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New "LibreOffice Reader" Eliminates Need for "PDF Reader"

OK, this is just a teaser to entice people into a discussion of the
following proposal.

There is talk on the documentation list of the formats made available to
users of our documents (manuals, reference books, etc). These for now
are in .odt (ODF) and .pdf (Adobe) and possibly .html (being discussed
on the documentation list).

The purpose of this particular thread is NOT to continue the
documentation thread on the merits of providing particular formats. If
you are interested in taking this up, it is already being discussed on
the documentation list.

This thread is really about proposing, to the devs, the possibility of
creating a "LibreOffice Reader" similar to the "Adobe .pdf Reader". The
idea is that, we are in a particularly advantageous position of
providing an excellent popular office suite with a solid and well
documented format (ODF) and, if we were to promote a "quick and dirty"
"LibreOffice Reader", very much like the "Adobe Acrobat Reader", whose
sole purpose is to provide the ability to "read" ".odt" files, there
would be no need to carry .pdf formatted files.

I would like to propose the following for discussion:

The "LibreOffice Reader" would have the following characteristics:

* small footprint
* capable of reading ODF formatted files ONLY and .odt in particular
* only capable of reading and form filling, NO editing capabilities
(these are left to the expertise of the LibreOffice suite)
* be able to interpret any of the LibreOffice "highlighting" effects and
"weblinking" abilities
* as much as possible code should not stray too far from the LibreOffice
code in order to avoid a new divergent branch of software
* TDF adopt "LibreOffice Reader" as its first secondary software project

If, such a project were adopted, LibreOffice could then be adapted in
such a way as to complement the "LibreOffice Reader", very much like the
relationship of the Adobe Acrobat list of software ("Acrobat X Pro"
etc.) and their relationship with "Acrobat Reader". The LibreOffice
suite could have added functionality that would be compatible with the
"LibreOffice Reader" and offer interested users, an opensource
alternative to the .pdf format.

Cheers

Marc


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On 23 June 2011 22:40, Marc Paré <[hidden email]> wrote:

> OK, this is just a teaser to entice people into a discussion of the
> following proposal.
>
> There is talk on the documentation list of the formats made available to
> users of our documents (manuals, reference books, etc). These for now are in
> .odt (ODF) and .pdf (Adobe) and possibly .html (being discussed on the
> documentation list).
>
> The purpose of this particular thread is NOT to continue the documentation
> thread on the merits of providing particular formats. If you are interested
> in taking this up, it is already being discussed on the documentation list.
>
> This thread is really about proposing, to the devs, the possibility of
> creating a "LibreOffice Reader" similar to the "Adobe .pdf Reader". The idea
> is that, we are in a particularly advantageous position of providing an
> excellent popular office suite with a solid and well documented format (ODF)
> and, if we were to promote a "quick and dirty" "LibreOffice Reader", very
> much like the "Adobe Acrobat Reader", whose sole purpose is to provide the
> ability to "read" ".odt" files, there would be no need to carry .pdf
> formatted files.
>
> I would like to propose the following for discussion:
>
> The "LibreOffice Reader" would have the following characteristics:
>
> * small footprint
> * capable of reading ODF formatted files ONLY and .odt in particular
> * only capable of reading and form filling, NO editing capabilities (these
> are left to the expertise of the LibreOffice suite)
> * be able to interpret any of the LibreOffice "highlighting" effects and
> "weblinking" abilities
> * as much as possible code should not stray too far from the LibreOffice
> code in order to avoid a new divergent branch of software
> * TDF adopt "LibreOffice Reader" as its first secondary software project
>
> If, such a project were adopted, LibreOffice could then be adapted in such
> a way as to complement the "LibreOffice Reader", very much like the
> relationship of the Adobe Acrobat list of software ("Acrobat X Pro" etc.)
> and their relationship with "Acrobat Reader". The LibreOffice suite could
> have added functionality that would be compatible with the "LibreOffice
> Reader" and offer interested users, an opensource alternative to the .pdf
> format.
>
> Cheers
>
> Marc
>

