New icon set

> Hi everyone,
> I want to talk about making a new icon set, if people here are up for it.
> The icon set would be much simpler than the current one, all icons
> utilizing only two colors. I'm bringing up the idea because I'd like to
> modernize the icon set.
> Here's the whiteboard:
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Flat_icon_set .
> Tell me if you'd be interested in working on this. If so, we'll need to
> decide on how to proceed, what format to use, what resolutions to develop,
> how we could automate converstion of colors to get a light version of the
> set and high-contrast versions, etc.
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> Hi everyone,
> I want to talk about making a new icon set, if people here are up for it.
> The icon set would be much simpler than the current one, all icons
> utilizing only two colors. I'm bringing up the idea because I'd like to
> modernize the icon set.
> Here's the whiteboard:
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Flat_icon_set .
> Tell me if you'd be interested in working on this. If so, we'll need to
> decide on how to proceed, what format to use, what resolutions to develop,
> how we could automate converstion of colors to get a light version of the
> set and high-contrast versions, etc.
>
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> i'm in.
>
> regarding tools and formats, i think inkscape + svg is the best solution
> for the reasons mentioned here:
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Collaboration
>
> tobias
>
>
> 2011/12/11 Mirek M. <[hidden email]>
>
> > Hi everyone,
> > I want to talk about making a new icon set, if people here are up for it.
> > The icon set would be much simpler than the current one, all icons
> > utilizing only two colors. I'm bringing up the idea because I'd like to
> > modernize the icon set.
> > Here's the whiteboard:
> > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Flat_icon_set .
> > Tell me if you'd be interested in working on this. If so, we'll need to
> > decide on how to proceed, what format to use, what resolutions to
> develop,
> > how we could automate converstion of colors to get a light version of the
> > set and high-contrast versions, etc.
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>
> So Call for opinion and judgment : Say what you think about the idea !
>
> Kévin
>
> 2011/12/11 Tobias Bernard <[hidden email]>
>
> > i'm in.
> >
> > regarding tools and formats, i think inkscape + svg is the best solution
> > for the reasons mentioned here:
> > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Collaboration
> >
> > tobias
> >
> >
> > 2011/12/11 Mirek M. <[hidden email]>
> >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > > I want to talk about making a new icon set, if people here are up for
> it.
> > > The icon set would be much simpler than the current one, all icons
> > > utilizing only two colors. I'm bringing up the idea because I'd like to
> > > modernize the icon set.
> > > Here's the whiteboard:
> > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Flat_icon_set .
> > > Tell me if you'd be interested in working on this. If so, we'll need to
> > > decide on how to proceed, what format to use, what resolutions to
> > develop,
> > > how we could automate converstion of colors to get a light version of
> the
> > > set and high-contrast versions, etc.
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> Hi everyone,
> I've never made an icon set, and if we want to produce one, we need to
> ensure that it is quality and consistent. We need an experienced icon
> designer to coordinate this effort -- anyone up for that role?
>
> 2012/2/2 Kévin PEIGNOT<[hidden email]>
>
>> Sorry for all this time since my last mail...
>>
>> So I think we really should design a new icon set. The very first point is
>> to brainstorm do we really want the icon set to be bi-color based according
>> to Mirek proposal. Personnaly, I think yes, because it can help a lot a
>> basic user who don't know what icon he search, but know what it's for.
>
>> Then, I'm sure some people will hate that, so maybe we should also have to
>> decide ifthe actual way to change icon set (Tools>Options>display I suppose
>> (Outils>Options>Affichage in French) is enough. It's not difficult, but is
>> it enough discoverable ?
>>
> I would downplay icon customization, not because I want to force users into
> a single icon set, but because sustaining a single icon set (or, rather,
> four icon sets derived from a single one: dark, light, dark mono, and light
> mono) will be much easier than sustaining several. If we're striving to
