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I'm hoping someone can help w/ this request. I'd like to get a 5' wide banner for the SCALE event in California at the end of this month. Is there an official logo that's at least 600dpi resolution? I see that there's an interesting design for a vertical banner. Is that design ready yet? Of course I'm under a deadline: I'd like to order the banner by close of business 10-Feb-2011 Thanks, Jeff Chimene http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User_talk:JChimene -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [hidden email] List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** |
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On Sun, 2011-02-06 at 12:10 -0700, Jeff Chimene wrote:
> Hi Folks: > > I'm hoping someone can help w/ this request. I'd like to get a 5' wide > banner for the SCALE event in California at the end of this month. > > Is there an official logo that's at least 600dpi resolution? I see that > there's an interesting design for a vertical banner. Is that design > ready yet? > > Of course I'm under a deadline: I'd like to order the banner by close of > business 10-Feb-2011 > > Thanks, > Jeff Chimene > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User_talk:JChimene > Just a quick note, this is a vinyl banner and will be used for additional shows (part of an event care package :-), as needed, not just this singular event. Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [hidden email] List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
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Jeff Chimene schrieb: > Hi Folks: > > I'm hoping someone can help w/ this request. I'd like to get a 5' wide > banner for the SCALE event in California at the end of this month. > > Is there an official logo that's at least 600dpi resolution? Please have a look at the branding wiki page: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Resources The largest exported PNG version is 2000px width (while you need 5x600=3000px), but you can use Inkscape with the source file linked there to export larger versions too. Especially with posters and banners please remember to include the necessary white space area around the logo in your design. > I see that > there's an interesting design for a vertical banner. Is that design > ready yet? Which design do you talk about? Can you link it here? What size do you need? Cor used a enlarged version of the installer image for FOSDEM, but there have been some other proposals in the past... > > Of course I'm under a deadline: I'd like to order the banner by close of > business 10-Feb-2011 Quite short, but I think this should be possible. Do you already know if your printer can use a bitmap or a SVG vector graphic and RGB colors? Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [hidden email] List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** |
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Hi Bernard, Drew:
Thanks so much for taking the time to answer my questions. I /really/ appreciate your help! I've tried to answer your questions inline below. I still have a few of my own. On 02/06/2011 03:57 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > Hi Jeff, * > > Jeff Chimene schrieb: >> Hi Folks: >> >> I'm hoping someone can help w/ this request. I'd like to get a 5' wide >> banner for the SCALE event in California at the end of this month. >> >> Is there an official logo that's at least 600dpi resolution? > > Please have a look at the branding wiki page: > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Resources Got it. Thanks Drew: I'm thinking this image: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice-Initial-Artwork-Colors_Guidelines_Valid1.png > > The largest exported PNG version is 2000px width (while you need > 5x600=3000px), but you can use Inkscape with the source file linked > there to export larger versions too. Hi Bernard: Is that the image here? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice-Initial-Artwork-Colors_Guidelines_Valid1.png If not, where do I find it? I can scale it via Gimp. The printer is named "VistaPrint" It looks like the best resolution I can get with them is 75 dpi (see below) > Especially with posters and banners please remember to include the > necessary white space area around the logo in your design. Right (see below re: full bleed) >> I see that >> there's an interesting design for a vertical banner. Is that design >> ready yet? > > Which design do you talk about? > Can you link it here? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Banner_Rough_Ideas_fromcornouws.png > What size do you need? Full Bleed Size (starting document size) 71.80" x 30.20" 1824mm x 767mm 5385 x 2265 pixels yield: Document Trim Size (final size after being cut) 71.53" x 30.00" 1817mm x 762mm 5365 x 2250 pixels I realize the DPI is not what I spoke to originally. This is actually fewer dpi (75) I was under the impression that VistaPrint could produce a high-res banner. Apparently that's not the case. I do have a printer in Tucson that can do hi res, but it will be about 3 or 4 times the VistaPrint cost. I'd like some feedback from you folks: do you want a 75 dpi banner, or should we go for higher resolution (but more $) Personally, I think the "LibreOffice-Initial-Artwork-Colors_Guidelines_Valid1.png" (if that's the logo) will be OK at 75 dpi: graphic edges are straight, sans-serif font. At a distance (> 6 feet), I think we can get by for a trade show. If we buy by 10-Feb, we get a free banner which has the following dimensions: Full Bleed Size (starting document size) 35.70" x 20.20" 907mm x 513mm 2678 x 1515 pixels Document Trim Size (final size after being cut) 35.50" x 20.00" 902mm x 508mm 2662 x 1500 pixels Again, 75 dpi, but up close (< 3 ft) it should be OK. > Cor used a