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Hi guys,

        I was surprised to see this come across my inbox:

https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/faq/general-faq/are-there-any-plans-for-a-new-gui/

        AFAIK Citrus is one of many mockups / ideas for changing the UI, but
(as of yet) is one of many, and has no developers working on it (that I
know of).

        Is there a more helpful text that points people towards the design
process / pages for improving our UI in incremental ways, and/or any
ideas of a better blurb to put on that page that stresses incrementalism
over big-bang re-designs :-) ?

        Or am I just out of date ? :-)

        Thanks,

                Michael.

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Hi,

afaik there is no agreement on any future UI concept. Or am I wrong here?

So we should not prompise anything that most likely won't happen... So imho
this FAQ should be removed.

Cheers,
Björn

Am Freitag, 13. Juli 2012, 15:17:28 schrieb Michael Meeks:

> Hi guys,
>
> I was surprised to see this come across my inbox:
>
> https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/faq/general-faq/are-there-any-plans-for
> -a-new-gui/
>
> AFAIK Citrus is one of many mockups / ideas for changing the UI, but
> (as of yet) is one of many, and has no developers working on it (that I
> know of).
>
> Is there a more helpful text that points people towards the design
> process / pages for improving our UI in incremental ways, and/or any
> ideas of a better blurb to put on that page that stresses incrementalism
> over big-bang re-designs :-) ?
>
> Or am I just out of date ? :-)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael.
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Hi Michael,
Sorry for not replying sooner.

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Michael Meeks <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi guys,

        I was surprised to see this come across my inbox:

https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/faq/general-faq/are-there-any-plans-for-a-new-gui/

        AFAIK Citrus is one of many mockups / ideas for changing the UI, but
(as of yet) is one of many, and has no developers working on it (that I
know of).

Right. 

        Is there a more helpful text that points people towards the design
process / pages for improving our UI in incremental ways, and/or any
ideas of a better blurb to put on that page that stresses incrementalism
over big-bang re-designs :-) ?

Off the top of my head:

LibreOffice's GUI will change incrementally, improving usability of one feature at a time. A "big-bang" GUI rework of all modules would require a much larger developer community and would likely cause more problems than it would solve.

LibreOffice is almost certainly going to stick to a menu-and-toolbar GUI, which is ubiquitous across desktop operating systems. On mobile operating systems such as Android, LibreOffice will adopt a toolbar-based interface but will strive to be consistent with its desktop counterpart.

If you'd like to see the GUI projects that are being worked on and perhaps help out, visit the LibreOffice Design wiki.

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Hi,

wanted to answer before... but didn't send the mail.
> LibreOffice's GUI will change incrementally, improving usability of one
> feature at a time. A "big-bang" GUI rework of all modules would require a
> much larger developer community and would likely cause more problems than it
> would solve.
>
> LibreOffice is almost certainly going to stick to a menu-and-toolbar GUI,
> which is ubiquitous across desktop operating systems. On mobile operating
> systems such as Android, LibreOffice will adopt a toolbar-based interface
> but will strive to be consistent with its desktop counterpart.

Anyway, here's the text I wanted to propose:
"We are revising and improving LibreOffice's interface in small ways
with every version. You can see some of our progress in the release
notes for <a>LibreOffice 3.3</a>, <a>3.4</a>, <a>3.5</a> and <a>3.6</a>.
The Design Team's <a
href="http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards">Whiteboards
section</a> in our wiki contains more information on planned
improvements.
A number of ideas to improve the interface in a big way exist, however,
they are usually not yet mature enough to be implementable. It is important
to note that such ideas generally need to be split up into
several smaller chunks to better to better fit LibreOffice's development
style."

Astron.
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On Tue, 2012-07-17 at 17:59 +0200, Stefan Knorr (Astron) wrote:
> Anyway, here's the text I wanted to propose:

        I just dumped it across:

https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/faq/general-faq/are-there-any-plans-for-a-new-gui/

        Thanks ! :-)

                Michael.

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On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 04:41:47PM +0100, Michael Meeks wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2012-07-17 at 17:59 +0200, Stefan Knorr (Astron) wrote:
> > Anyway, here's the text I wanted to propose:
>
> I just dumped it across:
>
> https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/faq/general-faq/are-there-any-plans-for-a-new-gui/

nobody reads that anyway, dumped it at:

http://ask.libreoffice.org/question/31/are-there-any-plans-for-a-new-interface-gui/

which unrealistically praised Citrus before and ask.libreoffice.org is actually
read by people. ;)

Oh, btw devs should really go over there -- not to write answers, but to vote
realistic answers up -- and crack answers down.

Best,

Bjoern
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