Problem with LibreOffice-text won't stay put

> I have scoured the site to find where I can ask a question, but I couldn't
> find it.  ( I tried the mailing list, but I got about 100 emails within a
> couple days, and all repeating over and over. )
>
> I have Mac OS X and have been trying to use LibreOffice for a year at
> least.  I can't find out why the documents keep changing on me.  I "save"
> everything I do, but when I come back to it, it is all mixed up.  I home
> school and use this program every day.  I have spent hours redoing page
> after page and it will still mess up.  Some text will disappear.  I have
> downloaded PDF files and tried to copy/paste exercises for my kids, but
> even though it is available for us to do that, it will not stay put on the
> page.
>
> I couldn't find any trouble shooting help, either, and I had a hard time
> understanding the instructions.  The language is too technical and not
> clear to me.
>
> I do a lot of copying and pasting using different methods, but that doesn't
> change anything.  Even if I just highlight a portion of text and click
> "copy" and then "paste" it into a LO document, it will move.  I also use a
> "Grab" addon tool and that moves around, too.
>
> I have always used a .doc format, but I don't know what is best anymore.  I
> didn't have problems like this with Linux.  Please help me with this
> problem.  No one I know even uses this program so I have no one else to
> ask.
>
> Thank you so much in advance for any help you can give me!
>
> Wanda Moore
>

>
>
> On 2012-03-15 14:13, Wanda Moore wrote:
>
>> I have scoured the site to find where I can ask a question, but I couldn't
>> find it.  ( I tried the mailing list, but I got about 100 emails within a
>> couple days, and all repeating over and over. )
>>
>> I have Mac OS X and have been trying to use LibreOffice for a year at
>> least.  I can't find out why the documents keep changing on me.  I "save"
>> everything I do, but when I come back to it, it is all mixed up.  I home
>> school and use this program every day.  I have spent hours redoing page
>> after page and it will still mess up.  Some text will disappear.  I have
>> downloaded PDF files and tried to copy/paste exercises for my kids, but
>> even though it is available for us to do that, it will not stay put on the
>> page.
>>
>> I couldn't find any trouble shooting help, either, and I had a hard time
>> understanding the instructions.  The language is too technical and not
>> clear to me.
>>
>> I do a lot of copying and pasting using different methods, but that
>> doesn't
>> change anything.  Even if I just highlight a portion of text and click
>> "copy" and then "paste" it into a LO document, it will move.  I also use a
>> "Grab" addon tool and that moves around, too.
>>
>> I have always used a .doc format, but I don't know what is best anymore.
>>  I
>> didn't have problems like this with Linux.  Please help me with this
>> problem.  No one I know even uses this program so I have no one else to
>> ask.
>>
>> Thank you so much in advance for any help you can give me!
>>
>> Wanda Moore
>>
>>  Hi.
> With the Grab tool it grabs a screen image, like Ksnapshot or the windows
> snip tool, so you are probably pasting an image into your document. These
> can move around and you need to look at the Anchor and Wrap
> characteristics. You may find that anchor to page and no wrap suit your
> need.
>
> Copying from a PDF can be as an image or as text. Can you edit the text
> you copy from the PDF. If not it is probably an image and you should treat
> it as for Grab above.
>
> steve
>
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> On 2012-03-15 14:13, Wanda Moore wrote:
>
>> I have scoured the site to find where I can ask a question, but I couldn't
>> find it.  ( I tried the mailing list, but I got about 100 emails within a
>> couple days, and all repeating over and over. )
>>
>> I have Mac OS X and have been trying to use LibreOffice for a year at
>> least.  I can't find out why the documents keep changing on me.  I "save"
>> everything I do, but when I come back to it, it is all mixed up.  I home
>> school and use this program every day.  I have spent hours redoing page
>> after page and it will still mess up.  Some text will disappear.  I have
>> downloaded PDF files and tried to copy/paste exercises for my kids, but
>> even though it is available for us to do that, it will not stay put on the
>> page.
>>
>> I couldn't find any trouble shooting help, either, and I had a hard time
>> understanding the instructions.  The language is too technical and not
>> clear to me.
>>
>> I do a lot of copying and pasting using different methods, but that
>> doesn't
>> change anything.  Even if I just highlight a portion of text and click
>> "copy" and then "paste" it into a LO document, it will move.  I also use a
>> "Grab" addon tool and that moves around, too.
>>
>> I have always used a .doc format, but I don't know what is best anymore.