Main problem is you are effectively competing with MS Office readers that do
a similar job wit .doc but have never displaced pdf. So I think the chances
of a LibO reader displacing pdf are not very high.
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--- On Thu, 6/23/11, Marc Paré <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Marc Paré <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [tdf-discuss] New "LibreOffice Reader" Eliminates Need for "PDF Reader"
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Thursday, June 23, 2011, 2:40 PM
> OK, this is just a teaser to entice
> people into a discussion of the following proposal.
>
> There is talk on the documentation list of the formats made
> available to users of our documents (manuals, reference
> books, etc). These for now are in .odt (ODF) and .pdf
> (Adobe) and possibly .html (being discussed on the
> documentation list).
>
> The purpose of this particular thread is NOT to continue
> the documentation thread on the merits of providing
> particular formats. If you are interested in taking this up,
> it is already being discussed on the documentation list.
>
> This thread is really about proposing, to the devs, the
> possibility of creating a "LibreOffice Reader" similar to
> the "Adobe .pdf Reader". The idea is that, we are in a
> particularly advantageous position of providing an excellent
> popular office suite with a solid and well documented format
> (ODF) and, if we were to promote a "quick and dirty"
> "LibreOffice Reader", very much like the "Adobe Acrobat
> Reader", whose sole purpose is to provide the ability to
> "read" ".odt" files, there would be no need to carry .pdf
> formatted files.
>
> I would like to propose the following for discussion:
>
> The "LibreOffice Reader" would have the following
> characteristics:
>
> * small footprint
> * capable of reading ODF formatted files ONLY and .odt in
> particular
> * only capable of reading and form filling, NO editing
> capabilities (these are left to the expertise of the
> LibreOffice suite)
> * be able to interpret any of the LibreOffice
> "highlighting" effects and "weblinking" abilities
> * as much as possible code should not stray too far from
> the LibreOffice code in order to avoid a new divergent
> branch of software
> * TDF adopt "LibreOffice Reader" as its first secondary
> software project
>
> If, such a project were adopted, LibreOffice could then be
> adapted in such a way as to complement the "LibreOffice
> Reader", very much like the relationship of the Adobe
> Acrobat list of software ("Acrobat X Pro" etc.) and their
> relationship with "Acrobat Reader". The LibreOffice suite
> could have added functionality that would be compatible with
> the "LibreOffice Reader" and offer interested users, an
> opensource alternative to the .pdf format.
>
> Cheers
>
> Marc


Marc,

Idea sounds good, but there is also another competitor out there to the famous PDF :

http://djvu.sourceforge.net/

How about adding editing/viewing djvu compatibility to LibreOffice too?

I for one (except under windows) use evince/okular/xpdf or other free viewers out there as opposed to using Acrobat Reader :)  Having LibreOffice open word/excel/powerpoint/pdf is excellent, but adding djvu will also enhance it and make it even better (others don't have this capability).  But keep the full suite, don't worry about a reader some folks already have a odt/doc/xls viewer on the windows side:

http://www.officeviewers.com/

Someone mentioned this, I think that it would be not necessary to ask programmer to make a reader?  Doing more work when other similar software exists?
Unless if that software is (NOT FREE)/(OPEN SOURCE), there would be little to no gains if a LibreOffice Reader is created?  

BTW
I am a LibreOffice user not a programmer and happily use it on Windows, Linux, and FreeBSD.  

Just my $0.02.

Regards,


Antonio

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Hi Antonio

Le 2011-06-23 18:05, Antonio Olivares a écrit :

>
> Marc,
>
> Idea sounds good, but there is also another competitor out there to the famous PDF :
>
> http://djvu.sourceforge.net/
>
> How about adding editing/viewing djvu compatibility to LibreOffice too?
>
> I for one (except under windows) use evince/okular/xpdf or other free viewers out there as opposed to using Acrobat Reader :)  Having LibreOffice open word/excel/powerpoint/pdf is excellent, but adding djvu will also enhance it and make it even better (others don't have this capability).  But keep the full suite, don't worry about a reader some folks already have a odt/doc/xls viewer on the windows side:
>
> http://www.officeviewers.com/
>
> Someone mentioned this, I think that it would be not necessary to ask programmer to make a reader?  Doing more work when other similar software exists?
> Unless if that software is (NOT FREE)/(OPEN SOURCE), there would be little to no gains if a LibreOffice Reader is created?
>
> BTW
> I am a LibreOffice user not a programmer and happily use it on Windows, Linux, and FreeBSD.
>
> Just my $0.02.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Antonio
>
I also use Okular, although, I have found some cases where it would not
print some .pdf's correctly. Djvu is neat, however, it is still
struggling trying to make headway in being adopted.

