Reply settings on this list have changed

>
> this is to inform you that the reply settings on this list have changed
> (so-called "Reply to mangling" has been disabled).
>
> So far, e-mails had set a reply-to the mailing list address. In other
> words, with any e-mail client, replies to e-mails on the list were
> automatically sent directly to the list.
>
> In the past, this lead to two major problems:
>
> 1. Several times, people have sent direct replies to the public list,
> where deleting them is nearly impossible. I remember at least one case
> where confidential information has been sent out that caused lots of
> worries for the sender and his employer. This happened because people hit
> "reply" and thought it would reply to the sender only.
>
> 2. I have heard complaints in the past from people, stating that working
> with the non-developer lists of LibreOffice is a pain for them, because of
> reply-to mangling, resulting in a lack of communication. This also led to
> the fact that numerous tasks were done by the same people, who needed to
> spend more and more time, instead of sharing the work burden with others.
> While I do not fully believe this argument, there's just one way to find
> out...
>
> Therefore, I have applied a change:
>
> Replies to e-mails from the list now only go to the original sender. You
> either need to use the "reply to all" feature of your e-mail program, or -
> preferably - the "reply to list"/"reply to group" feature, which will
> direct replies directly to the list.
>
> This is common practice on most mailing lists, and even the default
> setting for our mailing list software, so we did not re-invent the wheel
> here. Those seeking for details should have a look at
> http://www.unicom.com/pw/**reply-to-harmful.html<http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html>
>
> I know we had numerous discussions on this topic in the past, but the
> outcome was that roughly 50% were for this change, and 50% refused it, so I
> am really sitting between two chairs here, for which I beg for your
> understanding. On the one hand, those complaining the lists are unusable
> with reply-to mangling, on the other hand, those complaining the lists are
> unusable without reply-to mangling. Unfortunately, combining those two,
> even on a per-recipient basis, is not possible, so they are mutually
> exclusive to each other.
>
> In order to find out the real impact, I simply changed the setting, and
> again, I beg for your understanding.
>
> Do not worry: The mailing lists are for the community, so it's the
> community deciding how they should work. What I'd like to ask all of you is
> to try out for a few days if that change is good for each list or not.
> Should we find out it is more harmful than it helps, I will immediately
> switch back to the old behaviour.
>
> Sorry for this short notice, and I beg for your understanding that I'm
> somehow sitting between two chairs here.
>
> Florian
>

> At 18:31 12/08/2012 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote:
> >this is to inform you that the reply settings on this list have
> >changed (so-called "Reply to mangling" has been disabled).
>
> Well done!
>
> This new way fails safe.  A message intended to be public may get
> sent privately by mistake - a minor inconvenience that can easily be
> remedied by sending the message again correctly.  The old method
> risked messages intended to be private being sent publicly - a
> unfortunate consequence that simply cannot be undone.
>
> Interestingly, there's an argument that list processors have no
> business inserting a Reply-To header, which is instead the sole
> domain of the message's author.  RFC 2822 appears to require this:
> 'When the "Reply-To:" field is present, it indicates the mailbox(es)
> to which the *author* of the message suggests that replies be sent"
> (my emphasis).  The author of a message, of course, is not the list.
>
> Brian Barker
>
>
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> I quite like this idea of change as it now seems that less mistakes
> should be made!
>
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, at 01:33 AM, Brian Barker wrote:
>> At 18:31 12/08/2012 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote:
>>> this is to inform you that the reply settings on this list have
>>> changed (so-called "Reply to mangling" has been disabled).
>> Well done!
>>
>> This new way fails safe.  A message intended to be public may get
>> sent privately by mistake - a minor inconvenience that can easily be
>> remedied by sending the message again correctly.  The old method
>> risked messages intended to be private being sent publicly - a
>> unfortunate consequence that simply cannot be undone.
>>
>> Interestingly, there's an argument that list processors have no
>> business inserting a Reply-To header, which is instead the sole
>> domain of the message's author.  RFC 2822 appears to require this:
>> 'When the "Reply-To:" field is present, it indicates the mailbox(es)
>> to which the *author* of the message suggests that replies be sent"
>> (my emphasis).  The author of a message, of course, is not the list.
>>
>> Brian Barker
>>
>>
>> --
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>> deleted
>>
>

