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Volker Merschmann |
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as already written to the marketing list: Can the maintainer of https://www.facebook.com/libreoffice.org please raise his hand? I've seen again that the folder http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/ has been mentioned there to promote testing. This is not very useful as this is a single machine to carry the load. It is better to wait for the mirror network, which makes the test-builds available at http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/ Thank you. Volker -- Volker Merschmann Member of The Document Foundation http://www.documentfoundation.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted |
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Volker Merschmann |
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Hi,
2012/3/7 Volker Merschmann <[hidden email]>: > Can the maintainer of https://www.facebook.com/libreoffice.org please > raise his hand? > > I've seen again that the folder > http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/pre-releases/ has been mentioned > there to promote testing. > This is not very useful as this is a single machine to carry the load. > It is better to wait for the mirror network, which makes the > test-builds available at > http://download.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/testing/ > In the meantime I have found the names of the maintainers: Gerard Jensen, Don Crowley, Nikola Yanev I do not know any of them and they are not linked from the FB-page. Can anybody help? Volker -- Volker Merschmann Member of The Document Foundation http://www.documentfoundation.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted |
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Volker Merschmann wrote (07-03-12 13:59)
> In the meantime I have found the names of the maintainers: Gerard > Jensen, Don Crowley, Nikola Yanev > I do not know any of them and they are not linked from the FB-page. > > Can anybody help? Don't know them either. But am willing to post a polite message, if in the mean time (we're only 9 days later ;-) ) not someone else took action on this. regards, -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted |
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Volker Merschmann |
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Hi Cor,
2012/3/16 Cor Nouws <[hidden email]>: > Volker Merschmann wrote (07-03-12 13:59) >> In the meantime I have found the names of the maintainers: Gerard >> Jensen, Don Crowley, Nikola Yanev >> I do not know any of them and they are not linked from the FB-page. >> >> Can anybody help? > > > Don't know them either. But am willing to post a polite message, if in the > mean time (we're only 9 days later ;-) ) not someone else took action on > this. > https://www.facebook.com/libreoffice.org/posts/364685130219760 with some hints, but nobody of them replied. I think we have to wait for the next pre-release and see how they will act. Volker -- Volker Merschmann Member of The Document Foundation http://www.documentfoundation.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted |
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On Fri, 2012-03-16 at 15:34 +0100, Volker Merschmann wrote:
> Hi Cor, > > 2012/3/16 Cor Nouws <[hidden email]>: > > Volker Merschmann wrote (07-03-12 13:59) > >> In the meantime I have found the names of the maintainers: Gerard > >> Jensen, Don Crowley, Nikola Yanev > >> I do not know any of them and they are not linked from the FB-page. > >> > >> Can anybody help? > > > > > > Don't know them either. But am willing to post a polite message, if in the > > mean time (we're only 9 days later ;-) ) not someone else took action on > > this. > > > As there is no possiblity to write to the page owners I commented on > https://www.facebook.com/libreoffice.org/posts/364685130219760 with > some hints, but nobody of them replied. > > I think we have to wait for the next pre-release and see how they will act. Well, at least the general public can post to their page - more then can be said for some. > > > Volker > > > > -- > Volker Merschmann > Member of The Document Foundation > http://www.documentfoundation.org > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted |
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Do we really want to advertise RCs on Facebook or Twitter? I know that advertising the regular releases vis social networks would be a good idea, but having people comment about issues with RCs on the social networks might confuse people. I rarely use the social networks. I signed up and I get "friend" requests from people wanting to sell me things or people that I have nothing in common with, including the language we speak. Then there are people who want me to be with their fan-club type of groups. Sorry, I do not have time for these people. To be honest, having good word-of-mouth about LibreOffice is always good, but I really do not know how many people out there on these social networks would know the difference between a RC version and a "finalized" version. Then there is the potential issue of 3.5.1 being recommended over 3.4.5 on the web page download system. I personally would not recommend 3.5.0, and now 3.5.1 for business and enterprise users. I