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mirek2

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Inclusion of Gnome Tango Icons?

Hi everyone,
I've received a response from Lapo, who seems to be ok with relicensing the
icons. He also offered to design any icons we need to avoid feeling like a
mishmash icon set.
Here's the message:

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Lapo Calamandrei <[hidden email]>
Date: 2012/5/11
Subject: Re: Gnome Icon Set
To: "Mirek M." <[hidden email]>
Cc: Jakub Steiner <[hidden email]>

Hi Marek,
I think every icon here is made by Jakub or myself, so thumbs up for
relicensing this stuff whatever license LibreOffice needs. Also feel
free to ask any custom icon you may need, I'm a LibreOffice user and I
hate mishmash icon sets :-)

Ciao
Lapo

2012/5/10 Mirek M. <[hidden email]>:
> Hi Lapo,
> Here's the complete list of icons we'd like to use (from Astron):
> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/attachment/3645733/0/listoficons.txt.
> If some of the icons are not authored by you, could you point us to the
> actual author(s)?
> Thanks. :)

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Björn Balazs

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Inclusion of Gnome Tango Icons?

Hi all,

Am Samstag, 12. Mai 2012, 00:21:29 schrieb Mirek M.:
> Hi everyone,
> I've received a response from Lapo, who seems to be ok with relicensing the
> icons. He also offered to design any icons we need to avoid feeling like a
> mishmash icon set.

This is great news. If we have a willing icon designer, we can actually start
to meassure the quality of our existing icons, respecting our international
users. This way we can step-by-step increase the quality by replacing the
worst icons and hence ensuring a consistent icon quality over time.

We would need a small team of perhaps 2 or 3 people who are willing to work on
this topic over a longer period of time to get some real results here. We
would have to work closely with the localization teams and we would need the
icon designers willing to support us in this process, of course. I am willing
to mentor the process and help you to do it efficiently. I can provide the
needed tools (aGPL) including the hosting of the service.

What do you guys think? Anyone interested?

Cheers,
Björn

> Here's the message:
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Lapo Calamandrei <[hidden email]>
> Date: 2012/5/11
> Subject: Re: Gnome Icon Set
> To: "Mirek M." <[hidden email]>
> Cc: Jakub Steiner <[hidden email]>
>
>
> Hi Marek,
> I think every icon here is made by Jakub or myself, so thumbs up for
> relicensing this stuff whatever license LibreOffice needs. Also feel
> free to ask any custom icon you may need, I'm a LibreOffice user and I
> hate mishmash icon sets :-)
>
> Ciao
> Lapo
>
> 2012/5/10 Mirek M. <[hidden email]>:
> > Hi Lapo,
> > Here's the complete list of icons we'd like to use (from Astron):
> > http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/attachment/3645733/0/listoficons.txt.
> > If some of the icons are not authored by you, could you point us to the
> > actual author(s)?
> > Thanks. :)

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mirek2

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Inclusion of Gnome Tango Icons?

2012/5/14 Björn Balazs <[hidden email]>

I'm not sure if I would see Lapo as a willing icon designer -- he's
involved in other projects, most notably Gnome, and his time and energy is
limited (at least that's the way I see it).

I agree with replacing the worst icons first, though, of course.

>
> We would need a small team of perhaps 2 or 3 people who are willing to
> work on
> this topic over a longer period of time to get some real results here. We
> would have to work closely with the localization teams and we would need
> the
> icon designers willing to support us in this process, of course.

Why the localization teams? Both Gnome and Tango discourage against
localizing icons. Rather, to represent text, they use the "A" glyph, which
is the first letter in the Latin, Greek, and Cyrillic alphabets.
It has been thoroughly tested in a variety of projects using the Tango
icons, like LibreOffice, Inkscape, GIMP, etc.

> I am willing
> to mentor the process and help you to do it efficiently. I can provide the
> needed tools (aGPL) including the hosting of the service.
>

What service? What do you actually propose to do? How would the team work?

What do you guys think? Anyone interested?
>

Icon design isn't really my turf, so not me.

