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I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able to open, amend, and save a document without any problem.    However, in the last week or so I can only open a document in read-only form.   To change the contents I have to open a copy for editing, save that under a different name, delete the original, and then rename the new document to fit in with my filing system.     This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that about the same time there was an automatic update to Windows 10, and there might be some incompatablity between the updated Windows and LibreOffice.    (I have since installed the latest update to LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the problem is still there).    However that is only a wild guess!     I would be grateful for your advice and a remedy
regards
M. Hely

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On 07/08/2017 05:56 AM, MICHAEL HELY wrote:
> I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able to open, amend, and save a document without any problem.    However, in the last week or so I can only open a document in read-only form.   To change the contents I have to open a copy for editing, save that under a different name, delete the original, and then rename the new document to fit in with my filing system.     This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
> The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that about the same time there was an automatic update to Windows 10, and there might be some incompatablity between the updated Windows and LibreOffice.    (I have since installed the latest update to LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the problem is still there).    However that is only a wild guess!     I would be grateful for your advice and a remedy
> regards
> M. Hely
>

I have not done this with Windows, but I know it works with Linux.

I would look into the "config" folder. If some configuration value is
set wrong, like opening as read-only instead of editable,  you will need
to have LibreOffice restore the config files to their default status.  
When LibreOffice installs, it creates certain folders. If some of these
folders are renamed, LibreOffice will try to replace them on its startup.

"Users/timothy/Application Data/LibreOffice/4/user/config"

In this folder location, "timothy" will be replaced with your user name
that you log into Windows 10 with.

What you should try is renaming the "config" folder to something like
"config-backup". Then open LibreOffice.  See if the read-only issue is
fixed.  If not, then it is some other folder than the config folder.

I know there was a simple set of documentation describing the specific
folder that may need to be "renamed", but I do not remember its location
online.



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On 07/08/2017 02:56 AM, MICHAEL HELY wrote:
> I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able to open, amend, and save a document without any problem.    However, in the last week or so I can only open a document in read-only form.   To change the contents I have to open a copy for editing, save that under a different name, delete the original, and then rename the new document to fit in with my filing system.     This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
> The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that about the same time there was an automatic update to Windows 10, and there might be some incompatablity between the updated Windows and LibreOffice.    (I have since installed the latest update to LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the problem is still there).    However that is only a wild guess!     I would be grateful for your advice and a remedy
> regards
> M. Hely
>
I have two basic questions:

 1. Have you confirmed the original file wasn't already "read-only"
    before attempting to open it?
 2. Are you opening files from the file system or directly from an email
    attachment?


These are things you have probably already thought of but I want to ask
anyway.  :)   I've run LibreOffice 5 on a couple of Windows 10 systems
and have been able to open, edit, and save documents without issue.

Peace...

"The Other" Tom

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Hi :)
There was a Win 10 update that messed up the permissions in one of the
places i volunteer at.

I have no idea how to fix it.  I think we went through each individual
folder to reset the permissions but that sounds like a very inefficient and
highly error-prone way of trying to fix it generally.  Still, 'everyone'
loves Windows.

Regards from
Tom :)



On 9 July 2017 at 17:46, Tom Williams <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 07/08/2017 02:56 AM, MICHAEL HELY wrote:
> > I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able to
> open, amend, and save a document without any problem.    However, in the
> last week or so I can only open a document in read-only form.   To change
> the contents I have to open a copy for editing, save that under a different
> name, delete the original, and then rename the new document to fit in with
> my filing system.     This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
> > The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that about the
> same time there was an automatic update to Windows 10, and there might be
> some incompatablity between the updated Windows and LibreOffice.    (I have
> since installed the latest update to LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the
> problem is still there).    However that is only a wild guess!     I would
> be grateful for your advice and a remedy
> > regards
> > M. Hely
> >
> I have two basic questions:
>
>  1. Have you confirmed the original file wasn't already "read-only"
>     before attempting to open it?
>  2. Are you opening files from the file system or directly from an email
>     attachment?
>
>
> These are things you have probably already thought of but I want to ask
> anyway.  :)   I've run LibreOffice 5 on a couple of Windows 10 systems
> and have been able to open, edit, and save documents without issue.
>
> Peace...
>
> "The Other" Tom
>
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> Stay with me... Sway with me.../
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Tom,

Not just windows. I had a similar problem with, I can't remember if it
was LibreOffice or OpenOffice on Linux years ago. After I installed it
as root, I discovered the system directory permissions were all changed
to 400 or some such - which means only the owner (root) can read them -
no write or execute for anybody. Needless to say, that brought my system
down and I too, had to do a lot of manual file permission changes. Thank
goodness for the "-R" argument to "chmod" to change all recursively.
 From then on, I always build/package programs as a normal user first,
not root. That way I get a lot of "Permission Denied" messages if some
package installation is ill-behaved. My packaging scripts also change
all package file permissions and owners to sane values before it is
packaged. Since I instituted this policy, I have not had my system
compromised by bad packages, and I build hundreds of them. Once bitten,
twice shy.

Girvin Herr



On 07/09/2017 02:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

> Hi :)
> There was a Win 10 update that messed up the permissions in one of the
> places i volunteer at.
>
> I have no idea how to fix it.  I think we went through each individual
> folder to reset the permissions but that sounds like a very inefficient and
> highly error-prone way of trying to fix it generally.  Still, 'everyone'
> loves Windows.
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
> On 9 July 2017 at 17:46, Tom Williams <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> On 07/08/2017 02:56 AM, MICHAEL HELY wrote:
>>> I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able to
>> open, amend, and save a document without any problem.    However, in the
>> last week or so I can only open a document in read-only form.   To change
>> the contents I have to open a copy for editing, save that under a different
>> name, delete the original, and then rename the new document to fit in with
>> my filing system.     This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
>>> The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that about the
>> same time there was an automatic update to Windows 10, and there might be
>> some incompatablity between the updated Windows and LibreOffice.    (I have
>> since installed the latest update to LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the
>> problem is still there).    However that is only a wild guess!     I would
>> be grateful for your advice and a remedy
>>> regards
>>> M. Hely
>>>
>> I have two basic questions:
>>
>>   1. Have you confirmed the original file wasn't already "read-only"
>>      before attempting to open it?
>>   2. Are you opening files from the file system or directly from an email
>>      attachment?
>>
>>
>> These are things you have probably already thought of but I want to ask
>> anyway.  :)   I've run LibreOffice 5 on a couple of Windows 10 systems
>> and have been able to open, edit, and save documents without issue.
>>
>> Peace...
>>
>> "The Other" Tom
>>
>> --
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>> Stay with me... Sway with me.../
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On 07/09/2017 02:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

> Hi :)
> There was a Win 10 update that messed up the permissions in one of the
> places i volunteer at.
>
> I have no idea how to fix it.  I think we went through each individual
> folder to reset the permissions but that sounds like a very
> inefficient and highly error-prone way of trying to fix it generally.
> Still, 'everyone' loves Windows.
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)

Wow. Craziness.   :)

Peace...