>>  I
>> didn't have problems like this with Linux.  Please help me with this
>> problem.  No one I know even uses this program so I have no one else to
>> ask.
>>
>> Thank you so much in advance for any help you can give me!
>>
>> Wanda Moore
>>
>>  Hi.
> With the Grab tool it grabs a screen image, like Ksnapshot or the windows
> snip tool, so you are probably pasting an image into your document. These
> can move around and you need to look at the Anchor and Wrap
> characteristics. You may find that anchor to page and no wrap suit your
> need.
>
> Copying from a PDF can be as an image or as text. Can you edit the text
> you copy from the PDF. If not it is probably an image and you should treat
> it as for Grab above.
>
> steve
>
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>
>
> On 2012-03-15 14:13, Wanda Moore wrote:
>
>> I have scoured the site to find where I can ask a question, but I couldn't
>> find it.  ( I tried the mailing list, but I got about 100 emails within a
>> couple days, and all repeating over and over. )
>>
>> I have Mac OS X and have been trying to use LibreOffice for a year at
>> least.  I can't find out why the documents keep changing on me.  I "save"
>> everything I do, but when I come back to it, it is all mixed up.  I home
>> school and use this program every day.  I have spent hours redoing page
>> after page and it will still mess up.  Some text will disappear.  I have
>> downloaded PDF files and tried to copy/paste exercises for my kids, but
>> even though it is available for us to do that, it will not stay put on the
>> page.
>>
>> I couldn't find any trouble shooting help, either, and I had a hard time
>> understanding the instructions.  The language is too technical and not
>> clear to me.
>>
>> I do a lot of copying and pasting using different methods, but that
>> doesn't
>> change anything.  Even if I just highlight a portion of text and click
>> "copy" and then "paste" it into a LO document, it will move.  I also use a
>> "Grab" addon tool and that moves around, too.
>>
>> I have always used a .doc format, but I don't know what is best anymore.
>>  I
>> didn't have problems like this with Linux.  Please help me with this
>> problem.  No one I know even uses this program so I have no one else to
>> ask.
>>
>> Thank you so much in advance for any help you can give me!
>>
>> Wanda Moore
>>
>>  Hi.
> With the Grab tool it grabs a screen image, like Ksnapshot or the windows
> snip tool, so you are probably pasting an image into your document. These
> can move around and you need to look at the Anchor and Wrap
> characteristics. You may find that anchor to page and no wrap suit your
> need.
>
> Copying from a PDF can be as an image or as text. Can you edit the text
> you copy from the PDF. If not it is probably an image and you should treat
> it as for Grab above.
>
> steve
>

> Hi :)
> Errr, when you have to share files with other people it is best to send
> them a pdf of the file so they see the way it should look.
> File - "Export as Pdf"
> works for me.
>
> Also when you first get a document from someone else it's a good idea to
> File - "Save As ... "
> and change the format to an OpenDocument Format such as Odt (for a 'text'
> document as used by "Writer") or an Ods for spreadsheet (Calc) or an odg
> for graphics (Draw).
>
> Keep saving your changes to the Odt but when you are ready to send it back
> to the MS Office users use "Save As .. " again to make a copy in .Doc  NOT
> .DocX  I think the format is listed as "MS Word (97/2000/Xp)".  The DocX
> introduced in MS Office 2007 and used in 2010 is difficult for most other
> people, such as people using older versions of MS Office, so using it
> forces people into buying the newer versions of MS Office
>
> Often when Pdfs are used on websites and sometimes even in emails people
> give a link to the Adobe website so that the person trying to open the pdf
> can download and hopefully install Adobe Reader and they make a fuss about
> it being free (in cost).
>
> The same could be done with Odts and has sometimes met with success.  At
> my workplace all the machines now have LibreOffice installed although
> people generally keep using MS Word.
>
> One advantage of LibreOffice is that it handles pictures and images more
> flexibly.  You can anchor to a page or to a paragraph (so that when the
> paragraph moves the picture moves with it) or quite a few other options.
> MS Office can only handle some of them.  Also the wrap options allow text
> to flow around the image or over the top so that the image is in the
> background.  Again MS Office only supports some of the options.  Also in
> LibreOffice you can move the picture around the document fairly freely but
> MS Office often restricts movement to up&down or some other limited
> option.  So, at work we use LibreOffice for our Newsletter because there
> are a lot of pictures in it.
