Re: [certification] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LO/OOo certification

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Re: [certification] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LO/OOo certification

Ian, I wanted to get certified via the "theingots.org" web-page but alas I cannot. I am in the United States. How cam I get certified so I can effectively market LibO here in the United States? I want to offer training and support to my customers.

What can I do?

On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Ian wrote:

> On Sun, 2010-11-07 at 13:14 -0500, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
>> Can folks outside of Europe help?
>>
>> Is there going to be any remote-participation capacity? At least a
>> skype group call with a mic and speakers in the room?
>>
>> - Evan Leibovitch
>
> Hi Evan,
>
> We want everyone possible to participate. The main reason for holding
> the meeting in Berlin is that it is central to more people who have a
> chance of getting EU funding to pay their expenses to attend. It would
> be great to get people from other parts of the world to attend but
> unfortunately we have no finance at this point to pay for expenses. We
> certainly can have skype at minimum. I'm waiting for Manfred Reiter to
> come back on the venue. As soon as we know I'll work out what conference
> facilities we can do - Maybe a video stream to the web. I'll also draw
> up a draft agenda so others can contribute too.
>
> I reiterate that we want people in Canada, USA, Mexico, Brazil, India,
> Africa, Australia etc etc. This will only work as a means of
> significantly funding developers if we can make it a global effort and
> we can devise a means of sustaining the people doing the training and
> assessing.
>
>> On 30 October 2010 17:53, Ian <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 2010-10-30 at 15:34 -0400, Drew Jensen wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 2010-10-30 at 17:47 +0100, Ian wrote:
>>>>> http://theingots.org/community/LO_OOo_cert
>>>>>
>>>> Hi Ian,
>>>>
>>>> I think what you have been doing is wonderful and really think you are
>>>> correct to pursue this as including members from both the OOo and LO
>>>> communities.
>>>
>>> The logic is that we will be certificating a common set of skills and
>>> knowledge so there is no real reason to make a distinction. We might
>>> also do K-Office :-).
>>>
>>> The thing is to try and get to anyone who is interested in training and
>>> related support so if anyone reading this says "this isn't for me"
>>> please consider if you know someone who might be interested please pass
>>> the message on. Networking is the power of the community!
>>>
>>>> Best wishes for your success,
>>>
>>> Thanks for your kind words.
>>>
>>>> Drew
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>>>
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Re: [certification] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LO/OOo certification

On Sun Nov 07 2010 18:18:14 GMT-0800 (PST)  Dave Johnson wrote:
> Ian, I wanted to get certified via the "theingots.org" web-page but alas I cannot. I am in the United States. How cam I get certified so I can effectively market LibO here in the United States? I want to offer training and support to my customers.
>
> What can I do?

Good luck.  I have been looking for something like this for over a year.
  I found several web site that offer "Training" but none seem to have
any type of requirements that can be measured.  I even joined the OOo
Certification project but all I have seen is a lot of talk.  From what I
have seen the US does not have a national program like the one that is
being talked about for the EU.  I have not found anything that would
give us the same type of system.  Mostly it is a "state" thing, not
national.  Still looking though and will let you know if I find anything
useful.

Andy
USA

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Re: [certification] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LO/OOo certification

Le 2010-11-07 21:55, Andy Brown a écrit :

> On Sun Nov 07 2010 18:18:14 GMT-0800 (PST) Dave Johnson wrote:
>> Ian, I wanted to get certified via the "theingots.org" web-page but
>> alas I cannot. I am in the United States. How cam I get certified so I
>> can effectively market LibO here in the United States? I want to offer
>> training and support to my customers.
>>
>> What can I do?
>
> Good luck. I have been looking for something like this for over a year.
> I found several web site that offer "Training" but none seem to have any
> type of requirements that can be measured. I even joined the OOo
> Certification project but all I have seen is a lot of talk. From what I
> have seen the US does not have a national program like the one that is
> being talked about for the EU. I have not found anything that would give
> us the same type of system. Mostly it is a "state" thing, not national.
> Still looking though and will let you know if I find anything useful.
>
> Andy
> USA
>

Hi Andy and Dave:

If you read the Ingots FAQ, you will probably find information that will
inform you more of their programme.