"The Other" Tom

>
>
>
> On 9 July 2017 at 17:46, Tom Williams <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     On 07/08/2017 02:56 AM, MICHAEL HELY wrote:
>     > I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able
>     to open, amend, and save a document without any problem.  
>     However, in the last week or so I can only open a document in
>     read-only form.   To change the contents I have to open a copy for
>     editing, save that under a different name, delete the original,
>     and then rename the new document to fit in with my filing system.
>        This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
>     > The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that
>     about the same time there was an automatic update to Windows 10,
>     and there might be some incompatablity between the updated Windows
>     and LibreOffice.    (I have since installed the latest update to
>     LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the problem is still there).  
>     However that is only a wild guess!     I would be grateful for
>     your advice and a remedy
>     > regards
>     > M. Hely
>     >
>     I have two basic questions:
>
>      1. Have you confirmed the original file wasn't already "read-only"
>         before attempting to open it?
>      2. Are you opening files from the file system or directly from an
>     email
>         attachment?
>
>
>     These are things you have probably already thought of but I want
>     to ask
>     anyway.  :)   I've run LibreOffice 5 on a couple of Windows 10 systems
>     and have been able to open, edit, and save documents without issue.
>
>     Peace...
>
>     "The Other" Tom
>
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Hi :)
One problem, once and experienced by just one person rarely compares with
the problems that abound on Windows.
Regards from
Tom :)

On 10 Jul 2017 15:29, "Tom Williams" <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 07/09/2017 02:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

> Hi :)
> There was a Win 10 update that messed up the permissions in one of the
> places i volunteer at.
>
> I have no idea how to fix it.  I think we went through each individual
> folder to reset the permissions but that sounds like a very
> inefficient and highly error-prone way of trying to fix it generally.
> Still, 'everyone' loves Windows.
>
> Regards from
> Tom :)

Wow. Craziness.   :)

Peace...

"The Other" Tom

>
>
>
> On 9 July 2017 at 17:46, Tom Williams <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>     On 07/08/2017 02:56 AM, MICHAEL HELY wrote:
>     > I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able
>     to open, amend, and save a document without any problem.
>     However, in the last week or so I can only open a document in
>     read-only form.   To change the contents I have to open a copy for
>     editing, save that under a different name, delete the original,
>     and then rename the new document to fit in with my filing system.
>        This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
>     > The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that
>     about the same time there was an automatic update to Windows 10,
>     and there might be some incompatablity between the updated Windows
>     and LibreOffice.    (I have since installed the latest update to
>     LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the problem is still there).
>     However that is only a wild guess!     I would be grateful for
>     your advice and a remedy
>     > regards
>     > M. Hely
>     >
>     I have two basic questions:
>
>      1. Have you confirmed the original file wasn't already "read-only"
>         before attempting to open it?
>      2. Are you opening files from the file system or directly from an
>     email
>         attachment?
>
>
>     These are things you have probably already thought of but I want
>     to ask
>     anyway.  :)   I've run LibreOffice 5 on a couple of Windows 10 systems
>     and have been able to open, edit, and save documents without issue.
>
>     Peace...
>
>     "The Other" Tom
>
>     --
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>     Stay with me... Sway with me.../
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I find it quite disturbing that someone stating an issue and, perhaps,
asking for help leads to a thread of Windows-bashing...  This is
particularly interesting, since I don't remember LibreOffice being a
competitor to Windows - although it seems to have about as many scripting
languages as Windows has [Microsoft] development languages...

In any case, I have run into several issues with the suite on both Windows
(macOS, but let's focus on the former), from Hardware Acceleration and
OpenCL simply not functioning (at all - which is awful on a Notebook on
Battery).  To tons of issues with Styles.  To epic performance issues on my
Notebook stemming from those awful Liberation Fonts (disappears when I
change font to Times or Arial, etc.).  Bad font rendering in the
applications (thin, patchy looking fonts... like something on a low res
PenTile display).  And the fact that the apps perform worse than both
Microsoft and Corel WordPerfect Office (both of which I own, so I can do
1:1 comparison on Windows).

I won't even talk about Linux, because that is clearly off-topic, and I'm
not sure how you people have extended this to Microsoft and Microsoft
Windows.  Is there nothing better to do with your time, and do you actually
wish this to be a place where people can have civil discussion and give
feedback without fear of the "Tear Down the Competition" reflex you're
exhibiting, here?

For fixing Permissions in Windows, you can go to the top level and simply
propagate the permission changes down.  It's not difficult.  It's worked
that way for about 2 decades (since at least NT4).

On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Tom Davies <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi :)
> One problem, once and experienced by just one person rarely compares with
> the problems that abound on Windows.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
> On 10 Jul 2017 15:29, "Tom Williams" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On 07/09/2017 02:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
> > Hi :)
> > There was a Win 10 update that messed up the permissions in one of the
> > places i volunteer at.
> >
> > I have no idea how to fix it.  I think we went through each individual
> > folder to reset the permissions but that sounds like a very
> > inefficient and highly error-prone way of trying to fix it generally.
> > Still, 'everyone' loves Windows.
> >
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
>
> Wow. Craziness.   :)
>
> Peace...
>
> "The Other" Tom
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9 July 2017 at 17:46, Tom Williams <[hidden email]
> > <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
> >
> >     On 07/08/2017 02:56 AM, MICHAEL HELY wrote:
> >     > I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able
> >     to open, amend, and save a document without any problem.
> >     However, in the last week or so I can only open a document in
> >     read-only form.   To change the contents I have to open a copy for
> >     editing, save that under a different name, delete the original,
> >     and then rename the new document to fit in with my filing system.
> >        This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
> >     > The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that
> >     about the same time there was an automatic update to Windows 10,
> >     and there might be some incompatablity between the updated Windows
> >     and LibreOffice.    (I have since installed the latest update to
> >     LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the problem is still there).
> >     However that is only a wild guess!     I would be grateful for
> >     your advice and a remedy
> >     > regards
> >     > M. Hely
> >     >
> >     I have two basic questions:
> >
> >      1. Have you confirmed the original file wasn't already "read-only"
> >         before attempting to open it?
> >      2. Are you opening files from the file system or directly from an
> >     email
> >         attachment?
> >
> >
> >     These are things you have probably already thought of but I want
> >     to ask
> >     anyway.  :)   I've run LibreOffice 5 on a couple of Windows 10
> systems
> >     and have been able to open, edit, and save documents without issue.
> >
> >     Peace...
> >
> >     "The Other" Tom
> >
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Hi :)
The request for help was about a problem that other people had after a
Windows update.  The person asking for help stated that they were using
Windows.

Solving a problem often requires pinpointing where the problem is to some
extent.  Sometimes it means trying a few things out.  In this particular
request for help the problem is typically the result of a full or flaky
hard-drive or a problem with the OS.  At this time, and given the
skill-level of the question we can probably rule-out 'obvious' hard-drive
problems.

So it made sense, in this case, to start pinpointing the issue by seeing if
fixing the folder's permissions in the OS solved the problem.

Apparently it did.  So it wasn't a LibreOffice problem (again) and was a
Windows problem (again).  LibreOffice often gets the blame when the problem
is really with Windows or MS Office.  Very few of the problems that people
ask about here have anything to do with LibreOffice itself but we usually
still manage to help fix the problem.

When there is a problem with Windows or MS Office users tend to blame
themselves for not updating enough, or updating too much or not having
bought the right version, or feeling like they should know better or that
they should have done some course or something or that they aren't using
the 'right' antivirus or that it must be because they are misusing the
computer somehow.  A lot of traditional technical support tends to
reinforce that "blame the user" culture or else they blame any
non-Microsoft thing or anything they are not familiar with.  By contrast we
tend to get the blame for just about anything however tenuous the link is
between LibreOffice and the problem.

So this wasn't about "Windows bashing".  It was about solving a problem
that happened in Windows and that appears to have happened to several other
people recently in Windows because of a recent Microsoft update.
Regards from
Tom :)




On 15 Jul 2017 18:36, "Concerned Citizen" <[hidden email]> wrote:

I find it quite disturbing that someone stating an issue and, perhaps,
asking for help leads to a thread of Windows-bashing...  This is
particularly interesting, since I don't remember LibreOffice being a
competitor to Windows - although it seems to have about as many scripting
languages as Windows has [Microsoft] development languages...

In any case, I have run into several issues with the suite on both Windows
(macOS, but let's focus on the former), from Hardware Acceleration and
OpenCL simply not functioning (at all - which is awful on a Notebook on
Battery).  To tons of issues with Styles.  To epic performance issues on my
Notebook stemming from those awful Liberation Fonts (disappears when I
change font to Times or Arial, etc.).  Bad font rendering in the
applications (thin, patchy looking fonts... like something on a low res
PenTile display).  And the fact that the apps perform worse than both
Microsoft and Corel WordPerfect Office (both of which I own, so I can do
1:1 comparison on Windows).

