Re: [tdf-announce] LibreOffice 3.3.2 is now available

Questions...

1. Why is the help pack separate?

It isn't that big, and separating it from the main install - which is
something OOo NEVER did - just complicates the installation process.

Also - when an update to LibO is posted, is an updated help file also
automatically posted?

2. When will individual language builds be made available?

I am getting VERY tired of having to do a custom install on and
disabling DOZENS of foreign language dictionaries that I do not want or
need.

I know that disk space was a problem/concern initially, but it has been
long enough... please provide smaller individual language builds.

3. Until question #2 is resolved, is there maybe an install flag that I
can use to tell the installer to only install the desired dictionary?

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Il 22/03/2011 14:17, Charles Marcus ha scritto: +1

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I suggest still to keep the help pack seperated with the main setup package
to make its size as smaller as possible.
And seperate the language package as many languages are unneccessary for
someone.
To avoid installing un-desired dictionaries, you can directly modify the
libreoffice33.msi with ORCA, but it will be take you much of time to modify.

Thanks!

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 4:21 AM, elcico2001 एल्चिको <[hidden email]>wrote:

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Le 22/03/2011 14:17, Charles Marcus a écrit :
> Questions...
>
> 1. Why is the help pack separate?
>
> It isn't that big, and separating it from the main install - which is
> something OOo NEVER did - just complicates the installation process.
>
> Also - when an update to LibO is posted, is an updated help file also
> automatically posted?
Please read the long discussions about this decision in the ml archives.
It is not only an issue related to the size of install files. Doing help
available on the wiki, is a mean to easily update the help and better
keep it synchronized with the code.
> 2. When will individual language builds be made available?
>
> I am getting VERY tired of having to do a custom install on and
> disabling DOZENS of foreign language dictionaries that I do not want or
> need.
You have only to disable globally  the installation of dictionaries and
then enable only the dictionaries that you need. Two clicks if you want
only one dictionary.
> I know that disk space was a problem/concern initially, but it has been
> long enough... please provide smaller individual language builds.
Disk space is a problem for servers and the most the total size of
install set is big the most the time to synchronize mirrors is long.

Have a nice day
JBF

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On 2011-03-22 11:17 PM, Do Hong Phuc wrote:
> I suggest still to keep the help pack seperated with the main setup package
> to make its size as smaller as possible.

The help pack is only a fraction of the size problem...

Separating the individual langauge downloads will help FAR more than
keeping the help pack separate - and as I said, separating the help only
complicates installation process. Very few other programs do ts - the
only one that comes to mind immediately being the GIMP - and that one is
just as irritating to install.

> And seperate the language package as many languages are unneccessary for
> someone.

Again - separating the language packs, and providing installers for
individual languages is what will provide a dramatic reduction in the
download file size.

> To avoid installing un-desired dictionaries, you can directly modify the
> libreoffice33.msi with ORCA, but it will be take you much of time to modify.

Right - enabling every single dictionary by default is ridiculous. Every
other program worth anything defaults to ONLY the language you are using
for your OS...

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On 2011-03-23 1:04 AM, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote:
> Please read the long discussions about this decision in the ml archives.

Which list? When? Comments like this *without a reference* irritate me
no end. If you know about the discussion it is almost trivial for you to
find a reference - since I'm obviously not aware of it, I may or may not
every find it.

> It is not only an issue related to the size of install files. Doing help
> available on the wiki, is a mean to easily update the help and better
> keep it synchronized with the code.

I'm not suggesting to not use the help on the wiki, but locally
available help is a must for many people.

Again - it is only @ 8MB. It isn't saving hardly anything with regard to
file size, and only complicates the installation process for those of us
(majority?) who want locally available help. I have also had many people
(I do tech support for a living) ask me why they don't have any help
when they are disconnected from the internet - they don't even KNOW help
doesn't come with the normal install.

Purely and simply, if this was an intentional decision, it was poorly
made, and needs to be rectified.

>> I am getting VERY tired of having to do a custom install on and
>> disabling DOZENS of foreign language dictionaries that I do not want or
>> need.

> You have only to disable globally  the installation of dictionaries and
> then enable only the dictionaries that you need. Two clicks if you want
> only one dictionary.

Well, thanks for that (kind of obvious now that you mention it), but
I'll reiterate:

Every other program that I have ever installed defaults to ONLY the
language the OS is running in - selecting other languages is *always*
something that must be intentionally done.

Defaulting to all is ignorant.

>> I know that disk space was a problem/concern initially, but it has been
>> long enough... please provide smaller individual language builds.

> Disk space is a problem for servers and the most the total size of
> install set is big the most the time to synchronize mirrors is long.

As it is for every other software package out there. It was promised
that this huge all inclusive download was a TEMPORARY situation until
more server space was available - I hope the developers to honor that
commitment.

These 3 issues are the biggest complaints I get when referring people to
LibO, and I'm sure I'm not the only one - I'm just trying to help make
things better for everyone...

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