enlarged version of the installer image for FOSDEM, but there > have been some other proposals in the past... Is that image available? >> >> Of course I'm under a deadline: I'd like to order the banner by close of >> business 10-Feb-2011 > > Quite short, but I think this should be possible. > > Do you already know if your printer can use a bitmap or a SVG vector > graphic and RGB colors? The acceptable formats are: Adobe Acrobat 9 Document (*.pdf) (recommended) Adobe Illustrator CS3 Artwork (*.ai) (recommended) Adobe Photoshop CS3 Image (*.psd) (recommended) Bitmap Image (*.bmp) CorelDRAW X4 Document (*.cdr,*.clk) GIF Image (*.gif) JPEG Image (*.jpg,*.jpeg) Microsoft PowerPoint 2010 Document (*.ppt,*.pptx) Microsoft Publisher 2010 Document (*.pub) Microsoft Word 2010 Document (*.doc,*.docx) PCX Image (*.pcx) PICT Image (*.pic,*.pict,*.pct) PNG Image (*.png) PostScript Document (*.ps) Windows Enhanced Metafile (*.emf) Windows Metafile (*.wmf) Cheers, jec -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [hidden email] List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** |
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Jeff Chimene schrieb: > Hi Bernard, Drew: > > Thanks so much for taking the time to answer my questions. I /really/ > appreciate your help! I've tried to answer your questions inline below. > I still have a few of my own. > > On 02/06/2011 03:57 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: >> Hi Jeff, * >> >> Jeff Chimene schrieb: >>> Hi Folks: >>> >>> I'm hoping someone can help w/ this request. I'd like to get a 5' wide >>> banner for the SCALE event in California at the end of this month. >>> >>> Is there an official logo that's at least 600dpi resolution? >> >> Please have a look at the branding wiki page: >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Resources > > Got it. Thanks So you found the links there in the table? They are different from the link you give here > > Drew: I'm thinking this image: > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice-Initial-Artwork-Colors_Guidelines_Valid1.png > This is *not* the official logo file, it just describes how the logo should be used. The links in the table at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Resources contain the logo in different versions. Like the one I mentioned here: >> >> The largest exported PNG version is 2000px width It's direct link in the contemporary version is: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_Initial-Artwork-Logo_ColorLogoContemporary_2000px.png >> but you can use Inkscape with the source file linked >> there to export larger versions too. > > Hi Bernard: > > Is that the image here? > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice-Initial-Artwork-Colors_Guidelines_Valid1.png > > If not, where do I find it? See above. I can scale it via Gimp. Please *never* upscale a bitmap to get a larger image (except you want to reach the pixelized view as a matter of artistic element). If you can't use the vector source from the table, I'll create a bitmap in the right dimensions for you. > > The printer is named "VistaPrint" Know it - used it for my private business cards. > > It looks like the best resolution I can get with them is 75 dpi (see below) So you want a logo in 5' width and 75 dpi resolution? The file would be 5 (foot) x 12 (inch to foot) x 75 (DPI) = 4500 px in width and 1436 px in height. The resulting banner would be 5' x 1.596' (1,52m x 0,484m) I don't know if you want to print the "Basic" or "Contemporary" logo. While the basic version consists of only two colors (Green and Black), the contemporary uses different gradients in the green tone and grey. I don't know if there will be a difference in the price - the gradient between two different green tones will lead to a multitude of colors, so it might be more expensive... > >> Especially with posters and banners please remember to include the >> necessary white space area around the logo in your design. > > Right (see below re: full bleed) > >>> I see that >>> there's an interesting design for a vertical banner. Is that design >>> ready yet? >> >> Which design do you talk about? >> Can you link it here? > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Banner_Rough_Ideas_fromcornouws.png There are different ideas on the file. Cor used no 3 on FOSDEM - see below. >> What size do you need? > > Full Bleed Size (starting document size) > 71.80" x 30.20" > 1824mm x 767mm > 5385 x 2265 pixels That's not the vertical banner - do you speak of the logo banner again? The logo is not as high as your banner, so it might be positioned in the middle (if the banner will hang in the air or at a wall) or at the top (if the banner should be pinned to the tables in the booth). > > yield: > Document Trim Size (final size after being cut) > 71.53" x 30.00" > 1817mm x 762mm > 5365 x 2250 pixels > > I realize the DPI is not what I spoke to originally. This is actually > fewer dpi (75) I was under the impression that VistaPrint could produce > a high-res banner. Apparently that's not the case. I do have a printer > in Tucson that can do hi res, but it will be about 3 or 4 times the > VistaPrint cost. > > I'd like some feedback from you folks: do you want a 75 dpi banner, or > should we go for higher resolution (but more $) Personally, I think the > "LibreOffice-Initial-Artwork-Colors_Guidelines_Valid1.png" (if that's > the logo) will be OK at 75 dpi: graphic edges are straight, sans-serif > font. At a distance (> 6 feet), I think we can get by for a trade show. I think 75 dpi per color should be enough, but I'm not that experienced in creating vinyl banners. > If we buy by 10-Feb, we get a free banner which has the following > dimensions: > > Full Bleed Size (starting document size) > 35.70" x 20.20" > 907mm x 513mm > 2678 x 1515 pixels So you need this size too. Please