>
> So when sharing with other people
> 1. try to save documents in the native ODF format, such as Odt but then
> re-save as Doc to send on to them and also send them a pdf
> 2. suggest they install LibreOffice alongside their MS Office in the same
> way they have Adobe Reader already.  LibreOffice is tiny and very
> light-weight.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
> --- On Thu, 15/3/12, Wanda Moore <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> From: Wanda Moore <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice-text won't stay
> put
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Thursday, 15 March, 2012, 7:04
>
> Thank you so much!   I love it that I finally found out how to ask a
> question!   Most other sites don't respond at all.
>
> I will try the "anchor to page".   I didn't understand that at first.   I
> still don't know what the other anchors do.   And no, I can't do anything
> inside the image I paste - text or not.   But sometimes all I can do is use
> Grab as "copy" doesn't work on PDFs.
>
> I really like Open Source programs.   And I love LibreOffice.   Well, now
> that my problems are being solved!
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Wanda Moore
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Steve Edmonds
> <[hidden email]>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On 2012-03-15 14:13, Wanda Moore wrote:
> >
> >> I have scoured the site to find where I can ask a question, but I
> couldn't
> >> find it.  ( I tried the mailing list, but I got about 100 emails within
> a
> >> couple days, and all repeating over and over. )
> >>
> >> I have Mac OS X and have been trying to use LibreOffice for a year at
> >> least.  I can't find out why the documents keep changing on me.  I
> "save"
> >> everything I do, but when I come back to it, it is all mixed up.  I home
> >> school and use this program every day.  I have spent hours redoing page
> >> after page and it will still mess up.  Some text will disappear.  I have
> >> downloaded PDF files and tried to copy/paste exercises for my kids, but
> >> even though it is available for us to do that, it will not stay put on
> the
> >> page.
> >>
> >> I couldn't find any trouble shooting help, either, and I had a hard time
> >> understanding the instructions.  The language is too technical and not
> >> clear to me.
> >>
> >> I do a lot of copying and pasting using different methods, but that
> >> doesn't
> >> change anything.  Even if I just highlight a portion of text and click
> >> "copy" and then "paste" it into a LO document, it will move.  I also
> use a
> >> "Grab" addon tool and that moves around, too.
> >>
> >> I have always used a .doc format, but I don't know what is best anymore.
> >>  I
> >> didn't have problems like this with Linux.  Please help me with this
> >> problem.  No one I know even uses this program so I have no one else to
> >> ask.
> >>
> >> Thank you so much in advance for any help you can give me!
> >>
> >> Wanda Moore
> >>
> >>  Hi.
> > With the Grab tool it grabs a screen image, like Ksnapshot or the windows
> > snip tool, so you are probably pasting an image into your document. These
> > can move around and you need to look at the Anchor and Wrap
> > characteristics. You may find that anchor to page and no wrap suit your
> > need.
> >
> > Copying from a PDF can be as an image or as text. Can you edit the text
> > you copy from the PDF. If not it is probably an image and you should
> treat
> > it as for Grab above.
> >
> > steve
> >
>
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> On 15/03/2012 at 02:13, Wanda Moore <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > I have always used a .doc format, but I don't know what is best anymore.
>
> I think that this may be root of your problems. DOC files are native for MS
> Office. LibreOffice tries it's best to load and save them, but most of
> time the
> quality is at least questionable.
>
> Try using LO native format, that is ODT (for text files). It's as simple as
> choosing File → Save as → choosing "ODF Text Document (.odt)" from
> drop-down
> list below form for file name.
>
> I keep all my LO files in ODT. If I have to send them for someone to read,
> then
> I export them as PDF (File → Export as PDF, or icon on toolbar). If I have
> to
> send them for someone who should be able to modify them, then I save them
> as
> DOC (except rare cases when I know that receiver is using LO/OOo, in which
> case I send ODT). Although I have to edit these files when I get them back,
> because they tend to look quite different.
>
> If you would like to save files in ODT by default (what I encourage to do),
> try:
> Tools → Options → Load/Save → General → Always save as → choose "ODF Text
> Document" from drop-down list.
> --
> Best regards
> Mirosław Zalewski
>
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> Hi :)
> Errr, when you have to share files with other people it is best to send
> them a pdf of the file so they see the way it should look.
> File - "Export as Pdf"
> works for me.
>
> Also when you first get a document from someone else it's a good idea to
> File - "Save As ... "
> and change the format to an OpenDocument Format such as Odt (for a 'text'
> document as used by "Writer") or an Ods for spreadsheet (Calc) or an odg
> for graphics (Draw).