I won't even talk about Linux, because that is clearly off-topic, and I'm
not sure how you people have extended this to Microsoft and Microsoft
Windows.  Is there nothing better to do with your time, and do you actually
wish this to be a place where people can have civil discussion and give
feedback without fear of the "Tear Down the Competition" reflex you're
exhibiting, here?

For fixing Permissions in Windows, you can go to the top level and simply
propagate the permission changes down.  It's not difficult.  It's worked
that way for about 2 decades (since at least NT4).

On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Tom Davies <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi :)
> One problem, once and experienced by just one person rarely compares with
> the problems that abound on Windows.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
> On 10 Jul 2017 15:29, "Tom Williams" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On 07/09/2017 02:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
> > Hi :)
> > There was a Win 10 update that messed up the permissions in one of the
> > places i volunteer at.
> >
> > I have no idea how to fix it.  I think we went through each individual
> > folder to reset the permissions but that sounds like a very
> > inefficient and highly error-prone way of trying to fix it generally.
> > Still, 'everyone' loves Windows.
> >
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
>
> Wow. Craziness.   :)
>
> Peace...
>
> "The Other" Tom
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9 July 2017 at 17:46, Tom Williams <[hidden email]
> > <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
> >
> >     On 07/08/2017 02:56 AM, MICHAEL HELY wrote:
> >     > I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able
> >     to open, amend, and save a document without any problem.
> >     However, in the last week or so I can only open a document in
> >     read-only form.   To change the contents I have to open a copy for
> >     editing, save that under a different name, delete the original,
> >     and then rename the new document to fit in with my filing system.
> >        This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
> >     > The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that
> >     about the same time there was an automatic update to Windows 10,
> >     and there might be some incompatablity between the updated Windows
> >     and LibreOffice.    (I have since installed the latest update to
> >     LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the problem is still there).
> >     However that is only a wild guess!     I would be grateful for
> >     your advice and a remedy
> >     > regards
> >     > M. Hely
> >     >
> >     I have two basic questions:
> >
> >      1. Have you confirmed the original file wasn't already "read-only"
> >         before attempting to open it?
> >      2. Are you opening files from the file system or directly from an
> >     email
> >         attachment?
> >
> >
> >     These are things you have probably already thought of but I want
> >     to ask
> >     anyway.  :)   I've run LibreOffice 5 on a couple of Windows 10
> systems
> >     and have been able to open, edit, and save documents without issue.
> >
> >     Peace...
> >
> >     "The Other" Tom
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Hi :)
Please let us know if you have managed to fix this problem yet or if you
are still having problems.

If you would like more detail on how to change file-permissions please
ask.  Given your skill level with Win 10 it's likely you already know.  I
know up to Win7 and although 8, 8.1 and 10 are probably the same i'd prefer
to check it works before assuming 10 is the same.

If you tried resetting permissions and it doesn't appear to be that then
please let us know because it's not been a problem in LibreOffice, nor
OpenOffice, afaik before and we would like to explore the potential for it
happening again.  Alternatively if it has happened before and is just
extremely rare then someone else might have a ready answer for you this
time.
Regards from
Tom :)





On 8 Jul 2017 23:13, "MICHAEL HELY" <[hidden email]> wrote:

I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able to open,
amend, and save a document without any problem.    However, in the last
week or so I can only open a document in read-only form.   To change the
contents I have to open a copy for editing, save that under a different
name, delete the original, and then rename the new document to fit in with
my filing system.     This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that about the
same time there was an automatic update to Windows 10, and there might be
some incompatablity between the updated Windows and LibreOffice.    (I have
since installed the latest update to LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the
problem is still there).    However that is only a wild guess!     I would
be grateful for your advice and a remedy
regards
M. Hely

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       Curiously wondering if you're saying one can go to MsFt's heads with
problems & these will be fixed pronto;
          if so, I'd like to hear an example of when you so did.

       And just what is NT4???



From: Concerned Citizen <[hidden email]>
Date: Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5
To: Tom Davies <[hidden email]>
Cc: [hidden email]


I find it quite disturbing that someone stating an issue and, perhaps,
asking for help leads to a thread of Windows-bashing...  This is
particularly interesting, since I don't remember LibreOffice being a
competitor to Windows - although it seems to have about as many scripting
languages as Windows has [Microsoft] development languages...

In any case, I have run into several issues with the suite on both Windows
(macOS, but let's focus on the former), from Hardware Acceleration and
OpenCL simply not functioning (at all - which is awful on a Notebook on
Battery).  To tons of issues with Styles.  To epic performance issues on my
Notebook stemming from those awful Liberation Fonts (disappears when I
change font to Times or Arial, etc.).  Bad font rendering in the
applications (thin, patchy looking fonts... like something on a low res
PenTile display).  And the fact that the apps perform worse than both
Microsoft and Corel WordPerfect Office (both of which I own, so I can do
1:1 comparison on Windows).

I won't even talk about Linux, because that is clearly off-topic, and I'm
not sure how you people have extended this to Microsoft and Microsoft
Windows.  Is there nothing better to do with your time, and do you actually
wish this to be a place where people can have civil discussion and give
feedback without fear of the "Tear Down the Competition" reflex you're
exhibiting, here?

For fixing Permissions in Windows, you can go to the top level and simply
propagate the permission changes down.  It's not difficult.  It's worked
that way for about 2 decades (since at least NT4).



On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Tom Davies <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi :)
> One problem, once and experienced by just one person rarely compares with
> the problems that abound on Windows.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
> On 10 Jul 2017 15:29, "Tom Williams" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On 07/09/2017 02:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
> > Hi :)
> > There was a Win 10 update that messed up the permissions in one of the
> > places i volunteer at.
> >
> > I have no idea how to fix it.  I think we went through each individual
> > folder to reset the permissions but that sounds like a very
> > inefficient and highly error-prone way of trying to fix it generally.
> > Still, 'everyone' loves Windows.
> >
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
>
> Wow. Craziness.   :)
>
> Peace...
>
> "The Other" Tom



> >
> >
> >
> > On 9 July 2017 at 17:46, Tom Williams <[hidden email]
> > <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
> >
> >     On 07/08/2017 02:56 AM, MICHAEL HELY wrote:
> >     > I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able
> >     to open, amend, and save a document without any problem.
> >     However, in the last week or so I can only open a document in
> >     read-only form.   To change the contents I have to open a copy for
> >     editing, save that under a different name, delete the original,
> >     and then rename the new document to fit in with my filing system.
> >        This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
> >     > The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that
> >     about the same time there was an automatic update to Windows 10,
> >     and there might be some incompatablity between the updated Windows
> >     and LibreOffice.    (I have since installed the latest update to
> >     LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the problem is still there).
> >     However that is only a wild guess!     I would be grateful for
> >     your advice and a remedy
> >     > regards
> >     > M. Hely
> >     >
> >     I have two basic questions:
> >
> >      1. Have you confirmed the original file wasn't already "read-only"
> >         before attempting to open it?
> >      2. Are you opening files from the file system or directly from an
> >     email
> >         attachment?
> >
> >
> >     These are things you have probably already thought of but I want
> >     to ask
> >     anyway.  :)   I've run LibreOffice 5 on a couple of Windows 10
> systems
> >     and have been able to open, edit, and save documents without issue.
> >
> >     Peace...
> >
> >     "The Other" Tom
> >

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On 07/15/2017 03:56 PM, anne-ology wrote:
>        Curiously wondering if you're saying one can go to MsFt's heads with
> problems & these will be fixed pronto;
>           if so, I'd like to hear an example of when you so did.
>
>        And just what is NT4???