I think it was mentioned that there were at one point over 100 million
LibreOffice/OOo users. If we were to develop our own "LibreOffice
Reader" we would already have 100 million potential users for our
product. Not only that, the LibreOffice Reader would be compatible with
the LibreOffice suite and possibly code. This would give the LibO Reader
a good start.

Cheers

Marc

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On 23 Jun 2011, at 23:32, Marc Paré wrote:

>
>
> I think it was mentioned that there were at one point over 100 million LibreOffice/OOo users. If we were to develop our own "LibreOffice Reader" we would already have 100 million potential users for our product. Not only that, the LibreOffice Reader would be compatible with the LibreOffice suite and possibly code. This would give the LibO Reader a good start.


ODF and PDF are actually complementary. One is a format for editable documents, the other is a format for final-form documents. I suggest that the best path forward would be to seek a single, lightweight, cross-platform reader for both formats. That would address by far the largest opportunity.

S.


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On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 17:40 -0400, Marc Paré wrote:
> OK, this is just a teaser to entice people into a discussion of the
> following proposal.
>
> There is talk on the documentation list of the formats made available to
> users of our documents (manuals, reference books, etc). These for now
> are in .odt (ODF) and .pdf (Adobe) and possibly .html (being discussed
> on the documentation list).

Hi Marc,

Well when you say .pdf you mean a file descriptor.

How about we rather talk about ISO 3200-1, a standard often called PDF
1.7.

Perhaps we could talk about PDF/A as a standard. (Laughing, that is sure
to get a response...)

OK - so a LibreOffice reader? I would say what about an ODF reader and
there are already a few:
http://odf-viewer.findmysoft.com/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/odfreader/

Then there are a few for mobile platforms: Android, iOS and Palm

The root problem IMO is that ODF isn't designed to do what PDF is
designed to do, meaning simply that each has a place and a purpose.

But that doesn't there isn't some room for an ODF reader with some tie
in with LibreOffice branding, per se.

Just my thought on this anyway.

<big snip>

Thanks,

Drew


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http://www.debian.org/News/2011/20110623

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Marc Paré wrote:
> This thread is really about proposing, to the devs, the possibility of
> creating a "LibreOffice Reader" similar to the "Adobe .pdf Reader".

This could be an idea to investigate, but I don't know how feasible it
is; actually there is (or used to be) a "read only" mode in
OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice, but if I recall correctly the
LibreOffice developers hated it.

> if we were to promote a "quick and dirty"
> "LibreOffice Reader", very much like the "Adobe Acrobat Reader", whose
> sole purpose is to provide the ability to "read" ".odt" files, there
> would be no need to carry .pdf formatted files.

This, however, won't work. Document fidelity is not the aim of ODT
files, while it is the aim of PDF files (example: font embedding, but
one could find many more). Replacing PDF by ODT is just not feasible due
to the formats themselves, not to the lack of an "ODF Reader".

Regards,
  Andrea.


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Simon Phipps wrote:

> On 23 Jun 2011, at 23:32, Marc Paré wrote:
>
>  
>> I think it was mentioned that there were at one point over 100 million LibreOffice/OOo users. If we were to develop our own "LibreOffice Reader" we would already have 100 million potential users for our product. Not only that, the LibreOffice Reader would be compatible with the LibreOffice suite and possibly code. This would give the LibO Reader a good start.
>>    
>
>
> ODF and PDF are actually complementary. One is a format for editable documents, the other is a format for final-form documents. I suggest that the best path forward would be to seek a single, lightweight, cross-platform reader for both formats. That would address by far the largest opportunity.
>
> S.
>  
IIRC Adobe Reader has bloated over the last couple of years from a very
lean program for reading PDF files to something very huge.  Also the
auto update updates versions all too frequently.