avoid scaling from one to another size (and if you need to: downscaling to the smaller size is less problematic than upscaling). It would be best, if you would extract .png bitmap files from the source with Inkscape. > > Document Trim Size (final size after being cut) > 35.50" x 20.00" > 902mm x 508mm > 2662 x 1500 pixels > > Again, 75 dpi, but up close (< 3 ft) it should be OK. > >> Cor used a enlarged version of the installer image for FOSDEM, but there >> have been some other proposals in the past... > > Is that image available? Yes - it is contained in the Initial Artwork package linked from the wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice-Initial-Artwork-Package.zip I extracted the file for Cor to a size of 6170 x 11811 px (for a banner of 1 m height and 52 cm width in 300 dpi) - would be 4 m in 75 dpi ;-) Can you tell me the size you want it? > >>[...] >> Do you already know if your printer can use a bitmap or a SVG vector >> graphic and RGB colors? > > The acceptable formats are: > > Adobe Acrobat 9 Document (*.pdf) (recommended) > Adobe Illustrator CS3 Artwork (*.ai) (recommended) > Adobe Photoshop CS3 Image (*.psd) (recommended) If someone owns such an Adobe product, he could load the SVG source file and extract the final file, but ... > Bitmap Image (*.bmp) > CorelDRAW X4 Document (*.cdr,*.clk) > GIF Image (*.gif) > JPEG Image (*.jpg,*.jpeg) > Microsoft PowerPoint 2010 Document (*.ppt,*.pptx) > Microsoft Publisher 2010 Document (*.pub) > Microsoft Word 2010 Document (*.doc,*.docx) > PCX Image (*.pcx) > PICT Image (*.pic,*.pict,*.pct) ...this is the file format Inkscape directly extracts to: > PNG Image (*.png) So the easiest way is to stay with this format. > PostScript Document (*.ps) > Windows Enhanced Metafile (*.emf) > Windows Metafile (*.wmf) > Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [hidden email] List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** |
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On 02/07/2011 04:08 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote:
> Hi Jeff, * > > Jeff Chimene schrieb: >> Hi Bernard, Drew: >> >> Thanks so much for taking the time to answer my questions. I /really/ >> appreciate your help! I've tried to answer your questions inline below. >> I still have a few of my own. >> >> On 02/06/2011 03:57 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: >>> Hi Jeff, * >>> >>> Jeff Chimene schrieb: >>>> Hi Folks: >>>> >>>> I'm hoping someone can help w/ this request. I'd like to get a 5' wide >>>> banner for the SCALE event in California at the end of this month. >>>> >>>> Is there an official logo that's at least 600dpi resolution? >>> >>> Please have a look at the branding wiki page: >>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Resources >> >> Got it. Thanks > > So you found the links there in the table? They are different from the > link you give here >> >> Drew: I'm thinking this image: >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice-Initial-Artwork-Colors_Guidelines_Valid1.png >> >> > This is *not* the official logo file, it just describes how the logo > should be used. It was simply a starting point, not the final banner contents. I spoke too informally for the list. > The links in the table at > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Resources contain > the logo in different versions. Like the one I mentioned here: >>> >>> The largest exported PNG version is 2000px width > > It's direct link in the contemporary version is: > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_Initial-Artwork-Logo_ColorLogoContemporary_2000px.png Thanks. I've been looking at that image. >>> but you can use Inkscape with the source file linked >>> there to export larger versions too. >> >> Hi Bernard: >> >> Is that the image here? >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice-Initial-Artwork-Colors_Guidelines_Valid1.png >> >> >> If not, where do I find it? > See above. > > I can scale it via Gimp. > > Please *never* upscale a bitmap to get a larger image (except you want > to reach the pixelized view as a matter of artistic element). Right. I was going upscale the vector version. My apologies for the confusion. I realize I have to use Inkscape (upscale vector, not bitmap). > If you can't use the vector source from the table, I'll create a bitmap > in the right dimensions for you. Well, I know far less about Inkscape than Gimp. However, I really don't want to make additional work for you. >> The printer is named "VistaPrint" > > Know it - used it for my private business cards. >> >> It looks like the best resolution I can get with them is 75 dpi (see >> below) > > So you want a logo in 5' width and 75 dpi resolution? > > The file would be 5 (foot) x 12 (inch to foot) x 75 (DPI) = 4500 px in > width and 1436 px in height. > > The resulting banner would be 5' x 1.596' (1,52m x 0,484m) > > I don't know if you want to print the "Basic" or "Contemporary" logo. Contemporary. Is that what Cor used? > While the basic version consists of only two colors (Green and Black), > the contemporary uses different gradients in the green tone and grey. > > I don't know if there will be a difference in the price - the gradient > between two different green tones will lead to a multitude of colors, so > it might be more expensive... The VistaPrint pricing does not seem to be color sensitive. >>> Especially with posters and banners please remember to include the >>> necessary white space area around the logo in your design. >> >> Right (see below re: full bleed) >> >>>> I see that >>>> there's an interesting design for a vertical banner. Is that design >>>> ready yet? >>> >>> Which design do you talk about? >>> Can you link it here? >> >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Banner_Rough_Ideas_fromcornouws.png >> > > There are different ideas