do not think with all the problems with this new line, we want to recommend 3.5.0/1 for ALL users. That is another thing that confused a business man who was going to download a new version of LO. He had 3.4.4 and hear that there was a new version out and downloaded 3.5.0. He should have download 3.4.5 for his business computers. He really was turned off by the problems with 3.5.0. That same type of negative user response could happen with people seeing problems and issues with RC version of the package on the social networks. IF you have it there, you must make it clear that LO RC-1-3.5.2 or RC-1-3.4.6 is a release candidate being tested for errors/issues and not the normal release. Well that is my opinion. On 03/16/2012 11:06 AM, drew jensen wrote: > On Fri, 2012-03-16 at 15:34 +0100, Volker Merschmann wrote: >> Hi Cor, >> >> 2012/3/16 Cor Nouws<[hidden email]>: >>> Volker Merschmann wrote (07-03-12 13:59) >>>> In the meantime I have found the names of the maintainers: Gerard >>>> Jensen, Don Crowley, Nikola Yanev >>>> I do not know any of them and they are not linked from the FB-page. >>>> >>>> Can anybody help? >>> >>> Don't know them either. But am willing to post a polite message, if in the >>> mean time (we're only 9 days later ;-) ) not someone else took action on >>> this. >>> >> As there is no possiblity to write to the page owners I commented on >> https://www.facebook.com/libreoffice.org/posts/364685130219760 with >> some hints, but nobody of them replied. >> >> I think we have to wait for the next pre-release and see how they will act. > Well, at least the general public can post to their page - more then can > be said for some. > > >> >> Volker >> >> >> >> -- >> Volker Merschmann >> Member of The Document Foundation >> http://www.documentfoundation.org >> > > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted |
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Volker Merschmann |
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Hi,
2012/3/16 webmaster for Kracked Press Productions <[hidden email]>: > > Do we really want to advertise RCs on Facebook or Twitter? > Please re-read my initial posting, this is not what I wanted to talk about. There are people outside the community here, which are doing this, and I dislike *how* they are doing this. Volker -- Volker Merschmann Member of The Document Foundation http://www.documentfoundation.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted |
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Olav Dahlum |
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On 16/03/12 20:15, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote:
> > Do we really want to advertise RCs on Facebook or Twitter? I already do this for the Norwegian versions. My followers have told me that they want news about more than stable releases, so I give them that. > > I know that advertising the regular releases vis social networks would > be a good idea, but having people comment about issues with RCs on the > social networks might confuse people. This works very well, and people expect us to be on social media services. If you promote Ask LibreOffice and the simplified Bugzilla frontend as well, the ranting shouldn't be a problem. I also have a contact form on the Norwegian website for such reasons, which people use quite frequently. > > I rarely use the social networks. I signed up and I get "friend" > requests from people wanting to sell me things or people that I have > nothing in common with, including the language we speak. Then there are > people who want me to be with their fan-club type of groups. Sorry, I > do not have time for these people. With the rise of LibreOffice Online, the iOS and Android ports, these medias are more important than ever before. If you want awareness, contributors, and supporters, you also have to deal with some spam from time to time. > > To be honest, having good word-of-mouth about LibreOffice is always > good, but I really do not know how many people out there on these social > networks would know the difference between a RC version and a > "finalized" version. Even the most technology impaired people get it if you formulate it correctly. > > Then there is the potential issue of 3.5.1 being recommended over 3.4.5 > on the web page download system. I personally would not recommend > 3.5.0, and now 3.5.1 for business and enterprise users. I do not think > with all the problems with this new line, we want to recommend 3.5.0/1 > for ALL users. Most users are conservative, but telling them it's an new generation might not be the worst idea. > > That is another thing that confused a business man who was going to > download a new version of LO. He had 3.4.4 and hear that there was a > new version out and downloaded 3.5.0. He should have download 3.4.5 for > his business computers. He really was turned off by the problems with > 3.5.0. Clearly something for marketing to take care of. I agree on this matter, and the download page should reflect this fact. > > That same type of negative user response could happen with people seeing > problems and issues with RC version of the package on the social networks. > > IF you have it there, you must make it clear that LO RC-1-3.5.2 or > RC-1-3.4.6 is a release candidate being tested for errors/issues and not > the normal release. This why it bears the RC mark in the first place. And this is why rebuilding the packages for the stable release are so important, as they can't have any references to the release clients. The same goes for the feature pages … > > Well that is my opinion. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted |
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On 16/03/12 21:42, Volker Merschmann wrote:
> Hi, > > 2012/3/16 webmaster for Kracked Press Productions <[hidden email]>: >> >> Do we really want to advertise RCs on Facebook or Twitter? >> > Please re-read my initial posting, this is not what I wanted to talk about. > There are people outside the community here, which are doing this, and > I dislike *how* they are doing this. > > Volker > > If they overload the servers not intended for general use, it's a big problem. – Olav -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted |
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Florian Effenberger |
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Hi,
webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote on 2012-03-16 20:15: > Do we really want to advertise RCs on Facebook or Twitter? it's me who regularly posts to the social networks, including Facebook and Twitter. From time to time (with no pattern) I also announce RCs. However, I then clearly manage it's a release candidate. I'm not sure what works best. I guess informing the world about an RC makes sense, so people see progress being made, and interested QA supporters can join early. It's just important to clearly announce it's a RC. Florian -- Florian Effenberger <[hidden email]> Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted |
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Florian Effenberger wrote (19-03-12 10:18)
> webmaster for Kracked Press Productions wrote on 2012-03-16 20:15: >> Do we really want to advertise RCs on Facebook or Twitter? > > it's me who regularly posts to the social networks, including Facebook > and Twitter. From time to time (with no pattern) I also announce RCs. > However, I then clearly manage it's a release candidate. > > I'm not sure what works best. I guess informing the world about an RC > makes sense, so people see progress being made, and interested QA > supporters can join early. It's just important to clearly announce it's > a RC. I fully agree. The initial comment was, that release candidates better are not promoted before they are spread around the mirror network. And the Facebook article did not wait for that. Cheers, -- - Cor - http://nl.libreoffice.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted |
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Florian Effenberger |
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Hi,
Cor Nouws wrote on 2012-03-19 13:20: > I fully agree. > The initial comment was, that release candidates better are not promoted > before they are spread around the mirror network. > And the Facebook article did not wait for that. I usually try to only post when it's public. I think it slipped through one or two times, which was my mistake. However, what others post is, of course, out of our control. Florian -- Florian Effenberger <[hidden email]> Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted |
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Hello all,
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 21:34, Volker Merschmann <[hidden email]> wrote: > As there is no possiblity to write to the page owners I commented on > https://www.facebook.com/libreoffice.org/posts/364685130219760 with > some hints, but nobody of them replied. > > I think we have to wait for the next pre-release and see how they will act. And now they prove that they didn't read it yet. :) https://www.facebook.com/libreoffice.org/posts/117907834999583 Best Regards, -- Korrawit Pruegsanusak -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted |
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12-03-22 11:21 AM, Korrawit Pruegsanusak wrote: > Hello all, > > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 21:34, Volker Merschmann <[hidden email]> wrote: >> As there is no possiblity to write to the page owners I commented on >> https://www.facebook.com/libreoffice.org/posts/364685130219760 with >> some hints, but nobody of them replied. >> >> I think we have to wait for the next pre-release and see how they will act. > > And now they prove that they didn't read it yet. :) > https://www.facebook.com/libreoffice.org/posts/117907834999583 > > Best Regards, Facebook is the last place I'd ask for help on this kind of things. My main concern is the information remains trapped in Facebook and may disappear altogether - and it requires an account if you want others to see it. There is specific doc for LibreOffice on Ubuntu here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibreOffice If you see something missing there ping/email me, I've been editing that page as time permits. And this seems to be most efficient for general questions on Ubuntu + anything: http://askubuntu.com/ You can also try this, its popularity is picking up fast in popularity/efficiency: http://ask.libreoffice.org Cheers, Fabián Rodríguez http://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:MagicFab - -- - -- Fabián Rodríguez -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk9rRfkACgkQfUcTXFrypNXMWwCfcls1tEjhQeJVF8dgzSkPHKk0 jbwAnAwlwy35/wyMUKVfT28+6GAUiuXS =KJDp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted |
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Volker Merschmann |
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Hi,
2012/3/22 Korrawit Pruegsanusak <[hidden email]>: > On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 21:34, Volker Merschmann <[hidden email]> wrote: >> As there is no possiblity to write to the page owners I commented on >> https://www.facebook.com/libreoffice.org/posts/364685130219760 with >> some hints, but nobody of them replied. >> >> I think we have to wait for the next pre-release and see how they will act. > > And now they prove that they didn't read it yet. :) > https://www.facebook.com/libreoffice.org/posts/117907834999583 > @Florian: Can we claim that they are using our brand without permission? Volker -- Volker Merschmann Member of The Document Foundation http://www.documentfoundation.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted |
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Florian Effenberger |
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Hi,
Volker Merschmann wrote on 2012-03-22 16:37: > @Florian: Can we claim that they are using our brand without permission? do we know whom this site belongs to? Florian -- Florian Effenberger <[hidden email]> Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted |
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Volker Merschmann |
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Hi Florian,
2012/3/23 Florian Effenberger <[hidden email]>: > Volker Merschmann wrote on 2012-03-22 16:37: > >> @Florian: Can we claim that they are using our brand without permission? > > > do we know whom this site belongs to? > > They are named on the FB page as: Gerard Jensen, Don Crowley, Nikola Yanev I have asked before, nobody knows them inside the project and there is no possibility to contact them through the fanpage. Volker -- Volker Merschmann Member of The Document Foundation http://www.documentfoundation.org -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted |
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Hi Volker, *,
Am 22.03.2012 16:37 schrieb Volker Merschmann: > 2012/3/22 Korrawit Pruegsanusak <[hidden email]>: >> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 21:34, Volker Merschmann <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> As there is no possiblity to write to the page owners I commented on >>> https://www.facebook.com/libreoffice.org/posts/364685130219760 with >>> some hints, but nobody of them replied. >>> I think we have to wait for the next pre-release and see how they will act. >> And now they prove that they didn't read it yet. :) >> https://www.facebook.com/libreoffice.org/posts/117907834999583 > I did a repost there. :-( > @Florian: Can we claim that they are using our brand without permission? I consider this bad practise. From my POV the community way for sucht thing, was to improve the download infrastructure for testing and instead of threatening them, welcome people's efforts doing advertisment for the project. As the poster obviously doesn't take advantage of his post in a bad way we should obstain from this. Gruß/regards -- Friedrich Libreoffice-Box http://libreofficebox.org/ LibreOffice and more on CD/DVD images -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted |
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Christian Lohmaier (klammer) |
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Hi Friedrich,
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Friedrich Strohmaier <[hidden email]> wrote: > From my POV the community way for sucht thing, was to improve the > download infrastructure for testing and instead of threatening them, This has nothing to do with the download infrastructure. Uploading to the prerelease server was done to give testers a chance to sanity check the releases, to prevent comments like "How could you even push a version with such an obvious bug as RC" We had such a problem in the very beginning, so this intermediate step was introduced. You could argue that this would only be necessary for betas / the .0 releases, but that's a different topic. The prerelease one is explicitly meant to test (sanity-check) the release before going public with it. If it was meant to be public right from the start, then it would be added to the mirror-network right away. ciao Christian -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted |
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Florian Effenberger |
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Hi,
Volker Merschmann wrote on 2012-03-23 12:43: > They are named on the FB page as: > Gerard Jensen, Don Crowley, Nikola Yanev > > I have asked before, nobody knows them inside the project and there is > no possibility to contact them through the fanpage. anyone tried to post on their Facebook page/wall to get in touch with them? Florian -- Florian Effenberger <[hidden email]> Chairman of the Board at The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to [hidden email] Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/website/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted |
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