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Here is another free one (for Windows only)

http://www.officeviewers.com
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--- On Thu, 6/23/11, Marc Paré <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Marc Paré <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] New "LibreOffice Reader" Eliminates Need for "PDF Reader"
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Thursday, June 23, 2011, 3:32 PM
> Hi Antonio
>
> Le 2011-06-23 18:05, Antonio Olivares a écrit :
> >
> > Marc,
> >
> > Idea sounds good, but there is also another competitor
> out there to the famous PDF :
> >
> > http://djvu.sourceforge.net/
> >
> > How about adding editing/viewing djvu compatibility to
> LibreOffice too?
> >
> > I for one (except under windows) use
> evince/okular/xpdf or other free viewers out there as
> opposed to using Acrobat Reader :)  Having LibreOffice
> open word/excel/powerpoint/pdf is excellent, but adding djvu
> will also enhance it and make it even better (others don't
> have this capability).  But keep the full suite, don't
> worry about a reader some folks already have a odt/doc/xls
> viewer on the windows side:
> >
> > http://www.officeviewers.com/
> >
> > Someone mentioned this, I think that it would be not
> necessary to ask programmer to make a reader?  Doing
> more work when other similar software exists?
> > Unless if that software is (NOT FREE)/(OPEN SOURCE),
> there would be little to no gains if a LibreOffice Reader is
> created?
> >
> > BTW
> > I am a LibreOffice user not a programmer and happily
> use it on Windows, Linux, and FreeBSD.
> >
> > Just my $0.02.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> > Antonio
> >
> I also use Okular, although, I have found some cases where
> it would not
> print some .pdf's correctly. Djvu is neat, however, it is
> still
> struggling trying to make headway in being adopted.
>
> I think it was mentioned that there were at one point over
> 100 million
> LibreOffice/OOo users. If we were to develop our own
> "LibreOffice
> Reader" we would already have 100 million potential users
> for our
> product. Not only that, the LibreOffice Reader would be
> compatible with
> the LibreOffice suite and possibly code. This would give
> the LibO Reader
> a good start.
>
> Cheers
>
> Marc
>
> --

@Mark & others

I like the idea, don't get me wrong.  But sadly it is hard for developers out there to make just a viewer when some other folks have that :( already.  It would be nice if more people, sed -i 's|people|users|g' out there would use the OpenDocument format (*.odt) and not pdf to share documents, then the idea would become more intriguing.  This new viewer would have to compete against those viewers that exist plus Google Docs :(, which I don't know if it* supports OpenDocument Format (*.odt) files?  

Sadly, it is *very difficult* to change people's minds when it comes to document standards and formats.  I agree with folks that mention that Adobe has become a **bloated monster** that used to be lean and excellent, and with its increasing bloat there also comes security issues and constant updates :(  

My $0.04 (previous $0.02 + this $0.02) don't add sales tax please :)

Regards,

Antonio


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On 2011-06-24, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

> Marc Paré wrote:
>> if we were to promote a "quick and dirty"
>> "LibreOffice Reader", very much like the "Adobe Acrobat Reader", whose
>> sole purpose is to provide the ability to "read" ".odt" files, there
>> would be no need to carry .pdf formatted files.

Heh. :-) Don't use Adobe Reader as an example of a "reader", use
instead some other PDF reader with a reasonable memory and disk space
footprint. (Unless that's what you meant by "quick and dirty".)

> This, however, won't work. Document fidelity is not the aim of ODT
> files, while it is the aim of PDF files (example: font embedding, but
> one could find many more). Replacing PDF by ODT is just not feasible due
> to the formats themselves, not to the lack of an "ODF Reader".

Font embedding is an issue, it could render the viewer useless.

It's possible, at least, to make some room for "compatible documents",
by shipping a set of fonts with the viewer and announcing that as the
"standard fonts" for ODF viewer.

Unless there's some required feature of ODT that's not possible to
reproduce in PDF, I suggest keeping with PDF for now: it is designed for
portability and it's vectorial, so there's no loss.


Someone suggested djvu (DeJaVU). I like djvu, I use it and I and spread
the word about it, but IMHO it's main use is for scanned documents
(making it so entire books can fit in a floppy!).

Even if a pdf is larger than a djvu for the same document, if it was
directly exported to pdf, it's vectorial. Converting to djvu makes it
raster. IMHO that's a bad idea. YMMV.