on the file. > > Cor used no 3 on FOSDEM - see below. >From Cor's response, I found the zip file and the logo. I don't know how folks downstream (i.e. subsequent U.S. shows) would react to a vertical logo, but I think it's cool. >>> What size do you need? >> >> Full Bleed Size (starting document size) >> 71.80" x 30.20" >> 1824mm x 767mm >> 5385 x 2265 pixels > > That's not the vertical banner - do you speak of the logo banner again? Yes. That's the size from VistaPrint's specifications. The vertical banner would be rotated to fit. As far as I can tell, VistaPrint recommends an image sized to the above dimensions, full bleed. Without scaling the current images, I agree, there will be too much whitespace around the logo. Here's my dilemma: 1. You've already done the work to upscale the vertical image. I'd like to reuse that work. But, I don't know how other people would react to a vertical orientation. 2. The contemporary logo would have to be upscaled to get to 5385 x 2265 pixels. I don't know how the banner will be used at future tradeshows, so I don't want to pre-position the image to handle the whitespace. I guess the best answer is to scale the contemporary logo in svg format to VistaPrint's full-bleed measurements at a resolution that keeps the total file size under 12 Mb. If that can be done via PICT, that's fine. It may be that due to embedded font considerations, it's easier to send as a BMP. I don't know what's involved to get Inkscape to export a PDF that's useable by VistaPrint (there's bound to be an issue w/ fonts). > The logo is not as high as your banner, so it might be positioned in the > middle (if the banner will hang in the air or at a wall) or at the top > (if the banner should be pinned to the tables in the booth). That's why I was going to scale the image. I don't know how future tradeshow participants will use the banner. However, as I wrote above, I like the vertical banner, but I don't want to force that decision on future participants. >> >> yield: >> Document Trim Size (final size after being cut) >> 71.53" x 30.00" >> 1817mm x 762mm >> 5365 x 2250 pixels >> >> I realize the DPI is not what I spoke to originally. This is actually >> fewer dpi (75) I was under the impression that VistaPrint could produce >> a high-res banner. Apparently that's not the case. I do have a printer >> in Tucson that can do hi res, but it will be about 3 or 4 times the >> VistaPrint cost. >> >> I'd like some feedback from you folks: do you want a 75 dpi banner, or >> should we go for higher resolution (but more $) Personally, I think the >> "LibreOffice-Initial-Artwork-Colors_Guidelines_Valid1.png" (if that's >> the logo) will be OK at 75 dpi: graphic edges are straight, sans-serif >> font. At a distance (> 6 feet), I think we can get by for a trade show. > > I think 75 dpi per color should be enough, but I'm not that experienced > in creating vinyl banners. How did the vertical banner look at that resolution? It seems like the shading at the upper left and lower right edges would benefit with higher resolution. >> If we buy by 10-Feb, we get a free banner which has the following >> dimensions: >> >> Full Bleed Size (starting document size) >> 35.70" x 20.20" >> 907mm x 513mm >> 2678 x 1515 pixels > > So you need this size too. If we can accomplish this by 10-Feb. After that, it's not free. I'd use the contemporary logo, in svg format and downscale it to the above dimensions. Again, the same export issues occur with the font. > Please avoid scaling from one to another size (and if you need to: > downscaling to the smaller size is less problematic than upscaling). > > It would be best, if you would extract .png bitmap files from the source > with Inkscape. >> >> Document Trim Size (final size after being cut) >> 35.50" x 20.00" >> 902mm x 508mm >> 2662 x 1500 pixels >> >> Again, 75 dpi, but up close (< 3 ft) it should be OK. >> >>> Cor used a enlarged version of the installer image for FOSDEM, but there >>> have been some other proposals in the past... >> >> Is that image available? > > Yes - it is contained in the Initial Artwork package linked from the wiki: > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice-Initial-Artwork-Package.zip Right. Got it. > I extracted the file for Cor to a size of 6170 x 11811 px (for a banner > of 1 m height and 52 cm width in 300 dpi) - would be 4 m in 75 dpi ;-) > > Can you tell me the size you want it? Well, that size is interesting. According to VistaPrint's specifications, their full-bleed dimensions are 5385 x 2265 pixels. So, Cor's image would be too tall, and too narrow. I should think that downscaling to 5385 pixels would be OK. Whitespace for the vertical orientation wouldn't be so visually distracting as the whitespace of the horizontal orientation. I think it would look good, but I don't want to force that decision on future tradeshow people. Nevertheless, I think I should set the vertical banner aside for now. I'd recommend scaling the contemporary svg to VistaPrint's specifications. >>> [...] >>> Do you already know if your printer can use a bitmap or a SVG vector >>> graphic and RGB colors? >> >> The acceptable formats are: >> >> Adobe Acrobat 9 Document (*.pdf) (recommended) >> Adobe Illustrator CS3 Artwork (*.ai) (recommended) >> Adobe Photoshop CS3 Image (*.psd) (recommended) > > If someone owns such an Adobe product, he could load the SVG source file > and extract the final file, but ... > >> Bitmap Image (*.bmp) >> CorelDRAW X4 Document (*.cdr,*.clk) >> GIF Image (*.gif) >> JPEG Image (*.jpg,*.jpeg) >> Microsoft PowerPoint 2010 Document (*.ppt,*.pptx) >> Microsoft Publisher 2010 Document (*.pub) >> Microsoft Word 2010 Document (*.doc,*.docx) >> PCX Image (*.pcx) >> PICT Image (*.pic,*.pict,*.pct) > > ...this is the file format Inkscape directly extracts to: > >> PNG Image (*.png) > > So the easiest way is to stay with this format. OK, if the font issue (i.e. sending text outline, not the font) can be solved. > >> PostScript Document (*.ps) >> Windows Enhanced Metafile (*.emf) >> Windows Metafile (*.wmf) >> > > Best regards > > Bernhard Thanks for your help, Bernhard. Cheers, jec -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [hidden email] List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** |