One of the interesting FAQ states:

"We will support training assessor trainers in any country in the World,
normally free of charge if the country demonstrates it has a viable
business plan to expand the INGOT programme and will support translation
of the web site, certificates and the handbook into their language."

BTW .. if you would like to see an example of courses offered for OOo go
here: http://theingots.org/courses/course/category.php?id=3 . If you are
asked to login, just login as guest. Choose Introduction to
OpenOffice.org 2 for Win and Linxu

Marc


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Andy Brown Andy Brown
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Re: [certification] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LO/OOo certification

On Sun Nov 07 2010 19:28:29 GMT-0800 (PST)  Marc Paré wrote:

>
> Hi Andy and Dave:
>
> If you read the Ingots FAQ, you will probably find information that will
> inform you more of their programme.
>
> One of the interesting FAQ states:
>
> "We will support training assessor trainers in any country in the World,
> normally free of charge if the country demonstrates it has a viable
> business plan to expand the INGOT programme and will support translation
> of the web site, certificates and the handbook into their language."

A couple of key points, 1) viable business plan 2) country.  In this
case is a contradiction.

> BTW .. if you would like to see an example of courses offered for OOo go
> here: http://theingots.org/courses/course/category.php?id=3 . If you are
> asked to login, just login as guest. Choose Introduction to
> OpenOffice.org 2 for Win and Linxu

The lesson outline looks good, would not take much to update for 3.2 or
3.3.  The problem is that would good would their certificate do someone
in the US, I have no idea how it may work for you.

Andy

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Re: [certification] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LO/OOo certification

Le 2010-11-08 00:35, Andy Brown a écrit :

> On Sun Nov 07 2010 19:28:29 GMT-0800 (PST) Marc Paré wrote:
>>
>> Hi Andy and Dave:
>>
>> If you read the Ingots FAQ, you will probably find information that
>> will inform you more of their programme.
>>
>> One of the interesting FAQ states:
>>
>> "We will support training assessor trainers in any country in the
>> World, normally free of charge if the country demonstrates it has a
>> viable business plan to expand the INGOT programme and will support
>> translation of the web site, certificates and the handbook into their
>> language."
>
> A couple of key points, 1) viable business plan 2) country. In this case
> is a contradiction.
>
>> BTW .. if you would like to see an example of courses offered for OOo
>> go here: http://theingots.org/courses/course/category.php?id=3 . If
>> you are asked to login, just login as guest. Choose Introduction to
>> OpenOffice.org 2 for Win and Linxu
>
> The lesson outline looks good, would not take much to update for 3.2 or
> 3.3. The problem is that would good would their certificate do someone
> in the US, I have no idea how it may work for you.
>
> Andy
>

The certification would not mean too much in N. America, not sure for
US, but in Canada, the responsibility of education falls under the
jurisdiction of the provinces (and territories). I imagine it would mean
something if you were to get some kind of ISO certification if it could
apply here, but there is no section for ISO software (not at least that
I know) that exist at all.

You could make arrangements for the creation of a
certification/accreditation programme from a University. That could
easily be arranged as an e-course, but the costs would definitely be
LARGE as compared to those quoted on the Ingots site.

Another option would be a TDF-run certification programme very much like
that of RedHat
(https://www.redhat.com/f/pdf/Red_Hat_Training_Catalog.pdf). This is
what I would favour. It could be run as a "for-profit" endeavour run
under either the documentfoundation.ca or documentfoundation.us banner.
This would eliminate any problems with associated with the
not-for-profit documentfoundation.org. Putting up a Moodle LCMS site of
our own as member of the TDF/LibO membership would not be beyond our
expertise nor our membership capabilities. We have the membership and we
have the experts. TDF/Certification

Running a certification programme always helps in defining and promoting
the legitimacy of a company's software/hardware product confidence.

Marc


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Re: [certification] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LO/OOo certification

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On Sun, 2010-11-07 at 20:18 -0600, Dave Johnson wrote:
> Ian, I wanted to get certified via the "theingots.org" web-page but
> alas I cannot. I am in the United States. How cam I get certified so I
> can effectively market LibO here in the United States? I want to offer
> training and support to my customers.