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> @Mark&  others
>
> I like the idea, don't get me wrong.  But sadly it is hard for developers out there to make just a viewer when some other folks have that :( already.  It would be nice if more people, sed -i 's|people|users|g' out there would use the OpenDocument format (*.odt) and not pdf to share documents, then the idea would become more intriguing.  This new viewer would have to compete against those viewers that exist plus Google Docs :(, which I don't know if it* supports OpenDocument Format (*.odt) files?
>
> Sadly, it is *very difficult* to change people's minds when it comes to document standards and formats.  I agree with folks that mention that Adobe has become a **bloated monster** that used to be lean and excellent, and with its increasing bloat there also comes security issues and constant updates :(
>
> My $0.04 (previous $0.02 + this $0.02) don't add sales tax please :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Antonio
>
>
It does seem that we already have a "usership" 100 million users. If
this is true, then that would in itself make for a good base of users to
create such a piece of software. As we are opensource, there is nothing
wrong with if other folks alread have a viewer. However, the upside, is
that our viewer would come from the makers of the actual pices of
software from which people make the most use of the ODF.

Cheers

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> Simon Phipps wrote:
>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 23:32, Marc Paré wrote:
>>
>>> I think it was mentioned that there were at one point over 100
>>> million LibreOffice/OOo users. If we were to develop our own
>>> "LibreOffice Reader" we would already have 100 million potential
>>> users for our product. Not only that, the LibreOffice Reader would
>>> be compatible with the LibreOffice suite and possibly code. This
>>> would give the LibO Reader a good start.
>>
>>
>> ODF and PDF are actually complementary. One is a format for editable
>> documents, the other is a format for final-form documents. I suggest
>> that the best path forward would be to seek a single, lightweight,
>> cross-platform reader for both formats. That would address by far the
>> largest opportunity.
>>
>> S.
> IIRC Adobe Reader has bloated over the last couple of years from a
> very lean program for reading PDF files to something very huge.  Also
> the auto update updates versions all too frequently.

I can't see a reason for which we could not create a competitive product
that does not align itself with Adobre Reader. Our user base will create
enough initial impetus to create a need as well as create buzz over the
software.

Cheers

Marc

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Re: New "LibreOffice Reader" Eliminates Need for "PDF Reader"

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> On Thu, 2011-06-23 at 17:40 -0400, Marc Paré wrote:
>> OK, this is just a teaser to entice people into a discussion of the
>> following proposal.
>>
>> There is talk on the documentation list of the formats made available to
>> users of our documents (manuals, reference books, etc). These for now
>> are in .odt (ODF) and .pdf (Adobe) and possibly .html (being discussed
>> on the documentation list).
> Hi Marc,
>
> Well when you say .pdf you mean a file descriptor.
>
> How about we rather talk about ISO 3200-1, a standard often called PDF
> 1.7.
>
> Perhaps we could talk about PDF/A as a standard. (Laughing, that is sure
> to get a response...)
>
> OK - so a LibreOffice reader? I would say what about an ODF reader and
> there are already a few:
> http://odf-viewer.findmysoft.com/
> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/odfreader/
>
> Then there are a few for mobile platforms: Android, iOS and Palm
>
> The root problem IMO is that ODF isn't designed to do what PDF is
> designed to do, meaning simply that each has a place and a purpose.
>
> But that doesn't there isn't some room for an ODF reader with some tie
> in with LibreOffice branding, per se.
>
> Just my thought on this anyway.
>
> <big snip>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Drew
>
>
Thanks, this in itself does support my point. Plus there is nothing to
stop LibreOffice from being innovative and eventually serve up a piece
of software that does exactly serve up the same quality of document as
.pdf and at the same time allow for the editing of this standard through
the regular use of ODF. We do have the user support and I am not sure,
but our dev numbers are up and I think that this would make quite an
interesting and exciting project to add to the TDF line of products.

Plus, the LibreOffice Reader would be available from the makers of the
LibreOffice Suite group. There is nothing better than to offer up a
family of software products that play well together and opensource as well.

Cheers

Marc

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I personally feel we have more important set of priorities than diversifying
right now into PDF reader. Also no point inventing the wheel again when
there are several open source pdf readers available which we can integrate
instead of developing one of our own.

Won't it be a better idea to collaborate with one of the groups supporting
the pdf readers available in Linux distros ...Such cooperation will help
everyone focus on their core competencies.

My 2 cents !