"NT4" = Windows NT version 4  

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Hi,

this list is about helping LO users with problems and you seem to have a
few. Would you care to share any more detail? Have you logged these to
the bugzilla?

Cheers


On 16/07/17 03:36, Concerned Citizen wrote:

> I find it quite disturbing that someone stating an issue and, perhaps,
> asking for help leads to a thread of Windows-bashing...  This is
> particularly interesting, since I don't remember LibreOffice being a
> competitor to Windows - although it seems to have about as many scripting
> languages as Windows has [Microsoft] development languages...
>
> In any case, I have run into several issues with the suite on both Windows
> (macOS, but let's focus on the former), from Hardware Acceleration and
> OpenCL simply not functioning (at all - which is awful on a Notebook on
> Battery).  To tons of issues with Styles.  To epic performance issues on my
> Notebook stemming from those awful Liberation Fonts (disappears when I
> change font to Times or Arial, etc.).  Bad font rendering in the
> applications (thin, patchy looking fonts... like something on a low res
> PenTile display).  And the fact that the apps perform worse than both
> Microsoft and Corel WordPerfect Office (both of which I own, so I can do
> 1:1 comparison on Windows).
>
> I won't even talk about Linux, because that is clearly off-topic, and I'm
> not sure how you people have extended this to Microsoft and Microsoft
> Windows.  Is there nothing better to do with your time, and do you actually
> wish this to be a place where people can have civil discussion and give
> feedback without fear of the "Tear Down the Competition" reflex you're
> exhibiting, here?
>
> For fixing Permissions in Windows, you can go to the top level and simply
> propagate the permission changes down.  It's not difficult.  It's worked
> that way for about 2 decades (since at least NT4).
>
> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Tom Davies <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hi :)
>> One problem, once and experienced by just one person rarely compares with
>> the problems that abound on Windows.
>> Regards from
>> Tom :)
>>
>> On 10 Jul 2017 15:29, "Tom Williams" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> On 07/09/2017 02:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
>>> Hi :)
>>> There was a Win 10 update that messed up the permissions in one of the
>>> places i volunteer at.
>>>
>>> I have no idea how to fix it.  I think we went through each individual
>>> folder to reset the permissions but that sounds like a very
>>> inefficient and highly error-prone way of trying to fix it generally.
>>> Still, 'everyone' loves Windows.
>>>
>>> Regards from
>>> Tom :)
>> Wow. Craziness.   :)
>>
>> Peace...
>>
>> "The Other" Tom
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9 July 2017 at 17:46, Tom Williams <[hidden email]
>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>      On 07/08/2017 02:56 AM, MICHAEL HELY wrote:
>>>      > I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able
>>>      to open, amend, and save a document without any problem.
>>>      However, in the last week or so I can only open a document in
>>>      read-only form.   To change the contents I have to open a copy for
>>>      editing, save that under a different name, delete the original,
>>>      and then rename the new document to fit in with my filing system.
>>>         This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
>>>      > The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that
>>>      about the same time there was an automatic update to Windows 10,
>>>      and there might be some incompatablity between the updated Windows
>>>      and LibreOffice.    (I have since installed the latest update to
>>>      LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the problem is still there).
>>>      However that is only a wild guess!     I would be grateful for
>>>      your advice and a remedy
>>>      > regards
>>>      > M. Hely
>>>      >
>>>      I have two basic questions:
>>>
>>>       1. Have you confirmed the original file wasn't already "read-only"
>>>          before attempting to open it?
>>>       2. Are you opening files from the file system or directly from an
>>>      email
>>>          attachment?
>>>
>>>
>>>      These are things you have probably already thought of but I want
>>>      to ask
>>>      anyway.  :)   I've run LibreOffice 5 on a couple of Windows 10
>> systems
>>>      and have been able to open, edit, and save documents without issue.
>>>
>>>      Peace...
>>>
>>>      "The Other" Tom
>>>
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       Using a MsFt product that's 21 years old is bound to cause problems.




From: Concerned Citizen <[hidden email]>
Date: Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 4:02 AM
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5
To: anne-ology <[hidden email]>


Windows NT 4. Released in 1996, IIRC.

And no. You send feedback to them through the appropriate channels.
Microsoft has way too many users for them to be able to manage emails from
everyone themselves. No business that large does that.



On Jul 15, 2017 6:59 PM, "anne-ology" <[hidden email]> wrote:

       Curiously wondering if you're saying one can go to MsFt's heads with

> problems & these will be fixed pronto;
>           if so, I'd like to hear an example of when you so did.
>
>        And just what is NT4???
>
>
>
> From: Concerned Citizen <[hidden email]>
> Date: Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 12:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5
> To: Tom Davies <[hidden email]>
> Cc: [hidden email]
>
>
> I find it quite disturbing that someone stating an issue and, perhaps,
> asking for help leads to a thread of Windows-bashing...  This is
> particularly interesting, since I don't remember LibreOffice being a
> competitor to Windows - although it seems to have about as many scripting
> languages as Windows has [Microsoft] development languages...
>
> In any case, I have run into several issues with the suite on both Windows
> (macOS, but let's focus on the former), from Hardware Acceleration and
> OpenCL simply not functioning (at all - which is awful on a Notebook on
> Battery).  To tons of issues with Styles.  To epic performance issues on my
> Notebook stemming from those awful Liberation Fonts (disappears when I
> change font to Times or Arial, etc.).  Bad font rendering in the
> applications (thin, patchy looking fonts... like something on a low res
> PenTile display).  And the fact that the apps perform worse than both
> Microsoft and Corel WordPerfect Office (both of which I own, so I can do
> 1:1 comparison on Windows).
>
> I won't even talk about Linux, because that is clearly off-topic, and I'm
> not sure how you people have extended this to Microsoft and Microsoft
> Windows.  Is there nothing better to do with your time, and do you actually
> wish this to be a place where people can have civil discussion and give
> feedback without fear of the "Tear Down the Competition" reflex you're
> exhibiting, here?
>
> For fixing Permissions in Windows, you can go to the top level and simply
> propagate the permission changes down.  It's not difficult.  It's worked
> that way for about 2 decades (since at least NT4).
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Tom Davies <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > Hi :)
> > One problem, once and experienced by just one person rarely compares with
> > the problems that abound on Windows.
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
> >
> > On 10 Jul 2017 15:29, "Tom Williams" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > On 07/09/2017 02:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
> > > Hi :)
> > > There was a Win 10 update that messed up the permissions in one of the
> > > places i volunteer at.
> > >
> > > I have no idea how to fix it.  I think we went through each individual
> > > folder to reset the permissions but that sounds like a very
> > > inefficient and highly error-prone way of trying to fix it generally.
> > > Still, 'everyone' loves Windows.
> > >
> > > Regards from
> > > Tom :)
> >
> > Wow. Craziness.   :)
> >
> > Peace...
> >
> > "The Other" Tom
>
>
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9 July 2017 at 17:46, Tom Williams <[hidden email]
> > > <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
> > >
> > >     On 07/08/2017 02:56 AM, MICHAEL HELY wrote:
> > >     > I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able
> > >     to open, amend, and save a document without any problem.
> > >     However, in the last week or so I can only open a document in
> > >     read-only form.   To change the contents I have to open a copy for
> > >     editing, save that under a different name, delete the original,
> > >     and then rename the new document to fit in with my filing system.
> > >        This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
> > >     > The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that
> > >     about the same time there was an automatic update to Windows 10,
> > >     and there might be some incompatablity between the updated Windows
> > >     and LibreOffice.    (I have since installed the latest update to
> > >     LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the problem is still there).
> > >     However that is only a wild guess!     I would be grateful for
> > >     your advice and a remedy
> > >     > regards
> > >     > M. Hely
> > >     >
> > >     I have two basic questions:
> > >
> > >      1. Have you confirmed the original file wasn't already "read-only"
> > >         before attempting to open it?
> > >      2. Are you opening files from the file system or directly from an
> > >     email
> > >         attachment?
> > >
> > >
> > >     These are things you have probably already thought of but I want
> > >     to ask
> > >     anyway.  :)   I've run LibreOffice 5 on a couple of Windows 10
> > systems
> > >     and have been able to open, edit, and save documents without issue.
> > >
> > >     Peace...
> > >
> > >     "The Other" Tom
> > >
>

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Hi :)
Sorry i've been afk today.  Hopefully someone else can help.