> make a quality native LibreOffice for Android, we're going to have to make
> an icon for just about every command in LibreOffice and the set will have
> to be monochrome, to conform to Android's design guidelines. And if we
> focus on a single icon set instead of four, we'll have one awesome icon set
> instead of several mediocre ones.
>
> To make icons conform to the design guidelines of a specific OS, we could
> use this one set as the basis of a specific one -- add shadows, change
> lighting, etc. It's much easier to work from mono- or di-chrome icon sets
> than from complex, multicolored ones.
>
> That said, I would prefer if icon themes were treated as extensions rather
> than having a few sets hard-coded into LibreOffice with no obvious way to
> add or remove them.
>
>> So Call for opinion and judgment : Say what you think about the idea !
>>
>> Kévin
>>
>> 2011/12/11 Tobias Bernard<[hidden email]>
>>
>>> i'm in.
>>>
>>> regarding tools and formats, i think inkscape + svg is the best solution
>>> for the reasons mentioned here:
>>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Collaboration
>>>
>>> tobias
>>>
>>>
>>> 2011/12/11 Mirek M.<[hidden email]>
>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>> I want to talk about making a new icon set, if people here are up for
>> it.
>>>> The icon set would be much simpler than the current one, all icons
>>>> utilizing only two colors. I'm bringing up the idea because I'd like to
>>>> modernize the icon set.
>>>> Here's the whiteboard:
>>>> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Flat_icon_set .
>>>> Tell me if you'd be interested in working on this. If so, we'll need to
>>>> decide on how to proceed, what format to use, what resolutions to
>>> develop,
>>>> how we could automate converstion of colors to get a light version of
>> the
>>>> set and high-contrast versions, etc.
>>>>
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> Hi all,
>
> > I don't know how feasible this would be, but IMHO it would be great if LO
> > could use some of the systems icons. I don't know whether thats possible
> on
> > Win or Mac OS, but on Linux, the systems icon could be used which would
> > adapt to icon theme changes.
>
> On Linux, it would probably be feasible if someone worked on
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30425 first.
>
> On other systems, using the OS icons is probably not an option, because:
> * on Windows, icons tend to be in DLL's and EXE's (not extractable or
> reliable)
> * on Mac OS ... I don't know, I guess the icon are compiled into the
> binaries, too.
>
>
> >> That said, I would prefer if icon themes were treated as extensions
> rather
> >> than having a few sets hard-coded into LibreOffice with no obvious way
> to
> >> add or remove them.
>
> The developers see that similarly ... I believe there's an Easy Hack
> somewhere, too.
>
> Astron.
>
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> Hi
>
> I don't think using system icons would be a good idea : except it could be
> more integrated, it would break the logic behind mono/bi-chrome icons and
> color codes (see Mirek proposal :
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Flat_icon_set, I
> personally am a supporter of this one ).
>
> More of that, having OS icons only for GNU/Lunx Libreoffice versions would
> be a useless amount of work (to verify it works fine, it uses the good icon
> ...). So we should maintain one and only one icon set, with the possibility
> for the user to change it if he wants, but others icons sets wouldn't be
> officially supported (extensions ? )
>
> Kévin
>
> 2012/2/6 Stefan Knorr (Astron) <[hidden email]>
>
> Hi all,
>>
>> > I don't know how feasible this would be, but IMHO it would be great if
>> LO
>> > could use some of the systems icons. I don't know whether thats
>> possible on
>> > Win or Mac OS, but on Linux, the systems icon could be used which would
>> > adapt to icon theme changes.
>>
>> On Linux, it would probably be feasible if someone worked on
>> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30425 first.
>>
>> On other systems, using the OS icons is probably not an option, because:
>> * on Windows, icons tend to be in DLL's and EXE's (not extractable or
>> reliable)
>> * on Mac OS ... I don't know, I guess the icon are compiled into the
>> binaries, too.
>>
>>
>> >> That said, I would prefer if icon themes were treated as extensions
>> rather
>> >> than having a few sets hard-coded into LibreOffice with no obvious way
>> to
>> >> add or remove them.
>>
>> The developers see that similarly ... I believe there's an Easy Hack
>> somewhere, too.
>>
>> Astron.
>>
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>