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Jeff Chimene wrote: > On 02/07/2011 04:08 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > > Hi Jeff, * > > > > Jeff Chimene schrieb: > >> Hi Bernard, Drew: > >> > >> Thanks so much for taking the time to answer my questions. I /really/ > >> appreciate your help! I've tried to answer your questions inline below. > >> I still have a few of my own. > >> > >> On 02/06/2011 03:57 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: > >>> Hi Jeff, * > >>> > >>> Jeff Chimene schrieb: > >>>> Hi Folks: > >>>> > >>>> I'm hoping someone can help w/ this request. I'd like to get a 5' wide > >>>> banner for the SCALE event in California at the end of this month. > >>>> > >>>> Is there an official logo that's at least 600dpi resolution? > >>> > >>> Please have a look at the branding wiki page: > >>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Resources > >> > >> Got it. Thanks > > > > So you found the links there in the table? They are different from the > > link you give here > >> > >> Drew: I'm thinking this image: > >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice-Initial-Artwork-Colors_Guidelines_Valid1.png > >> > >> > > This is *not* the official logo file, it just describes how the logo > > should be used. > > It was simply a starting point, not the final banner contents. I spoke > too informally for the list. > > > The links in the table at > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Resources contain > > the logo in different versions. Like the one I mentioned here: > >>> > >>> The largest exported PNG version is 2000px width > > > > It's direct link in the contemporary version is: > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_Initial-Artwork-Logo_ColorLogoContemporary_2000px.png > > Thanks. I've been looking at that image. > > >>> but you can use Inkscape with the source file linked > >>> there to export larger versions too. > >> > >> Hi Bernard: > >> > >> Is that the image here? > >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice-Initial-Artwork-Colors_Guidelines_Valid1.png > >> > >> > >> If not, where do I find it? > > See above. > > > > I can scale it via Gimp. > > > > Please *never* upscale a bitmap to get a larger image (except you want > > to reach the pixelized view as a matter of artistic element). > > Right. I was going upscale the vector version. My apologies for the > confusion. I realize I have to use Inkscape (upscale vector, not bitmap). +1 > > > If you can't use the vector source from the table, I'll create a bitmap > > in the right dimensions for you. > > Well, I know far less about Inkscape than Gimp. However, I really don't > want to make additional work for you. It's not really hard to do so. > > >> The printer is named "VistaPrint" > > > > Know it - used it for my private business cards. > >> > >> It looks like the best resolution I can get with them is 75 dpi (see > >> below) > > > > So you want a logo in 5' width and 75 dpi resolution? > > > > The file would be 5 (foot) x 12 (inch to foot) x 75 (DPI) = 4500 px in > > width and 1436 px in height. > > > > The resulting banner would be 5' x 1.596' (1,52m x 0,484m) > > > > I don't know if you want to print the "Basic" or "Contemporary" logo. > > Contemporary. Is that what Cor used? Cor's vertical banner used the installer graphic containg the contemporary logo. The other banner (ordered by a developer - Kendy IIRC) uses the basic design. > > > While the basic version consists of only two colors (Green and Black), > > the contemporary uses different gradients in the green tone and grey. > > > > I don't know if there will be a difference in the price - the gradient > > between two different green tones will lead to a multitude of colors, so > > it might be more expensive... > > The VistaPrint pricing does not seem to be color sensitive. So I would prefer the contemporary version, looking more friendly and modern by providing gradients and replacing black by grey. > > >>> Especially with posters and banners please remember to include the > >>> necessary white space area around the logo in your design. > >> > >> Right (see below re: full bleed) Not only for bleed - the final result should contain the white space. Therefore you have to add the bleed borders to the file - the only action that really needs a bit of time. > >> > >>>> I see that > >>>> there's an interesting design for a vertical banner. Is that design > >>>> ready yet? > >>> > >>> Which design do you talk about? > >>> Can you link it here? > >> > >> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Banner_Rough_Ideas_fromcornouws.png > >> > > > > There are different ideas on the file. > > > > Cor used no 3 on FOSDEM - see below. > > >From Cor's response, I found the zip file and the logo. I don't know how > folks downstream (i.e. subsequent U.S. shows) would react to a vertical > logo, but I think it's cool. > > >>> What size do you need? > >> > >> Full Bleed Size (starting document size) > >> 71.80" x 30.20" > >> 1824mm x 767mm > >> 5385 x 2265 pixels > > > > That's not the vertical banner - do you speak of the logo banner again? > > Yes. That's the size from VistaPrint's specifications. The vertical > banner would be rotated to fit. As far as I can tell, VistaPrint > recommends an image sized to the above dimensions, full bleed. Without > scaling the current images, I agree, there will be too much whitespace > around the logo. Not