Apols and regards from
Tom :)

On 16 Jul 2017 18:41, "MICHAEL HELY" <[hidden email]> wrote:

thanks!

i would be grateful for advice on file permissions.    I am in my 80s, and
there is never a teenager when you need one!

the problem has changed!   yesterday I updated to version 5.3.4.2.    this
installed properly, but there is no LibreOffice desktop icon, and I can
only open documents using WordPro.    this is generally OK;  I can amend or
edit, store, etc, but some of my docs are in landscape, and WordPro opens
these in portrait.    the right hand side of the document is not
available.   if you can tell me how to get the LibreOffice icon so I can
open in LibreOffice I would be grateful

thanks for your help and advice

regards

m. hely

----Original message----
From : [hidden email]
Date : 15/07/2017 - 21:54 (GMTST)
To : [hidden email]
Cc : [hidden email]

Subject : Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5

Hi :)
Please let us know if you have managed to fix this problem yet or if you
are still having problems.

If you would like more detail on how to change file-permissions please
ask.  Given your skill level with Win 10 it's likely you already know.  I
know up to Win7 and although 8, 8.1 and 10 are probably the same i'd prefer
to check it works before assuming 10 is the same.

If you tried resetting permissions and it doesn't appear to be that then
please let us know because it's not been a problem in LibreOffice, nor
OpenOffice, afaik before and we would like to explore the potential for it
happening again.  Alternatively if it has happened before and is just
extremely rare then someone else might have a ready answer for you this
time.
Regards from
Tom :)





On 8 Jul 2017 23:13, "MICHAEL HELY" <[hidden email]> wrote:

I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able to open,
amend, and save a document without any problem.    However, in the last
week or so I can only open a document in read-only form.   To change the
contents I have to open a copy for editing, save that under a different
name, delete the original, and then rename the new document to fit in with
my filing system.     This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that about the
same time there was an automatic update to Windows 10, and there might be
some incompatablity between the updated Windows and LibreOffice.    (I have
since installed the latest update to LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the
problem is still there).    However that is only a wild guess!     I would
be grateful for your advice and a remedy
regards
M. Hely

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I agree with "anne-ology" about using old operating systems. I have had
trouble with Windows Vista and Windows 7, when they were new.  Even with
fully updated Windows 10 gives me trouble.  That is one reason I use
Ubuntu Linux with MATE desktop environment.  Even people who use Linux
can tell you that there are some issues using Linux, just like Windows does.

As for issues between MS Office and LibreOffice, remember there are
problems with both.  The fact that MS Office's .docx format is different
between the various MS Office version with the newest version of .docx
formatted documents can not be opened/viewed properly with the earlier
versions of Office with .docx

Remember, like MS Office, LibreOffice is not perfect.  Our developers
are volunteers.  They do the best they can to fix any issues that are
reported in the Bug Reporting system.  The good thing is that
LibreOffice is less "complex" than MS Office's Word. Of course,
LibreOffice's Writer was not designed to do such complex that only
0.001%[+/-] or less of their market users will use. There were special
"classes" on these very complex options/functions.  One year there was
an announcement that the new version have over 1000 new functions over
the previous version.  LibreOffice was not designed to be "one package
to due it all".

On 07/16/2017 09:58 AM, anne-ology wrote:

>         Using a MsFt product that's 21 years old is bound to cause problems.
>
>
>
>
> From: Concerned Citizen <[hidden email]>
> Date: Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 4:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5
> To: anne-ology <[hidden email]>
>
>
> Windows NT 4. Released in 1996, IIRC.
>
> And no. You send feedback to them through the appropriate channels.
> Microsoft has way too many users for them to be able to manage emails from
> everyone themselves. No business that large does that.
>
>
>
> On Jul 15, 2017 6:59 PM, "anne-ology" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>         Curiously wondering if you're saying one can go to MsFt's heads with
>> problems & these will be fixed pronto;
>>            if so, I'd like to hear an example of when you so did.
>>
>>         And just what is NT4???
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Concerned Citizen <[hidden email]>
>> Date: Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 12:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5
>> To: Tom Davies <[hidden email]>
>> Cc: [hidden email]
>>
>>
>> I find it quite disturbing that someone stating an issue and, perhaps,
>> asking for help leads to a thread of Windows-bashing...  This is
>> particularly interesting, since I don't remember LibreOffice being a
>> competitor to Windows - although it seems to have about as many scripting
>> languages as Windows has [Microsoft] development languages...
>>
>> In any case, I have run into several issues with the suite on both Windows
>> (macOS, but let's focus on the former), from Hardware Acceleration and
>> OpenCL simply not functioning (at all - which is awful on a Notebook on
>> Battery).  To tons of issues with Styles.  To epic performance issues on my
>> Notebook stemming from those awful Liberation Fonts (disappears when I
>> change font to Times or Arial, etc.).  Bad font rendering in the
>> applications (thin, patchy looking fonts... like something on a low res
>> PenTile display).  And the fact that the apps perform worse than both
>> Microsoft and Corel WordPerfect Office (both of which I own, so I can do
>> 1:1 comparison on Windows).
>>
>> I won't even talk about Linux, because that is clearly off-topic, and I'm
>> not sure how you people have extended this to Microsoft and Microsoft
>> Windows.  Is there nothing better to do with your time, and do you actually
>> wish this to be a place where people can have civil discussion and give
>> feedback without fear of the "Tear Down the Competition" reflex you're
>> exhibiting, here?
>>
>> For fixing Permissions in Windows, you can go to the top level and simply
>> propagate the permission changes down.  It's not difficult.  It's worked
>> that way for about 2 decades (since at least NT4).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Tom Davies <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi :)
>>> One problem, once and experienced by just one person rarely compares with
>>> the problems that abound on Windows.
>>> Regards from
>>> Tom :)
>>>
>>> On 10 Jul 2017 15:29, "Tom Williams" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 07/09/2017 02:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
>>>> Hi :)
>>>> There was a Win 10 update that messed up the permissions in one of the
>>>> places i volunteer at.
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea how to fix it.  I think we went through each individual
>>>> folder to reset the permissions but that sounds like a very
>>>> inefficient and highly error-prone way of trying to fix it generally.
>>>> Still, 'everyone' loves Windows.
>>>>
>>>> Regards from
>>>> Tom :)
>>> Wow. Craziness.   :)
>>>
>>> Peace...
>>>
>>> "The Other" Tom
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9 July 2017 at 17:46, Tom Williams <[hidden email]
>>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>      On 07/08/2017 02:56 AM, MICHAEL HELY wrote:
>>>>      > I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able
>>>>      to open, amend, and save a document without any problem.
>>>>      However, in the last week or so I can only open a document in
>>>>      read-only form.   To change the contents I have to open a copy for
>>>>      editing, save that under a different name, delete the original,
>>>>      and then rename the new document to fit in with my filing system.
>>>>         This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
>>>>      > The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that
>>>>      about the same time there was an automatic update to Windows 10,
>>>>      and there might be some incompatablity between the updated Windows
>>>>      and LibreOffice.    (I have since installed the latest update to
>>>>      LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the problem is still there).
>>>>      However that is only a wild guess!     I would be grateful for
>>>>      your advice and a remedy
>>>>      > regards
>>>>      > M. Hely
>>>>      >
>>>>      I have two basic questions:
>>>>
>>>>       1. Have you confirmed the original file wasn't already "read-only"
>>>>          before attempting to open it?
>>>>       2. Are you opening files from the file system or directly from an
>>>>      email
>>>>          attachment?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      These are things you have probably already thought of but I want
>>>>      to ask
>>>>      anyway.  :)   I've run LibreOffice 5 on a couple of Windows 10
>>> systems
>>>>      and have been able to open, edit, and save documents without issue.
>>>>
>>>>      Peace...
>>>>
>>>>      "The Other" Tom
>>>>


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To be fair, I don"t think Concerned Citizen said he still used NT4, only that Windows has used the same method to control permissions since NT4.