> Currently,
> none of the themes meet that definition, as all of them lack icons for
> certain actions. That's one of the reasons why I am not exactly 100%
> behind creating a completely new icon set – I think, fixing Tango
> should go first. Why? Tango may not be everyone's favourite theme
> (neither are monochrome icons, ... I digress), but
> a) it has an established visual style
> b) it's not so hard to find free/license-compliant Tango icons on the internet
> c) the theme already exists and only needs extending and updating.
> Nevertheless, if people come up with a new, substantial set of quality
> icons, I'll do my best to get it into LibO.

>> On 15 February 2012 13:50, Charles-H.Schulz
>> <[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>
>>> - Do we want a reference set of icons?
>>
>> Mostly, we want to have a well-maintained set of icons.
>
> Weither it is called "reference set", or "well-maintained set", I
> strongly agree to the general idea here.
>
>> Currently,
>> none of the themes meet that definition, as all of them lack icons for
>> certain actions. That's one of the reasons why I am not exactly 100%
>> behind creating a completely new icon set – I think, fixing Tango
>> should go first. Why? Tango may not be everyone's favourite theme
>> (neither are monochrome icons, ... I digress), but
>> a) it has an established visual style
>> b) it's not so hard to find free/license-compliant Tango icons on the internet
>> c) the theme already exists and only needs extending and updating.
>> Nevertheless, if people come up with a new, substantial set of quality
>> icons, I'll do my best to get it into LibO.
>
> Well, I'd like to add two additional thoughts here:
>        * If we stick with Tango, we might loose some people interested in
>          icon design, since working on something established is usually
>          less desired than creating something new. But, since creating
>          something new (a huge set in a good quality) is an enormous
>          task, going for Tango seems indeed better.
>        * I know from talks with Stella (the designer of the e.g. Galaxy
>          icon set for OpenOffice.org) that she needed lots (!) of time to
>          cope with the enormous number of icons and thus "unique"
>          metaphors. So working on an existing set will help us to create
>          a basis for a new set.
>

> Þann mán 20.feb 2012 20:00, skrifaði Christoph Noack:
> -----------
>
>  Am Mittwoch, den 15.02.2012, 14:08 +0100 schrieb Stefan Knorr (Astron):
>>
> -----------
>
>> On 15 February 2012 13:50, Charles-H.Schulz
>>> <charles.schulz@**documentfoundation.org<[hidden email]>>
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>  - Do we want a reference set of icons?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Mostly, we want to have a well-maintained set of icons.
>>>
>>
>> Weither it is called "reference set", or "well-maintained set", I
>> strongly agree to the general idea here.
>>
>>  Currently,
>>> none of the themes meet that definition, as all of them lack icons for
>>> certain actions. That's one of the reasons why I am not exactly 100%
>>> behind creating a completely new icon set – I think, fixing Tango
>>> should go first. Why? Tango may not be everyone's favourite theme
>>> (neither are monochrome icons, ... I digress), but
>>> a) it has an established visual style
>>> b) it's not so hard to find free/license-compliant Tango icons on the
>>> internet
>>> c) the theme already exists and only needs extending and updating.
>>> Nevertheless, if people come up with a new, substantial set of quality
>>> icons, I'll do my best to get it into LibO.
>>>
>>
>> Well, I'd like to add two additional thoughts here:
>>       * If we stick with Tango, we might loose some people interested in
>>         icon design, since working on something established is usually
>>         less desired than creating something new. But, since creating
>>         something new (a huge set in a good quality) is an enormous
>>         task, going for Tango seems indeed better.
>>       * I know from talks with Stella (the designer of the e.g. Galaxy
>>         icon set for OpenOffice.org) that she needed lots (!) of time to
>>         cope with the enormous number of icons and thus "unique"
>>         metaphors. So working on an existing set will help us to create
>>         a basis for a new set.
>>
>>  -------------------
>
>
>> However, since we discuss this issue from time to time, wouldn't it be
>> helpful to document a decision by the Design Team? But, of course, this
>> needs some consensus ... basically, it is a sub-decision about the
>> general visual design of LibO. Opinions, anyone?
>>
>
> Some (humble) feedback:
>
> I think a good first step would be to clearly document all the icons
> needed in LibreOffice, naming conventions and other criteria (size, uses,
> fileformat, etc...) Maybe the result could be a sort of icon-map table
> (similar to a character map) for LibreOffice. Maybe this exists already but
> I haven't found it yet. There's some useful info on <https://wiki.**
> documentfoundation.org/Design/**Whiteboards/LibreOffice_**Initial_Icons<https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/LibreOffice_Initial_Icons>
> >.
>