>
> Cheers,
> Björn
>
>
>
> > Here's the message:
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Lapo Calamandrei <[hidden email]>
> > Date: 2012/5/11
> > Subject: Re: Gnome Icon Set
> > To: "Mirek M." <[hidden email]>
> > Cc: Jakub Steiner <[hidden email]>
> >
> >
> > Hi Marek,
> > I think every icon here is made by Jakub or myself, so thumbs up for
> > relicensing this stuff whatever license LibreOffice needs. Also feel
> > free to ask any custom icon you may need, I'm a LibreOffice user and I
> > hate mishmash icon sets :-)
> >
> > Ciao
> > Lapo
> >
> > 2012/5/10 Mirek M. <[hidden email]>:
> > > Hi Lapo,
> > > Here's the complete list of icons we'd like to use (from Astron):
> > >
> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/attachment/3645733/0/listoficons.txt.
> > > If some of the icons are not authored by you, could you point us to the
> > > actual author(s)?
> > > Thanks. :)
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Anne Arundel Locker-Thaddeus

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Inclusion of Gnome Tango Icons?

In reply to this post by Björn Balazs

Hello!

I am a newbie here, but I like the idea of working on icons. My background
includes some useful skills: crafting objectives, designing measurement
scales, and evaluating outcomes. Let me know how I can help!

Anne Arundel

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Björn Balazs <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Am Samstag, 12. Mai 2012, 00:21:29 schrieb Mirek M.:
> > Hi everyone,
> > I've received a response from Lapo, who seems to be ok with relicensing
> the
> > icons. He also offered to design any icons we need to avoid feeling like
> a
> > mishmash icon set.
>
> This is great news. If we have a willing icon designer, we can actually
> start
> to meassure the quality of our existing icons, respecting our international
> users. This way we can step-by-step increase the quality by replacing the
> worst icons and hence ensuring a consistent icon quality over time.
>
> We would need a small team of perhaps 2 or 3 people who are willing to
> work on
> this topic over a longer period of time to get some real results here. We
> would have to work closely with the localization teams and we would need
> the
> icon designers willing to support us in this process, of course. I am
> willing
> to mentor the process and help you to do it efficiently. I can provide the
> needed tools (aGPL) including the hosting of the service.
>
> What do you guys think? Anyone interested?
>
> Cheers,
> Björn
>
>
>
> > Here's the message:
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Lapo Calamandrei <[hidden email]>
> > Date: 2012/5/11
> > Subject: Re: Gnome Icon Set
> > To: "Mirek M." <[hidden email]>
> > Cc: Jakub Steiner <[hidden email]>
> >
> >
> > Hi Marek,
> > I think every icon here is made by Jakub or myself, so thumbs up for
> > relicensing this stuff whatever license LibreOffice needs. Also feel
> > free to ask any custom icon you may need, I'm a LibreOffice user and I
> > hate mishmash icon sets :-)
> >
> > Ciao
> > Lapo
> >
> > 2012/5/10 Mirek M. <[hidden email]>:
> > > Hi Lapo,
> > > Here's the complete list of icons we'd like to use (from Astron):
> > >
> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/attachment/3645733/0/listoficons.txt.
> > > If some of the icons are not authored by you, could you point us to the
> > > actual author(s)?
> > > Thanks. :)
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Anne Arundel Locker-Thaddeus

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Inclusion of Gnome Tango Icons?

Hello, part 2...
My background also includes several design classes (at the hobbyist level),
and concerns about accessibility, so I see myself as an informed
layperson.

I have reviewed what discussions are available to me (not much, just one
page on the DF wiki:Design/Tango refresh 3.6; and one Nabble discussion:
http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/New-icons-in-Tango-td3905093.html#none)
but I would like to know more about the history and the decision to use
Tango icons before I jump in to discussions.