Thank You

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On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Marc Paré <[hidden email]> wrote:

> and at the same time allow for the editing of this standard through the
> regular use of ODF. We do have the user support and I am not sure, but our
> dev numbers are up and I think that this would make quite an interesting and
> exciting project to add to the TDF line of products.
>

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Re: New "LibreOffice Reader" Eliminates Need for "PDF Reader"

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> Marc Paré wrote:
>> This thread is really about proposing, to the devs, the possibility of
>> creating a "LibreOffice Reader" similar to the "Adobe .pdf Reader".
> This could be an idea to investigate, but I don't know how feasible it
> is; actually there is (or used to be) a "read only" mode in
> OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice, but if I recall correctly the
> LibreOffice developers hated it.
>
>> if we were to promote a "quick and dirty"
>> "LibreOffice Reader", very much like the "Adobe Acrobat Reader", whose
>> sole purpose is to provide the ability to "read" ".odt" files, there
>> would be no need to carry .pdf formatted files.
> This, however, won't work. Document fidelity is not the aim of ODT
> files, while it is the aim of PDF files (example: font embedding, but
> one could find many more). Replacing PDF by ODT is just not feasible due
> to the formats themselves, not to the lack of an "ODF Reader".
>
> Regards,
>    Andrea.
>
>
The initial use of the "LibreOffice Reader" would be just a plain
reader, the challenge after this would be to try to build as much
document fidelity into it as possible. Again, with the hopes to rival
.pdf fidelity. Maybe once all the devs put their heads together, they
may come up with some way to do this. Let's not forget that the Djvu
people accomplished this to some extent. If we were to work at it we
could surprise everyone. There is always the possibility of submitting
any changes to the ODF, that could enhance the formats, through the
possible channels at the ISO and OASIS of which we are members.

Cheers

Marc

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Re: New "LibreOffice Reader" Eliminates Need for "PDF Reader"

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Le 2011-06-23 17:48, Ian Lynch a écrit :
>
> Main problem is you are effectively competing with MS Office readers that do
> a similar job wit .doc but have never displaced pdf. So I think the chances
> of a LibO reader displacing pdf are not very high.

IMO, we can take into account the MSO readers, but the question is to
try compete with a more proven product and not worry about one that we
all complain as being inferior. Perhaps the reason it has not been
adopted is the quality of results.

Cheers

Marc

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Re: New "LibreOffice Reader" Eliminates Need for "PDF Reader"

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Le 2011-06-23 22:59, Varun Mittal a écrit :

> I personally feel we have more important set of priorities than diversifying
> right now into PDF reader. Also no point inventing the wheel again when
> there are several open source pdf readers available which we can integrate
> instead of developing one of our own.
>
> Won't it be a better idea to collaborate with one of the groups supporting
> the pdf readers available in Linux distros ...Such cooperation will help
> everyone focus on their core competencies.
>
> My 2 cents !
>
> Thank You
>
> Best Regards
> Varun Mittal

This is just to discuss the topic not to commit to it. Why should we
make use of another document format when we are trying to promote a
competing document format? If we can, then we could try to offer
complementary software as in our own in-house reader and then "raise the
bar" by trying to accomplish the quality achieved in .pdf format.

Cheers

Marc

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Varun Mittal wrote:
> I personally feel we have more important set of priorities than diversifying
> right now into PDF reader. Also no point inventing the wheel again when
> there are several open source pdf readers available which we can integrate
> instead of developing one of our own.
>
>  
I am wondering do any of the open source pdf readers mentioned above
work with Windows or are they all Linux, I mostly use Windows.  What I
meant by HUGE when I referred to Adobe Reader was the more than 6 Gigs
of hard drive space it takes up!  By contrast all of the LibreOffice
suite of programs takes up 475 Megs of space.  That means that a mere
reader takes up more than a dozen times the space of an entire office
suite.  If that isn't mega-bloat I don't know what is.   It has been a
long time, but I seem to remember Adobe Reader only taking 12 Megs of
space at one time.  It used to come included on almost all driver disks,
now it is just too big for that.

> Won't it be a better idea to collaborate with one of the groups supporting
> the pdf readers available in Linux distros ...Such cooperation will help
> everyone focus on their core competencies.
>
> My 2 cents !
>
> Thank You
>
> Best Regards
> Varun Mittal
>
>
>  
>> and at the same time allow for the editing of this standard through the
>> regular use of ODF. We do have the user support and I am not sure, but our
>> dev numbers are up and I think that this would make quite an interesting and
>> exciting project to add to the TDF line of products.
>>
>>    
>
>  


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