too much whitespace is my concern - too less is problematic. > > Here's my dilemma: > > 1. You've already done the work to upscale the vertical image. I'd like > to reuse that work. But, I don't know how other people would react to a > vertical orientation. If you want to go with one banner, I'd leave the vertical one out, as the logo is in relative small scale on it. With two banners, the smaller one could have the vertical orientation. > > 2. The contemporary logo would have to be upscaled to get to 5385 x 2265 > pixels. This doesn't mean more than a few seconds of work in Inkscape. >> I don't know how the banner will be used at future tradeshows, >> so I don't want to pre-position the image to handle the whitespace. There is no sense in cutting and sewing the banner in order to modify the whitespace for different fairs and tradeshows. I'd recomment to position it in the middle, because I think this would be reasonable fo rmost use-cases. > > I guess the best answer is to scale the contemporary logo in svg format > to VistaPrint's full-bleed measurements at a resolution that keeps the > total file size under 12 Mb. If that can be done via PICT, that's fine. > It may be that due to embedded font considerations, it's easier to send > as a BMP. I don't know what PICT means, but I'd recommend using PNG, as every printer does know about their restrictions. > > I don't know what's involved to get Inkscape to export a PDF that's > useable by VistaPrint (there's bound to be an issue w/ fonts). My main concern is that Inkscape exports RGB colors while most printers use CMYK colors in PDFs. Fonts are not a problem, as the logo characters have already been converted to paths in the source. There are PDF/EPS conversion problems with transparency in Inkscape (sometimes with gradients too), so it is necessary to have a close look at the export results. In principle PDF export produces higher quality results, because the file stays in vector format (especially if the result needs to become rescaled a bit). > [...] > >> > >> I'd like some feedback from you folks: do you want a 75 dpi banner, or > >> should we go for higher resolution (but more $) Personally, I think the > >> "LibreOffice-Initial-Artwork-Colors_Guidelines_Valid1.png" (if that's > >> the logo) will be OK at 75 dpi: graphic edges are straight, sans-serif > >> font. At a distance (> 6 feet), I think we can get by for a trade show. > > > > I think 75 dpi per color should be enough, but I'm not that experienced > > in creating vinyl banners. > > How did the vertical banner look at that resolution? It seems like the > shading at the upper left and lower right edges would benefit with > higher resolution. I don't think so: even gradients and shadings are not very detailed.. > > >> If we buy by 10-Feb, we get a free banner which has the following > >> dimensions: > >> > >> Full Bleed Size (starting document size) > >> 35.70" x 20.20" > >> 907mm x 513mm > >> 2678 x 1515 pixels > > > > So you need this size too. > > If we can accomplish this by 10-Feb. After that, it's not free. I'd use > the contemporary logo, in svg format and downscale it to the above > dimensions. Again, the same export issues occur with the font. Perhaps you could use this size for the vertical banner? With some modifications in the source the broader width might be possible, i you want to avoid a white stripe at the side of the banner (I don't know if you can cut the Vinyl banner without problems). > > > Please avoid scaling from one to another size (and if you need to: > > downscaling to the smaller size is less problematic than upscaling). > > > > It would be best, if you would extract .png bitmap files from the source > > with Inkscape. > >> > >> Document Trim Size (final size after being cut) > >> 35.50" x 20.00" > >> 902mm x 508mm > >> 2662 x 1500 pixels > >> > >> Again, 75 dpi, but up close (< 3 ft) it should be OK. > >> > >>> Cor used a enlarged version of the installer image for FOSDEM, but there > >>> have been some other proposals in the past... > >> > >> Is that image available? > > > > Yes - it is contained in the Initial Artwork package linked from the wiki: > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice-Initial-Artwork-Package.zip > > Right. Got it. > > > I extracted the file for Cor to a size of 6170 x 11811 px (for a banner > > of 1 m height and 52 cm width in 300 dpi) - would be 4 m in 75 dpi ;-) > > > > Can you tell me the size you want it? > > Well, that size is interesting. According to VistaPrint's > specifications, their full-bleed dimensions are 5385 x 2265 pixels. So, > Cor's image would be too tall, and too narrow. > > I should think that downscaling to 5385 pixels would be OK. Whitespace > for the vertical orientation wouldn't be so visually distracting as the > whitespace of the horizontal orientation. I think it's the other way round: The horizontal logo only banner will not experience any problem in adding some more white space to the already existing white area. Adding white areas to the vertical banner might be less attractive, as the image itself contains a border. showing cleary, that the design has been re-used from another resource... > I think it would look good, > but I don't want to force that decision on future tradeshow people. Just discuss it here (and perhaps on the marketing list). If the group can agree on a design and scale, we should use this one as "official resouce". [...] Best regards Bernhard -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [hidden email] List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** |
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On 02/08/2011 05:07 AM, Dr. Bernhard Dippold wrote:
> Hi Jeff, all, > > Jeff Chimene wrote: >> On 02/07/2011 04:08 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: >>> Hi Jeff, * >>> >>> Jeff Chimene schrieb: >>>> Hi Bernard, Drew: >>>> >>>> Thanks so much for taking the time to answer my questions. I /really/ >>>> appreciate your help! I've tried to answer your questions inline below. >>>> I still have a few of my own. >>>> >>>> On 02/06/2011 03:57 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: >>>>> Hi Jeff, * >>>>> >>>>> Jeff Chimene schrieb: >>>>>> Hi Folks: >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm hoping someone can help w/ this request. I'd like to get a 5' wide >>>>>> banner for the SCALE event in California at the end of this month. >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there an official logo that's at least 600dpi resolution? >>>>> >>>>> Please have a look at the branding wiki page: >>>>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Resources >>>> >>>> Got it. Thanks >>> >>> So you found the links there in the table? They are different from the >>> link you give here >>>> >>>> Drew: I'm thinking this image: >>>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice-Initial-Artwork-Colors_Guidelines_Valid1.png >>>> >>>> >>> This is *not* the official logo file, it just describes how the logo >>> should be used. >> >> It was simply a starting point, not the final banner contents. I spoke >> too informally for the list. >> >>> The links in the table at >>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding#Resources contain >>> the logo in different versions. Like the one I mentioned here: >>>>> >>>>> The largest exported PNG version is 2000px width >>> >>> It's direct link in the contemporary version is: >>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice_Initial-Artwork-Logo_ColorLogoContemporary_2000px.png >> >> Thanks. I've been looking at that image. >> >>>>> but you can use Inkscape with the source file linked >>>>> there to export larger versions too. >>>> >>>> Hi Bernard: >>>> >>>> Is that the image here? >>>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice-Initial-Artwork-Colors_Guidelines_Valid1.png >>>> >>>> >>>> If not, where do I find it? >>> See above. >>> >>> I can scale it via Gimp. >>> >>> Please *never* upscale a bitmap to get a larger image (except you want >>> to reach the pixelized view as a matter of artistic element). >> >> Right. I was going upscale the vector version. My apologies for the >> confusion. I realize I have to use Inkscape (upscale vector, not bitmap). > > +1 >> >>> If you can't use the vector source from the table, I'll create a bitmap >>> in the right dimensions for you. >> >> Well, I know far less about Inkscape than Gimp. However, I really don't >> want to make additional work for you. > > It's not really hard to do so. >> >>>> The printer is named "VistaPrint" >>> >>> Know it - used it for my private business cards. >>>> >>>> It looks like the best resolution I can get with them is 75 dpi (see >>>> below) >>> >>> So you want a logo in 5' width and 75 dpi resolution? >>> >>> The file would be 5 (foot) x 12 (inch to foot) x 75 (DPI) = 4500 px in >>> width and 1436 px in height. >>> >>> The resulting banner would be 5' x 1.596' (1,52m x 0,484m) >>> >>> I don't know if you want to print the "Basic" or "Contemporary" logo. >> >> Contemporary. Is that what Cor used? > > Cor's vertical banner used the installer graphic containg the contemporary > logo. > > The other banner (ordered by a developer - Kendy IIRC) uses the basic > design. >> >>> While the basic version consists of only two colors (Green and Black), >>> the contemporary uses different gradients in the green tone and grey. >>> >>> I don't know if there will be a difference in the price - the gradient >>> between two different green tones will lead to a multitude of colors, so >>> it might be more expensive... >> >> The VistaPrint pricing does not seem to be color sensitive. > > So I would prefer the contemporary version, looking more friendly and > modern by providing gradients and replacing black by grey. >> >>>>> Especially with posters and banners please remember to include the >>>>> necessary white space area around the logo in your design. >>>> >>>> Right (see below re: full bleed) > > Not only for bleed - the final result should contain the white space. > > Therefore you have to add the bleed borders to the file - the only action > that really needs a bit of time. >>>> >>>>>> I see that >>>>>> there's an interesting design for a vertical banner. Is that design >>>>>> ready yet? >>>>> >>>>> Which design do you talk about? >>>>> Can you link it here? >>>> >>>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Banner_Rough_Ideas_fromcornouws.png >>>> >>> >>> There are different ideas on the file. >>> >>> Cor used no 3 on FOSDEM - see below. >> >> >From Cor's response, I found the zip file and the logo. I don't know how >> folks downstream (i.e. subsequent U.S. shows) would react to a vertical >> logo, but I think it's cool. >> >>>>> What size do you need? >>>> >>>> Full Bleed Size (starting document size) >>>> 71.80" x 30.20" >>>> 1824mm x 767mm >>>> 5385 x 2265 pixels >>> >>> That's not the vertical banner - do you speak of the logo banner again? >> >> Yes. That's the size from VistaPrint's specifications. The vertical >> banner would be rotated to fit. As far as I can tell, VistaPrint >> recommends an image sized to the above dimensions, full bleed. Without >> scaling the current images, I agree, there will be too much whitespace >> around the logo. > > Not too much whitespace is my concern - too less is problematic. >> >> Here's my dilemma: >> >> 1. You've already done the work to upscale the vertical image. I'd like >> to reuse that work. But, I don't know how other people would react to a >> vertical orientation. > > If you want to go with one banner, I'd leave the vertical one out, as the logo > is in relative small scale on it. > > With two banners, the smaller one could have the vertical orientation. >> >> 