Thanks!
Anne Arundel

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Anne Arundel Locker-Thaddeus <
[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hello!
>
> I am a newbie here, but I like the idea of working on icons. My
> background includes some useful skills: crafting objectives, designing
> measurement scales, and evaluating outcomes. Let me know how I can help!
>
> Anne Arundel
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Björn Balazs <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Am Samstag, 12. Mai 2012, 00:21:29 schrieb Mirek M.:
>> > Hi everyone,
>> > I've received a response from Lapo, who seems to be ok with relicensing
>> the
>> > icons. He also offered to design any icons we need to avoid feeling
>> like a
>> > mishmash icon set.
>>
>> This is great news. If we have a willing icon designer, we can actually
>> start
>> to meassure the quality of our existing icons, respecting our
>> international
>> users. This way we can step-by-step increase the quality by replacing the
>> worst icons and hence ensuring a consistent icon quality over time.
>>
>> We would need a small team of perhaps 2 or 3 people who are willing to
>> work on
>> this topic over a longer period of time to get some real results here. We
>> would have to work closely with the localization teams and we would need
>> the
>> icon designers willing to support us in this process, of course. I am
>> willing
>> to mentor the process and help you to do it efficiently. I can provide the
>> needed tools (aGPL) including the hosting of the service.
>>
>> What do you guys think? Anyone interested?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Björn
>>
>>
>>
>> > Here's the message:
>> >
>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> > From: Lapo Calamandrei <[hidden email]>
>> > Date: 2012/5/11
>> > Subject: Re: Gnome Icon Set
>> > To: "Mirek M." <[hidden email]>
>> > Cc: Jakub Steiner <[hidden email]>
>> >
>> >
>> > Hi Marek,
>> > I think every icon here is made by Jakub or myself, so thumbs up for
>> > relicensing this stuff whatever license LibreOffice needs. Also feel
>> > free to ask any custom icon you may need, I'm a LibreOffice user and I
>> > hate mishmash icon sets :-)
>> >
>> > Ciao
>> > Lapo
>> >
>> > 2012/5/10 Mirek M. <[hidden email]>:
>> > > Hi Lapo,
>> > > Here's the complete list of icons we'd like to use (from Astron):
>> > >
>> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/attachment/3645733/0/listoficons.txt
>> .
>> > > If some of the icons are not authored by you, could you point us to
>> the
>> > > actual author(s)?
>> > > Thanks. :)
>> --
>> www.OpenUsability.org
>> www.OpenSource-Usability-Labs.com
>>
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>

mirek2

Re: [Libreoffice-ux-advise] Inclusion of Gnome Tango Icons?

Hi Anne,
Right now, Stefan Knorr (aka. Astron) is in charge of replacing some of our
current Tango icons with newer ones from the Gnome project. He's currently
making a list of icons we could replace outright and icons that need to be
tweaked, and, until that's done, there's no work to be done on this topic
yet.
I'm not sure what the original reason behind making Tango icons default was
-- I can only speculate that it was done to distance the project a bit from
OpenOffice.org and be more in line with other open-source projects, many of
which have also opted to use Tango icons.

If you'd like to help out with the current icons, you'll have to ask Astron
or wait a bit until he releases a list of things to work on.
There was also an initiative to create a new simpler set of icons, but it
has been shelved until an experienced icon designer shows up and takes
charge of it:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboards/Flat_icon_set . If
you'd like to lead that, you're welcome to.

If you'd like to help out in general, take a look at the things we're
working on right now:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design#Our_Current_Endeavors . If
you're more of a visual designer than an interaction designer, you might be
interested in our call for templates:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Call_for_Templates .

You also mentioned being interested in accessibility -- you might want to
subscribe to the accessibility mailing list by sending an empty message to
[hidden email] .

2012/5/21 Anne Arundel Locker-Thaddeus <[hidden email]>

> Hello, part 2...
> My background also includes several design classes (at the hobbyist level),
> and concerns about accessibility, so I see myself as an informed
> layperson.
>
> I have reviewed what discussions are available to me (not much, just one
> page on the DF wiki:Design/Tango refresh 3.6; and one Nabble discussion:
> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/New-icons-in-Tango-td3905093.html#none
> )
> but I would like to know more about the history and the decision to use
> Tango icons before I jump in to discussions.
>
> Thanks!
> Anne Arundel
>