Contact Bryant Patten at the National Center for Open Source in
Education. He is trained as an INGOT assessor trainer and is based in
the NE of the USA (Hanover).  Web site at http://www.ncose.org/ has
contact details top right.

If this isn't going to work for you get back to me and I'll see what can
be done.

Gabriel Gurley who is also involved with the certification project is US
based and trained as an assessor trainer.

If you are outside Europe and can't make the meeting on the 28th
January, don't worry, we will find ways to include you. The meeting on
the 28th is simply a focus to pull a critical mass together, it is not
essential in order to participate.

> What can I do?
>
> On Nov 7, 2010, at 2:19 PM, Ian wrote:
>
> > On Sun, 2010-11-07 at 13:14 -0500, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
> >> Can folks outside of Europe help?
> >>
> >> Is there going to be any remote-participation capacity? At least a
> >> skype group call with a mic and speakers in the room?
> >>
> >> - Evan Leibovitch
> >
> > Hi Evan,
> >
> > We want everyone possible to participate. The main reason for holding
> > the meeting in Berlin is that it is central to more people who have a
> > chance of getting EU funding to pay their expenses to attend. It would
> > be great to get people from other parts of the world to attend but
> > unfortunately we have no finance at this point to pay for expenses. We
> > certainly can have skype at minimum. I'm waiting for Manfred Reiter to
> > come back on the venue. As soon as we know I'll work out what conference
> > facilities we can do - Maybe a video stream to the web. I'll also draw
> > up a draft agenda so others can contribute too.
> >
> > I reiterate that we want people in Canada, USA, Mexico, Brazil, India,
> > Africa, Australia etc etc. This will only work as a means of
> > significantly funding developers if we can make it a global effort and
> > we can devise a means of sustaining the people doing the training and
> > assessing.
> >
> >> On 30 October 2010 17:53, Ian <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 2010-10-30 at 15:34 -0400, Drew Jensen wrote:
> >>>> On Sat, 2010-10-30 at 17:47 +0100, Ian wrote:
> >>>>> http://theingots.org/community/LO_OOo_cert
> >>>>>
> >>>> Hi Ian,
> >>>>
> >>>> I think what you have been doing is wonderful and really think you are
> >>>> correct to pursue this as including members from both the OOo and LO
> >>>> communities.
> >>>
> >>> The logic is that we will be certificating a common set of skills and
> >>> knowledge so there is no real reason to make a distinction. We might
> >>> also do K-Office :-).
> >>>
> >>> The thing is to try and get to anyone who is interested in training and
> >>> related support so if anyone reading this says "this isn't for me"
> >>> please consider if you know someone who might be interested please pass
> >>> the message on. Networking is the power of the community!
> >>>
> >>>> Best wishes for your success,
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for your kind words.
> >>>
> >>>> Drew
> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [hidden email]
> >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [hidden email]
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
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> >
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Re: [certification] Re: [libreoffice-marketing] LO/OOo certification

In reply to this post by Dave Johnson
Le 2010-11-08 04:43, Ian a écrit :

> On Sun, 2010-11-07 at 20:18 -0600, Dave Johnson wrote:
>> Ian, I wanted to get certified via the "theingots.org" web-page but
>> alas I cannot. I am in the United States. How cam I get certified so I
>> can effectively market LibO here in the United States? I want to offer
>> training and support to my customers.
>
> Contact Bryant Patten at the National Center for Open Source in
> Education. He is trained as an INGOT assessor trainer and is based in
> the NE of the USA (Hanover).  Web site at http://www.ncose.org/ has
> contact details top right.
>
> If this isn't going to work for you get back to me and I'll see what can
> be done.
>
> Gabriel Gurley who is also involved with the certification project is US
> based and trained as an assessor trainer.
>
> If you are outside Europe and can't make the meeting on the 28th
> January, don't worry, we will find ways to include you. The meeting on
> the 28th is simply a focus to pull a critical mass together, it is not
> essential in order to participate.

Thanks again from me too, Ian.

Marc


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