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Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-Mar-09

Present:
  + Samuel, Heiko, Cor (partly), Jay, Tomaz

Organization

 * Have a special UX hackfest/meeting?
   + idea from Arnaud acknowledged by TDF
   + no interest so far; will drop from the planning

 * Custom Shapes
   + Have a meeting with stakeholders and talk about next steps (Jay)
   + AI Heiko: send out an email

Tickets

 * Notebookbar procedure
   + new section in wiki with guidelines for general purpose
     and contextual sections https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/ToolBar
   + single line and tabs missing

 * Should this be backported to make non-notebookbar modes accessible to all (Jay)
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103323
   + https://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=50468779725c9eaccae17e4e39a6651f12e49340
   + it's a minor bug fix so it makes sense to add to 5.3.1 (Jay)
   + is in master for some weeks, should be safe to push (Samuel)
   + will have a look and approve it (Samuel)

 * Default set of table styles
   + Asked again on the ML and did a short survey https://survey.documentfoundation.org/
   + got a number of replies, unfortunately in the survey where comments cannot be assigned properly
     to the question (as told in the ML)
   + propose to run the survey now with the community but have only one comment at the end (Heiko)
     + no objections
     + two approaches possible: 1: what do people like; 2: is there anything that people do
       not want to be part of the set
   + check with Jakub/Miklos whether text formatting is part of table style ODF and OOXML formats (Jay)
   + text formatting is applied currently (Heiko)

 * New default color palette
   + https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=87538
   + recommend to run a poll with the 3 variants in 12x9 size (Heiko)
   + suggest to do it on the ML (Jay)
   + as an Open Source project we should include the whole community (Heiko)


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Re: Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-Mar-09

Jay was wondering why character style is included. The table style as implemented today makes the text of lines italic, for instance, but is expected to affect only background and border.

On 03/09/2017 05:04 PM, Regina Henschel wrote:

> Hi Heiko,
>
> Heiko Tietze schrieb:
>
>>    + check with Jakub/Miklos whether text formatting is part of table style ODF and OOXML formats (Jay)
>>    + text formatting is applied currently (Heiko)
>
> What do you need to know about text formatting in regard to table styles in ODF? "Text formatting" is a wide area. I might can tell something about it.
>
> Kind regards
> Regina
>

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Re: Minutes of the Design Hangout: 2016-Mar-09

Hi Heiko,

Heiko Tietze schrieb:
> Jay was wondering why character style is included. The table style as implemented today makes the text of lines italic, for instance, but is expected to affect only background and border.

The <table:table-template> element has children: <table:background>
16.20, <table:body> 16.19.6, <table:even-columns> 16.19.9,
<table:even-rows> 16.19.7, <table:first-column> 16.19.4,
<table:first-row> 16.19.2, <table:last-column> 16.19.5, <table:last-row>
16.19.3, <table:odd-columns> 16.19.10 and <table:odd-rows> 16.19.8.
Besides <table:background>, which refers to a style of family type
'table', all others refer to a style of family type 'table-cell'.
And in section "Table Cell Styles" (16.36.4, part 1) you read,

<quote>
Table cell styles are <style:style> elements that have the family
table-cell.

In addition to table cell properties, table cell styles may define
paragraph and text properties. These are applied to paragraphs contained
in a table cell unless they are overwritten by paragraph styles that are
specified by the paragraph elements themselves.
</quote>

The essential part is "text properties". You can read in section
16.27.28<style:text-properties> the huge number of its attributes.

In the schema it is in line #13290 to 13302.

The old table "AutoFormat Styles" have included text properties, and
such are always needed to style a table. So I do not understand "but is
expected to affect only background and border".

Kind regards
Regina

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