>
> Keep saving your changes to the Odt but when you are ready to send it back
> to the MS Office users use "Save As .. " again to make a copy in .Doc  NOT
> .DocX  I think the format is listed as "MS Word (97/2000/Xp)".  The DocX
> introduced in MS Office 2007 and used in 2010 is difficult for most other
> people, such as people using older versions of MS Office, so using it
> forces people into buying the newer versions of MS Office
>
> Often when Pdfs are used on websites and sometimes even in emails people
> give a link to the Adobe website so that the person trying to open the pdf
> can download and hopefully install Adobe Reader and they make a fuss about
> it being free (in cost).
>
> The same could be done with Odts and has sometimes met with success.  At
> my workplace all the machines now have LibreOffice installed although
> people generally keep using MS Word.
>
> One advantage of LibreOffice is that it handles pictures and images more
> flexibly.  You can anchor to a page or to a paragraph (so that when the
> paragraph moves the picture moves with it) or quite a few other options.
> MS Office can only handle some of them.  Also the wrap options allow text
> to flow around the image or over the top so that the image is in the
> background.  Again MS Office only supports some of the options.  Also in
> LibreOffice you can move the picture around the document fairly freely but
> MS Office often restricts movement to up&down or some other limited
> option.  So, at work we use LibreOffice for our Newsletter because there
> are a lot of pictures in it.
>
> So when sharing with other people
> 1. try to save documents in the native ODF format, such as Odt but then
> re-save as Doc to send on to them and also send them a pdf
> 2. suggest they install LibreOffice alongside their MS Office in the same
> way they have Adobe Reader already.  LibreOffice is tiny and very
> light-weight.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
> --- On Thu, 15/3/12, Wanda Moore <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> From: Wanda Moore <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Problem with LibreOffice-text won't stay
> put
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Thursday, 15 March, 2012, 7:04
>
> Thank you so much!   I love it that I finally found out how to ask a
> question!   Most other sites don't respond at all.
>
> I will try the "anchor to page".   I didn't understand that at first.   I
> still don't know what the other anchors do.   And no, I can't do anything
> inside the image I paste - text or not.   But sometimes all I can do is use
> Grab as "copy" doesn't work on PDFs.
>
> I really like Open Source programs.   And I love LibreOffice.   Well, now
> that my problems are being solved!
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Wanda Moore
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 8:38 PM, Steve Edmonds
> <[hidden email]>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On 2012-03-15 14:13, Wanda Moore wrote:
> >
> >> I have scoured the site to find where I can ask a question, but I
> couldn't
> >> find it.  ( I tried the mailing list, but I got about 100 emails within
> a
> >> couple days, and all repeating over and over. )
> >>
> >> I have Mac OS X and have been trying to use LibreOffice for a year at
> >> least.  I can't find out why the documents keep changing on me.  I
> "save"
> >> everything I do, but when I come back to it, it is all mixed up.  I home
> >> school and use this program every day.  I have spent hours redoing page
> >> after page and it will still mess up.  Some text will disappear.  I have
> >> downloaded PDF files and tried to copy/paste exercises for my kids, but
> >> even though it is available for us to do that, it will not stay put on
> the
> >> page.
> >>
> >> I couldn't find any trouble shooting help, either, and I had a hard time
> >> understanding the instructions.  The language is too technical and not
> >> clear to me.
> >>
> >> I do a lot of copying and pasting using different methods, but that
> >> doesn't
> >> change anything.  Even if I just highlight a portion of text and click
> >> "copy" and then "paste" it into a LO document, it will move.  I also
> use a
> >> "Grab" addon tool and that moves around, too.
> >>
> >> I have always used a .doc format, but I don't know what is best anymore.
> >>  I
> >> didn't have problems like this with Linux.  Please help me with this
> >> problem.  No one I know even uses this program so I have no one else to
> >> ask.
> >>
> >> Thank you so much in advance for any help you can give me!
> >>
> >> Wanda Moore
> >>
> >>  Hi.
> > With the Grab tool it grabs a screen image, like Ksnapshot or the windows
> > snip tool, so you are probably pasting an image into your document. These
> > can move around and you need to look at the Anchor and Wrap
> > characteristics. You may find that anchor to page and no wrap suit your
> > need.
> >
> > Copying from a PDF can be as an image or as text. Can you edit the text
> > you copy from the PDF. If not it is probably an image and you should
> treat
> > it as for Grab above.
> >
> > steve
> >
>
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