That said, since I accidently erased Windows from my computer last year, I haven't missed it.

Virgil



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-------- Original message --------
From: Tim-L--Elmira-NY <[hidden email]>
Date: 7/17/17 10:16 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5

I agree with "anne-ology" about using old operating systems. I have had
trouble with Windows Vista and Windows 7, when they were new.  Even with
fully updated Windows 10 gives me trouble.  That is one reason I use
Ubuntu Linux with MATE desktop environment.  Even people who use Linux
can tell you that there are some issues using Linux, just like Windows does.

As for issues between MS Office and LibreOffice, remember there are
problems with both.  The fact that MS Office's .docx format is different
between the various MS Office version with the newest version of .docx
formatted documents can not be opened/viewed properly with the earlier
versions of Office with .docx

Remember, like MS Office, LibreOffice is not perfect.  Our developers
are volunteers.  They do the best they can to fix any issues that are
reported in the Bug Reporting system.  The good thing is that
LibreOffice is less "complex" than MS Office's Word. Of course,
LibreOffice's Writer was not designed to do such complex that only
0.001%[+/-] or less of their market users will use. There were special
"classes" on these very complex options/functions.  One year there was
an announcement that the new version have over 1000 new functions over
the previous version.  LibreOffice was not designed to be "one package
to due it all".

On 07/16/2017 09:58 AM, anne-ology wrote:

>         Using a MsFt product that's 21 years old is bound to cause problems.
>
>
>
>
> From: Concerned Citizen <[hidden email]>
> Date: Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 4:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5
> To: anne-ology <[hidden email]>
>
>
> Windows NT 4. Released in 1996, IIRC.
>
> And no. You send feedback to them through the appropriate channels.
> Microsoft has way too many users for them to be able to manage emails from
> everyone themselves. No business that large does that.
>
>
>
> On Jul 15, 2017 6:59 PM, "anne-ology" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>         Curiously wondering if you're saying one can go to MsFt's heads with
>> problems & these will be fixed pronto;
>>            if so, I'd like to hear an example of when you so did.
>>
>>         And just what is NT4???
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Concerned Citizen <[hidden email]>
>> Date: Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 12:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5
>> To: Tom Davies <[hidden email]>
>> Cc: [hidden email]
>>
>>
>> I find it quite disturbing that someone stating an issue and, perhaps,
>> asking for help leads to a thread of Windows-bashing...  This is
>> particularly interesting, since I don't remember LibreOffice being a
>> competitor to Windows - although it seems to have about as many scripting
>> languages as Windows has [Microsoft] development languages...
>>
>> In any case, I have run into several issues with the suite on both Windows
>> (macOS, but let's focus on the former), from Hardware Acceleration and
>> OpenCL simply not functioning (at all - which is awful on a Notebook on
>> Battery).  To tons of issues with Styles.  To epic performance issues on my
>> Notebook stemming from those awful Liberation Fonts (disappears when I
>> change font to Times or Arial, etc.).  Bad font rendering in the
>> applications (thin, patchy looking fonts... like something on a low res
>> PenTile display).  And the fact that the apps perform worse than both
>> Microsoft and Corel WordPerfect Office (both of which I own, so I can do
>> 1:1 comparison on Windows).
>>
>> I won't even talk about Linux, because that is clearly off-topic, and I'm
>> not sure how you people have extended this to Microsoft and Microsoft
>> Windows.  Is there nothing better to do with your time, and do you actually
>> wish this to be a place where people can have civil discussion and give
>> feedback without fear of the "Tear Down the Competition" reflex you're
>> exhibiting, here?
>>
>> For fixing Permissions in Windows, you can go to the top level and simply
>> propagate the permission changes down.  It's not difficult.  It's worked
>> that way for about 2 decades (since at least NT4).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Tom Davies <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi :)
>>> One problem, once and experienced by just one person rarely compares with
>>> the problems that abound on Windows.
>>> Regards from
>>> Tom :)
>>>
>>> On 10 Jul 2017 15:29, "Tom Williams" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 07/09/2017 02:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
>>>> Hi :)
>>>> There was a Win 10 update that messed up the permissions in one of the
>>>> places i volunteer at.
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea how to fix it.  I think we went through each individual
>>>> folder to reset the permissions but that sounds like a very
>>>> inefficient and highly error-prone way of trying to fix it generally.
>>>> Still, 'everyone' loves Windows.
>>>>
>>>> Regards from
>>>> Tom :)
>>> Wow. Craziness.   :)
>>>
>>> Peace...
>>>
>>> "The Other" Tom
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9 July 2017 at 17:46, Tom Williams <[hidden email]
>>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>      On 07/08/2017 02:56 AM, MICHAEL HELY wrote:
>>>>      > I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able
>>>>      to open, amend, and save a document without any problem.
>>>>      However, in the last week or so I can only open a document in
>>>>      read-only form.   To change the contents I have to open a copy for
>>>>      editing, save that under a different name, delete the original,
>>>>      and then rename the new document to fit in with my filing system.
>>>>         This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
>>>>      > The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that
>>>>      about the same time there was an automatic update to Windows 10,
>>>>      and there might be some incompatablity between the updated Windows
>>>>      and LibreOffice.    (I have since installed the latest update to
>>>>      LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the problem is still there).
>>>>      However that is only a wild guess!     I would be grateful for
>>>>      your advice and a remedy
>>>>      > regards
>>>>      > M. Hely
>>>>      >
>>>>      I have two basic questions:
>>>>
>>>>       1. Have you confirmed the original file wasn't already "read-only"
>>>>          before attempting to open it?
>>>>       2. Are you opening files from the file system or directly from an
>>>>      email
>>>>          attachment?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      These are things you have probably already thought of but I want
>>>>      to ask
>>>>      anyway.  :)   I've run LibreOffice 5 on a couple of Windows 10
>>> systems
>>>>      and have been able to open, edit, and save documents without issue.
>>>>
>>>>      Peace...
>>>>
>>>>      "The Other" Tom
>>>>


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I do not have that choice. I have to have Windows for some of the
packages that do not have a Linux substitute - yet.  All three laptops
have a Widows 10 partition and one for Ubuntu 16.04.  If I can, the
Linux partition is larger than Windows.  I have been using Ubuntu Linux
since Feb. 2010 as my default OS.

Here is a weird problem with Windows.  I has to wipe its 1 TB drive and
start from scratch.  I installed a fresh install of Windows 10, with all
of the needed hardware drivers, and then Ubuntu 16.04 on the largest
partition.  When I use Windows for simple things like running a defrag,
package install or even play a YouTube video, the quad core overheats to
170+ degrees and higher.  On the other hand using the Linux partition, I
can do anything from kernel updating to multiple YouTube video downloads
while viewing a 1080p music video and not go above 140 or 150 degrees.

