file format, or in case it is missing by the order in
> which the shapes are arranged in the file, which the later ones are in front
> of the earlier ones. Currently the UI for setting "draw:nav-order" is
> broken. And in case of reading files without "draw:z-index", the document
> order is not kept in case of layer "Controls".

Tried saving to fodg and there wasnt any "draw:nav-order" or "draw:z-index"
entries.

> > With layer entries in the navigator, we could provide layer context menu
> > modification options like rename, visible, locked, and printable, as well as
> > visible and locked buttons in the control.
>
> Getting the actions via context menu is not better than currently. For an
> enhancement a short click/select option is needed. Currently shift-click on
> a layer tab toggles visibility. (I wish to have ctrl-click to toggle
> protection in addition.)

Would have to disagree, as most people would never easily discover shift-click
(me included).

> Such easy access would be necessary for the Navigator too.

I had mentioned easy access to it with "as well as visible and locked buttons
in the control."

> I do not know, whether users would like it, if the layer tabs are removed.
> I'm used to them over more than 15 years now, and want them to be kept.

I dont believe they need to be removed, but think they should be hidden by
default (bug 90320).

(In reply to Tomaz Vajngerl from comment #10)
> Layers are part of z-order (or they at least should be), so this should not
> be possible (if we want to show the z-order in navigator). "Layout" layer
> objects are always below "Controls" layer objects.

I was using the "Controls" layer as an example, but see that "Controls" always
comes above all other layers, but this behaviour is available in other layers
as shown in the attached sample odg.

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Created attachment 114512
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File with draw:nav-order and draw:z-index

On layer Layout are the objects 'red', 'blue', 'yellow', on layer Layer4 is
object 'magenta', and on layer Controls is object 'green'.

To see the settings in the file unpack it and look into the content.xml.

Using the tab key, you should get the order: red blue green yellow magenta. The
tab key order is given by the attribute draw:nav-order, which is an attribute
of the page.

The rendering order from back to front is given by the attribute draw:z-index
of the individual drawing objects. This attribute will be removed, when saving
by LibreOffice or Apache OpenOffice.

The z-order stack should be according to ODF: (back) blue yellow magenta green
red (front)
But because of the special handling of Controls-layer you will get: (back) blue
yellow magenta red green (front)

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90244] SIDEBAR: Enhancing Navigator in Draw

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[Libreoffice-ux-advise] [Bug 90244] SIDEBAR: Enhancing Navigator in Draw

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https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90244

Yousuf (Jay) Philips <[hidden email]> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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           See Also|                            |https://bugs.documentfounda
                   |                            |tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90
                   |                            |277,
                   |                            |https://bugs.documentfounda
                   |                            |tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90
                   |                            |241

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In reply to this post by bugzilla-daemon-2
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90244

Yousuf (Jay) Philips <[hidden email]> changed:

           What    |Removed                     |Added
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           See Also|https://bugs.documentfounda |
                   |tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90 |
                   |277,                        |
                   |https://bugs.documentfounda |
                   |tion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=90 |
                   |241                         |

--- Comment #13 from Yousuf (Jay) Philips <[hidden email]> ---
sorry they are already in the depends on field. :D

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