2. The contemporary logo would have to be upscaled to get to 5385 x 2265 >> pixels. > > This doesn't mean more than a few seconds of work in Inkscape. > >>> I don't know how the banner will be used at future tradeshows, >>> so I don't want to pre-position the image to handle the whitespace. > > There is no sense in cutting and sewing the banner in order to modify the > whitespace for different fairs and tradeshows. > > I'd recomment to position it in the middle, because I think this would be > reasonable fo rmost use-cases. >> >> I guess the best answer is to scale the contemporary logo in svg format >> to VistaPrint's full-bleed measurements at a resolution that keeps the >> total file size under 12 Mb. If that can be done via PICT, that's fine. >> It may be that due to embedded font considerations, it's easier to send >> as a BMP. > > I don't know what PICT means, but I'd recommend using PNG, as every > printer does know about their restrictions. >> >> I don't know what's involved to get Inkscape to export a PDF that's >> useable by VistaPrint (there's bound to be an issue w/ fonts). > > My main concern is that Inkscape exports RGB colors while most printers > use CMYK colors in PDFs. > > Fonts are not a problem, as the logo characters have already been > converted to paths in the source. > > There are PDF/EPS conversion problems with transparency in Inkscape > (sometimes with gradients too), so it is necessary to have a close look at > the export results. > > In principle PDF export produces higher quality results, because the file > stays in vector format (especially if the result needs to become rescaled a bit). >> [...] >>>> >>>> I'd like some feedback from you folks: do you want a 75 dpi banner, or >>>> should we go for higher resolution (but more $) Personally, I think the >>>> "LibreOffice-Initial-Artwork-Colors_Guidelines_Valid1.png" (if that's >>>> the logo) will be OK at 75 dpi: graphic edges are straight, sans-serif >>>> font. At a distance (> 6 feet), I think we can get by for a trade show. >>> >>> I think 75 dpi per color should be enough, but I'm not that experienced >>> in creating vinyl banners. >> >> How did the vertical banner look at that resolution? It seems like the >> shading at the upper left and lower right edges would benefit with >> higher resolution. > > I don't think so: even gradients and shadings are not very detailed.. >> >>>> If we buy by 10-Feb, we get a free banner which has the following >>>> dimensions: >>>> >>>> Full Bleed Size (starting document size) >>>> 35.70" x 20.20" >>>> 907mm x 513mm >>>> 2678 x 1515 pixels >>> >>> So you need this size too. >> >> If we can accomplish this by 10-Feb. After that, it's not free. I'd use >> the contemporary logo, in svg format and downscale it to the above >> dimensions. Again, the same export issues occur with the font. > > Perhaps you could use this size for the vertical banner? > > With some modifications in the source the broader width might be > possible, i you want to avoid a white stripe at the side of the banner > (I don't know if you can cut the Vinyl banner without problems). >> >>> Please avoid scaling from one to another size (and if you need to: >>> downscaling to the smaller size is less problematic than upscaling). >>> >>> It would be best, if you would extract .png bitmap files from the source >>> with Inkscape. >>>> >>>> Document Trim Size (final size after being cut) >>>> 35.50" x 20.00" >>>> 902mm x 508mm >>>> 2662 x 1500 pixels >>>> >>>> Again, 75 dpi, but up close (< 3 ft) it should be OK. >>>> >>>>> Cor used a enlarged version of the installer image for FOSDEM, but there >>>>> have been some other proposals in the past... >>>> >>>> Is that image available? >>> >>> Yes - it is contained in the Initial Artwork package linked from the wiki: >>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:LibreOffice-Initial-Artwork-Package.zip >> >> Right. Got it. >> >>> I extracted the file for Cor to a size of 6170 x 11811 px (for a banner >>> of 1 m height and 52 cm width in 300 dpi) - would be 4 m in 75 dpi ;-) >>> >>> Can you tell me the size you want it? >> >> Well, that size is interesting. According to VistaPrint's >> specifications, their full-bleed dimensions are 5385 x 2265 pixels. So, >> Cor's image would be too tall, and too narrow. >> >> I should think that downscaling to 5385 pixels would be OK. Whitespace >> for the vertical orientation wouldn't be so visually distracting as the >> whitespace of the horizontal orientation. > > I think it's the other way round: > > The horizontal logo only banner will not > experience any problem in adding some more white space to the already > existing white area. > > Adding white areas to the vertical banner might be less attractive, as the > image itself contains a border. showing cleary, that the design has been > re-used from another resource... > >> I think it would look good, >> but I don't want to force that decision on future tradeshow people. > > Just discuss it here (and perhaps on the marketing list). If the group can > agree on a design and scale, we should use this one as "official resouce". > [...] OK. We (Drew, mostly) have 72x30 images on the wiki Quoting from http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/msg00779.html > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Banner_72inx30in_contemp.pdf > > [change pdf to svg again to get source files] > > With the non-contemporary logo, as last night > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/File:Banner_72inx30in.pdf > > Both have been adjusted to conform to the white space requirements. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [hidden email] List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/design/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity *** |
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