On 07/17/2017 11:04 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote:

> To be fair, I don"t think Concerned Citizen said he still used NT4,
> only that Windows has used the same method to control permissions
> since NT4.
>
> That said, since I accidently erased Windows from my computer last
> year, I haven't missed it.
>
> Virgil
>
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Tim-L--Elmira-NY <[hidden email]>
> Date: 7/17/17 10:16 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5
>
> I agree with "anne-ology" about using old operating systems. I have had
> trouble with Windows Vista and Windows 7, when they were new.  Even with
> fully updated Windows 10 gives me trouble.  That is one reason I use
> Ubuntu Linux with MATE desktop environment.  Even people who use Linux
> can tell you that there are some issues using Linux, just like Windows
> does.
>
> As for issues between MS Office and LibreOffice, remember there are
> problems with both.  The fact that MS Office's .docx format is different
> between the various MS Office version with the newest version of .docx
> formatted documents can not be opened/viewed properly with the earlier
> versions of Office with .docx
>
> Remember, like MS Office, LibreOffice is not perfect.  Our developers
> are volunteers.  They do the best they can to fix any issues that are
> reported in the Bug Reporting system.  The good thing is that
> LibreOffice is less "complex" than MS Office's Word. Of course,
> LibreOffice's Writer was not designed to do such complex that only
> 0.001%[+/-] or less of their market users will use. There were special
> "classes" on these very complex options/functions.  One year there was
> an announcement that the new version have over 1000 new functions over
> the previous version.  LibreOffice was not designed to be "one package
> to due it all".
>
> On 07/16/2017 09:58 AM, anne-ology wrote:
> >         Using a MsFt product that's 21 years old is bound to cause
> problems.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Concerned Citizen <[hidden email]>
> > Date: Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 4:02 AM
> > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5
> > To: anne-ology <[hidden email]>
> >
> >
> > Windows NT 4. Released in 1996, IIRC.
> >
> > And no. You send feedback to them through the appropriate channels.
> > Microsoft has way too many users for them to be able to manage
> emails from
> > everyone themselves. No business that large does that.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jul 15, 2017 6:59 PM, "anne-ology" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >         Curiously wondering if you're saying one can go to MsFt's
> heads with
> >> problems & these will be fixed pronto;
> >>            if so, I'd like to hear an example of when you so did.
> >>
> >>         And just what is NT4???
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Concerned Citizen <[hidden email]>
> >> Date: Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 12:36 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5
> >> To: Tom Davies <[hidden email]>
> >> Cc: [hidden email]
> >>
> >>
> >> I find it quite disturbing that someone stating an issue and, perhaps,
> >> asking for help leads to a thread of Windows-bashing...  This is
> >> particularly interesting, since I don't remember LibreOffice being a
> >> competitor to Windows - although it seems to have about as many
> scripting
> >> languages as Windows has [Microsoft] development languages...
> >>
> >> In any case, I have run into several issues with the suite on both
> Windows
> >> (macOS, but let's focus on the former), from Hardware Acceleration and
> >> OpenCL simply not functioning (at all - which is awful on a Notebook on
> >> Battery).  To tons of issues with Styles.  To epic performance
> issues on my
> >> Notebook stemming from those awful Liberation Fonts (disappears when I
> >> change font to Times or Arial, etc.).  Bad font rendering in the
> >> applications (thin, patchy looking fonts... like something on a low res
> >> PenTile display).  And the fact that the apps perform worse than both
> >> Microsoft and Corel WordPerfect Office (both of which I own, so I
> can do
> >> 1:1 comparison on Windows).
> >>
> >> I won't even talk about Linux, because that is clearly off-topic,
> and I'm
> >> not sure how you people have extended this to Microsoft and Microsoft
> >> Windows.  Is there nothing better to do with your time, and do you
> actually
> >> wish this to be a place where people can have civil discussion and give
> >> feedback without fear of the "Tear Down the Competition" reflex you're
> >> exhibiting, here?
> >>
> >> For fixing Permissions in Windows, you can go to the top level and
> simply
> >> propagate the permission changes down.  It's not difficult.  It's
> worked
> >> that way for about 2 decades (since at least NT4).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Tom Davies <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi :)
> >>> One problem, once and experienced by just one person rarely
> compares with
> >>> the problems that abound on Windows.
> >>> Regards from
> >>> Tom :)
> >>>
> >>> On 10 Jul 2017 15:29, "Tom Williams" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 07/09/2017 02:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
> >>>> Hi :)
> >>>> There was a Win 10 update that messed up the permissions in one
> of the
> >>>> places i volunteer at.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have no idea how to fix it.  I think we went through each
> individual
> >>>> folder to reset the permissions but that sounds like a very
> >>>> inefficient and highly error-prone way of trying to fix it generally.
> >>>> Still, 'everyone' loves Windows.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards from
> >>>> Tom :)
> >>> Wow. Craziness.   :)
> >>>
> >>> Peace...
> >>>
> >>> "The Other" Tom
> >>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 9 July 2017 at 17:46, Tom Williams <[hidden email]
> >>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>      On 07/08/2017 02:56 AM, MICHAEL HELY wrote:
> >>>>      > I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have
> been able
> >>>>      to open, amend, and save a document without any problem.
> >>>>      However, in the last week or so I can only open a document in
> >>>>      read-only form.   To change the contents I have to open a
> copy for
> >>>>      editing, save that under a different name, delete the original,
> >>>>      and then rename the new document to fit in with my filing
> system.
> >>>>         This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
> >>>>      > The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that
> >>>>      about the same time there was an automatic update to Windows 10,
> >>>>      and there might be some incompatablity between the updated
> Windows
> >>>>      and LibreOffice.    (I have since installed the latest update to
> >>>>      LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the problem is still there).
> >>>>      However that is only a wild guess! I would be grateful for
> >>>>      your advice and a remedy
> >>>>      > regards
> >>>>      > M. Hely
> >>>>      >
> >>>>      I have two basic questions:
> >>>>
> >>>>       1. Have you confirmed the original file wasn't already
> "read-only"
> >>>>          before attempting to open it?
> >>>>       2. Are you opening files from the file system or directly
> from an
> >>>>      email
> >>>>          attachment?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>      These are things you have probably already thought of but I want
> >>>>      to ask
> >>>>      anyway.  :)   I've run LibreOffice 5 on a couple of Windows 10
> >>> systems
> >>>>      and have been able to open, edit, and save documents without
> issue.
> >>>>
> >>>>      Peace...
> >>>>
> >>>>      "The Other" Tom
> >>>>
>
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Re: Problem with LibreOffice 5

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That's just true. Only time documents don't render elements is when you use
features only in the new version. Microsoft back ports format support. It's
not an issue. Office 2007/10 documents opened with no issues in Office
XP/2003, save for the above named issue.

Using new version quickly after release on older hardware is always an
issue due to drivers. The OS is new and often developers and OEMs don't
have the updates out. This exists for all OSes. My Razer peripherals didn't
function for weeks after the macks Sierra update because Razer didn't have
their driver updates ready.

Vista had many driver level changes, and people moving from 98/Me to
2000/XP had even greater issues with both software and hardware.

That's all pretty much expected.

I used RH Enterprise Linux WS back then. My device drivers (especially
graphics) broke on version upgrades while I waited for ATI to get a new
package out, and this still happens with system upgrades that change things
like the Kernel or X.Org.

On Jul 17, 2017 10:17 AM, "Tim-L--Elmira-NY" <[hidden email]>
wrote:

I agree with "anne-ology" about using old operating systems. I have had
trouble with Windows Vista and Windows 7, when they were new.  Even with
fully updated Windows 10 gives me trouble.  That is one reason I use Ubuntu
Linux with MATE desktop environment.  Even people who use Linux can tell
you that there are some issues using Linux, just like Windows does.

As for issues between MS Office and LibreOffice, remember there are
problems with both.  The fact that MS Office's .docx format is different
between the various MS Office version with the newest version of .docx
formatted documents can not be opened/viewed properly with the earlier
versions of Office with .docx

Remember, like MS Office, LibreOffice is not perfect.  Our developers are
volunteers.  They do the best they can to fix any issues that are reported
in the Bug Reporting system.  The good thing is that LibreOffice is less
"complex" than MS Office's Word. Of course, LibreOffice's Writer was not
designed to do such complex that only 0.001%[+/-] or less of their market
users will use. There were special "classes" on these very complex
options/functions.  One year there was an announcement that the new version
have over 1000 new functions over the previous version.  LibreOffice was
not designed to be "one package to due it all".