>
> Working on a couple of existing icon sets (Tango + Oxygen?) should not be
> that difficult if there are good design guidelines for each and if
> interested people could easily see which icons are missing.
>
> Then there might be work on new sets; personally I would never use a
> monochrome set (even with some integrated color coding) - but I admire
> Mirek's design in its simplicity and I think it will appeal to many people.
> Guess my visual detectors are spoiled with colors and forms ;-)
>

> Finally; even though the compilation/creation of icon themes for
> LibreOffice should be coordinated at LO/TDF, shouldn't we explore the
> possibility of doing the actual design in cooperation with other
> icon-design sites, especially for the existing themes ?
>
> Just thoughts.
>
> Best regards,
> Sveinn í Felli
>
>

>
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> > I think a good first step would be to clearly document all the icons
> > needed in LibreOffice, naming conventions and other criteria (size, uses,
> > fileformat, etc...) Maybe the result could be a sort of icon-map table
> > (similar to a character map) for LibreOffice. Maybe this exists already
> but
> > I haven't found it yet. There's some useful info on <https://wiki.**
> > documentfoundation.org/Design/**Whiteboards/LibreOffice_**Initial_Icons<
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/LibreOffice_Initial_Icons
> >
> > >.
> >
> >I agree, maybe we should use a wikipage for that (Something like that
> >http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/NeededIcons<http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/NeededIcons>- Scuse
> >me I don't have time to make more today but it's a starting point)
>

> >
> > > I think a good first step would be to clearly document all the icons
> > > needed in LibreOffice, naming conventions and other criteria (size,
> uses,
> > > fileformat, etc...) Maybe the result could be a sort of icon-map table
> > > (similar to a character map) for LibreOffice. Maybe this exists already
> > but
> > > I haven't found it yet. There's some useful info on <https://wiki.**
> > >
> documentfoundation.org/Design/**Whiteboards/LibreOffice_**Initial_Icons<
> >
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/LibreOffice_Initial_Icons
> > >
> > > >.
> > >
> > >I agree, maybe we should use a wikipage for that (Something like that
> > >http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/NeededIcons<
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/NeededIcons>- Scuse
> > >me I don't have time to make more today but it's a starting point)
> >
>
> Yes, I believe this will be a good idea and we can have guidelines for
> reference.
>
>
>
> >
> > >The institutional and Darkish ones, as they are monochrome, can be
> > >considered as One icon set to design I suppose, just changing their
> colour
> > >then... Maybe changing color is possible within the software (having a
> > >basic icon, and software change it's color automatically ?) The colorful
> > >one can stay the Tango one in my way (even if I prefer Human)
> >
> > >And we mustn't forget the High Contrast one
> >
>
>
> IMO, as we are an office suite, our final icon set should match an
> institutional need of icons. In my opinion, dark, sober and sharp
> monochrome icons qualify with this requirement. Thus, I feel, that the
> icons must be of monochrome nature.
>

>
> Also the basic icons visible in the this Citrus Mockup (
> http://cdn.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/find1.png) look
> clean
> to me.
>
> Again, this is a personal view and choice may vary from person to person.
>
>
> In terms of implementation, i believe that it would be a save of time and
> effort if we begin with using an existing theme. I am not sure if we have a
> tool which could apply some property (say something like a monochrome layer
> over the icon) across an entire icon set, and I will do some research into
> this. If we do manage to get this as a script, we could run it to create
> mono-chrome versions of a few icon-themes like tango, and then see the
> result and choose and modify accordingly.
>

>
> (The script idea may be a bit naive and I am not sure of the intricacies
> involved, but I am willing to work for this if I get a positive response).
>
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