Putting "Join us" page as top-level menu item?

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Mike Saunders Mike Saunders
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Putting "Join us" page as top-level menu item?

Hi everyone,

One of the ideas that came up at the LibreOffice Conference was to take
this page:

https://www.libreoffice.org/community/get-involved/

which is currently linked inside the "Get involved" menu as "Join us!",
and turn it into a separate item in the top bar, next to Discover,
Download, Get help and so on.

What does everyone else think? Would it make the menu too cluttered? Is
it sensible to maybe combine some other top-level items into another
menu? Would it break anyone's documentation?

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On January 30, 2018 1:58:33 AM MST, Mike Saunders <[hidden email]> wrote:

>One of the ideas that came up at the LibreOffice Conference was to take
>this page:
>
>https://www.libreoffice.org/community/get-involved/
>
>which is currently linked inside the "Get involved" menu as "Join us!",
>and turn it into a separate item in the top bar, next to Discover,
>Download, Get help and so on.
>
>What does everyone else think? Would it make the menu too cluttered? Is
>it sensible to maybe combine some other top-level items into another
>menu? Would it break anyone's documentation?

As a new user, I would be confused because 'Join Us' and 'Get Involved' sound like the same thing.

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Ilmari Lauhakangas Ilmari Lauhakangas
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On January 30, Jan 2018 07:57:48 -0700, Brett Cornwall <[hidden email]>
wrote:

> On January 30, 2018 1:58:33 AM MST, Mike Saunders
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> One of the ideas that came up at the LibreOffice Conference was to
>> take
>> this page:
>>
>> https://www.libreoffice.org/community/get-involved/
>>
>> which is currently linked inside the "Get involved" menu as "Join
>> us!",
>> and turn it into a separate item in the top bar, next to Discover,
>> Download, Get help and so on.
>>
>> What does everyone else think? Would it make the menu too cluttered?
>> Is
>> it sensible to maybe combine some other top-level items into another
>> menu? Would it break anyone's documentation?
>
> As a new user, I would be confused because 'Join Us' and 'Get Involved'
> sound like the same thing.

I proposed the change based on feedback received last year. Now that I
thought about it again, it might just be enough to change "Get involved"
to "Volunteer work" to achieve the original purpose of clarifying the
wording. Most of the menu items in there are directly related to
contributing. "Nextcloud", "Pads" and "Wiki" are more like notes for
convenience.

The URL can stay the same as even now "Join us" is the actual link
leading to /get-involved/

I mean I hope we can customise the top menu item text without changing
the page title itself.

Regards,
Ilmari

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Mike Saunders Mike Saunders
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Re: Putting "Join us" page as top-level menu item?

Hi Ilmari, everyone,

On 31/01/2018 14:01, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:
>
> I proposed the change based on feedback received last year. Now that I
> thought about it again, it might just be enough to change "Get involved"
> to "Volunteer work" to achieve the original purpose of clarifying the
> wording.

I'd be a bit cautious about putting the word "work" in there. For those
people who contribute to the project in their spare time, and do
"normal" work during the day, we don't want to suggest that it's further
work on their pile :-)

And ideally, it should be fun, stimulating and fulfilling to get
involved with the project. So it shouldn't seem like "work" at all (even
though obviously some tasks are a bit laborious).

Also I think it's useful to have an active verb there at the start -- a
call do action, like "get" or "do" or "join" or something like that. At
least in the magazine world, we were always encouraged to use them...

Just my 2 cents however -- what do others think?

Cheers,
Mike

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On 02.02.2018 13:56, Mike Saunders wrote:

> Hi Ilmari, everyone,
>
> On 31/01/2018 14:01, Ilmari Lauhakangas wrote:
>>
>> I proposed the change based on feedback received last year. Now that I
>> thought about it again, it might just be enough to change "Get
>> involved"
>> to "Volunteer work" to achieve the original purpose of clarifying the
>> wording.
>
> I'd be a bit cautious about putting the word "work" in there. For those
> people who contribute to the project in their spare time, and do
> "normal" work during the day, we don't want to suggest that it's
> further
> work on their pile :-)
>
> And ideally, it should be fun, stimulating and fulfilling to get
> involved with the project. So it shouldn't seem like "work" at all
> (even
> though obviously some tasks are a bit laborious).
>
> Also I think it's useful to have an active verb there at the start -- a
> call do action, like "get" or "do" or "join" or something like that. At
> least in the magazine world, we were always encouraged to use them...

"Volunteer" can also be read as a verb. Remember that some people even
pay out of their own pocket to be able to travel somewhere and work as a
volunteer.

I don't understand the desire to dilute the meaning of what volunteers
do to help the project. It is certainly real work and should be
perceived as such. Similarly, I find it awful when someone proposes a
paid position to someone who previously volunteered, with the idea that
a low pay is acceptable as "you would do it anyway".

Muddling the image of the work would also conflict with the fact that we
give out certificates to first committers. If it was just fun and games,
no one would want to mention it in their CV.

Ilmari

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