On 07/16/2017 09:58 AM, anne-ology wrote:

>         Using a MsFt product that's 21 years old is bound to cause
> problems.
>
>
>
>
> From: Concerned Citizen <[hidden email]>
> Date: Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 4:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5
> To: anne-ology <[hidden email]>
>
>
> Windows NT 4. Released in 1996, IIRC.
>
> And no. You send feedback to them through the appropriate channels.
> Microsoft has way too many users for them to be able to manage emails from
> everyone themselves. No business that large does that.
>
>
>
> On Jul 15, 2017 6:59 PM, "anne-ology" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>         Curiously wondering if you're saying one can go to MsFt's heads
> with
>
>> problems & these will be fixed pronto;
>>            if so, I'd like to hear an example of when you so did.
>>
>>         And just what is NT4???
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Concerned Citizen <[hidden email]>
>> Date: Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 12:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice 5
>> To: Tom Davies <[hidden email]>
>> Cc: [hidden email]
>>
>>
>> I find it quite disturbing that someone stating an issue and, perhaps,
>> asking for help leads to a thread of Windows-bashing...  This is
>> particularly interesting, since I don't remember LibreOffice being a
>> competitor to Windows - although it seems to have about as many scripting
>> languages as Windows has [Microsoft] development languages...
>>
>> In any case, I have run into several issues with the suite on both Windows
>> (macOS, but let's focus on the former), from Hardware Acceleration and
>> OpenCL simply not functioning (at all - which is awful on a Notebook on
>> Battery).  To tons of issues with Styles.  To epic performance issues on
>> my
>> Notebook stemming from those awful Liberation Fonts (disappears when I
>> change font to Times or Arial, etc.).  Bad font rendering in the
>> applications (thin, patchy looking fonts... like something on a low res
>> PenTile display).  And the fact that the apps perform worse than both
>> Microsoft and Corel WordPerfect Office (both of which I own, so I can do
>> 1:1 comparison on Windows).
>>
>> I won't even talk about Linux, because that is clearly off-topic, and I'm
>> not sure how you people have extended this to Microsoft and Microsoft
>> Windows.  Is there nothing better to do with your time, and do you
>> actually
>> wish this to be a place where people can have civil discussion and give
>> feedback without fear of the "Tear Down the Competition" reflex you're
>> exhibiting, here?
>>
>> For fixing Permissions in Windows, you can go to the top level and simply
>> propagate the permission changes down.  It's not difficult.  It's worked
>> that way for about 2 decades (since at least NT4).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 11:22 AM, Tom Davies <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Hi :)
>>> One problem, once and experienced by just one person rarely compares with
>>> the problems that abound on Windows.
>>> Regards from
>>> Tom :)
>>>
>>> On 10 Jul 2017 15:29, "Tom Williams" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 07/09/2017 02:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi :)
>>>> There was a Win 10 update that messed up the permissions in one of the
>>>> places i volunteer at.
>>>>
>>>> I have no idea how to fix it.  I think we went through each individual
>>>> folder to reset the permissions but that sounds like a very
>>>> inefficient and highly error-prone way of trying to fix it generally.
>>>> Still, 'everyone' loves Windows.
>>>>
>>>> Regards from
>>>> Tom :)
>>>>
>>> Wow. Craziness.   :)
>>>
>>> Peace...
>>>
>>> "The Other" Tom
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9 July 2017 at 17:46, Tom Williams <[hidden email]
>>>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>      On 07/08/2017 02:56 AM, MICHAEL HELY wrote:
>>>>      > I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able
>>>>      to open, amend, and save a document without any problem.
>>>>      However, in the last week or so I can only open a document in
>>>>      read-only form.   To change the contents I have to open a copy for
>>>>      editing, save that under a different name, delete the original,
>>>>      and then rename the new document to fit in with my filing system.
>>>>         This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
>>>>      > The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that
>>>>      about the same time there was an automatic update to Windows 10,
>>>>      and there might be some incompatablity between the updated Windows
>>>>      and LibreOffice.    (I have since installed the latest update to
>>>>      LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the problem is still there).
>>>>      However that is only a wild guess!     I would be grateful for
>>>>      your advice and a remedy
>>>>      > regards
>>>>      > M. Hely
>>>>      >
>>>>      I have two basic questions:
>>>>
>>>>       1. Have you confirmed the original file wasn't already "read-only"
>>>>          before attempting to open it?
>>>>       2. Are you opening files from the file system or directly from an
>>>>      email
>>>>          attachment?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>      These are things you have probably already thought of but I want
>>>>      to ask
>>>>      anyway.  :)   I've run LibreOffice 5 on a couple of Windows 10
>>>>
>>> systems
>>>
>>>>      and have been able to open, edit, and save documents without issue.
>>>>
>>>>      Peace...
>>>>
>>>>      "The Other" Tom
>>>>
>>>>

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Would be interesting to know what kind of CPU the PC has. And no one should
be running manual Defrag on a Windows PC. It's sets up its own task to do
that when the PC is idle on install. It does the same for Trim on SSDs (or
your driver package will do it - Intel and Samsung Do).

I have a $149 Intel Atom tablet that plays 4K without the heat problems, so
I frankly don't believe what this other person is saying. Some AMD CPU may
produce a bit more heat, but my laptop with an AMD APU never has this issue
on 8.1 or 10.

On Jul 15, 2017 11:25 AM, "Tom Davies" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi :)
> One problem, once and experienced by just one person rarely compares with
> the problems that abound on Windows.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
> On 10 Jul 2017 15:29, "Tom Williams" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On 07/09/2017 02:33 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
> > Hi :)
> > There was a Win 10 update that messed up the permissions in one of the
> > places i volunteer at.
> >
> > I have no idea how to fix it.  I think we went through each individual
> > folder to reset the permissions but that sounds like a very
> > inefficient and highly error-prone way of trying to fix it generally.
> > Still, 'everyone' loves Windows.
> >
> > Regards from
> > Tom :)
>
> Wow. Craziness.   :)
>
> Peace...
>
> "The Other" Tom
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9 July 2017 at 17:46, Tom Williams <[hidden email]
> > <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
> >
> >     On 07/08/2017 02:56 AM, MICHAEL HELY wrote:
> >     > I am having trouble with this suite.   Normally I have been able
> >     to open, amend, and save a document without any problem.
> >     However, in the last week or so I can only open a document in
> >     read-only form.   To change the contents I have to open a copy for
> >     editing, save that under a different name, delete the original,
> >     and then rename the new document to fit in with my filing system.
> >        This is time consuming, and very inconvenient.
> >     > The only event that I can identify as a possible cause is that
> >     about the same time there was an automatic update to Windows 10,
> >     and there might be some incompatablity between the updated Windows
> >     and LibreOffice.    (I have since installed the latest update to
> >     LibreOffice5, but to no avail;  the problem is still there).
> >     However that is only a wild guess!     I would be grateful for
> >     your advice and a remedy
> >     > regards
> >     > M. Hely
> >     >
> >     I have two basic questions:
> >
> >      1. Have you confirmed the original file wasn't already "read-only"
> >         before attempting to open it?
> >      2. Are you opening files from the file system or directly from an
> >     email
> >         attachment?
> >
> >
> >     These are things you have probably already thought of but I want
> >     to ask
> >     anyway.  :)   I've run LibreOffice 5 on a couple of Windows 10
> systems
> >     and have been able to open, edit, and save documents without issue.
> >
> >     Peace...
> >
> >     "The Other" Tom
> >
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