>
> I did not know that you could "make" the email client state "Reply List"
> instead of the text on the "Reply All" button.  I run Thunderbird 14.0.
>
> I have to get use to using the "Reply List" instead of "Reply" to post a
> message to the thread.  It could be confusing to people, but does make it
> easier to send a message to the poster, off list.  I use to copy the email
> address of the poster and then paste it to my "To:" section.  This will be
> easier to do that, but hopefully not too many people will forget to use the
> "new" "Reply List" button instead of the "Reply" button.

> On 08/12/2012 09:53 PM, Anthony Easthope wrote:
>> I quite like this idea of change as it now seems that less mistakes
>> should be made!
>>
>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, at 01:33 AM, Brian Barker wrote:
>>> At 18:31 12/08/2012 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote:
>>>> this is to inform you that the reply settings on this list have
>>>> changed (so-called "Reply to mangling" has been disabled).
>>> Well done!
>>>
>>> This new way fails safe.  A message intended to be public may get
>>> sent privately by mistake - a minor inconvenience that can easily be
>>> remedied by sending the message again correctly.  The old method
>>> risked messages intended to be private being sent publicly - a
>>> unfortunate consequence that simply cannot be undone.
>>>
>>> Interestingly, there's an argument that list processors have no
>>> business inserting a Reply-To header, which is instead the sole
>>> domain of the message's author.  RFC 2822 appears to require this:
>>> 'When the "Reply-To:" field is present, it indicates the mailbox(es)
>>> to which the *author* of the message suggests that replies be sent"
>>> (my emphasis).  The author of a message, of course, is not the list.
>>>
>>> Brian Barker
>>>
>>>
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>>> deleted
>>>
>>
>
>
>

>
>
>> I did not know that you could "make" the email client state "Reply List"
>> instead of the text on the "Reply All" button.  I run Thunderbird 14.0.
>>
>> I have to get use to using the "Reply List" instead of "Reply" to post a
>> message to the thread.  It could be confusing to people, but does make it
>> easier to send a message to the poster, off list.  I use to copy the email
>> address of the poster and then paste it to my "To:" section.  This will be
>> easier to do that, but hopefully not too many people will forget to use the
>> "new" "Reply List" button instead of the "Reply" button.
>>
>
> myself, I am not so clear why people are interested in sending private
> email to people on a public list. I did it yesterday but only because I had
> trouble posting to the list and was overeager to get my word
> ('hucksterism') in.
>
> the default mode on a list of replying to the list made sense to me. not a
> big deal for me since I mostly lurk.
>
> F.
>
>
>>>
> --
> Felmon Davis
>
>

>         exactly, therefore to change the default, you're changing this list
> to where folks will now be corresponding privately rather than allowing the
> list to hear what's new and learn from others.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Felmon Davis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
>>
>>> I did not know that you could "make" the email client state "Reply List"
>>> instead of the text on the "Reply All" button.  I run Thunderbird 14.0.
>>>
>>> I have to get use to using the "Reply List" instead of "Reply" to post a
>>> message to the thread.  It could be confusing to people, but does make it
>>> easier to send a message to the poster, off list.  I use to copy the email
>>> address of the poster and then paste it to my "To:" section.  This will be
>>> easier to do that, but hopefully not too many people will forget to use the
>>> "new" "Reply List" button instead of the "Reply" button.
>>>
>> myself, I am not so clear why people are interested in sending private
>> email to people on a public list. I did it yesterday but only because I had
>> trouble posting to the list and was overeager to get my word
>> ('hucksterism') in.
>>
>> the default mode on a list of replying to the list made sense to me. not a
>> big deal for me since I mostly lurk.
>>
>> F.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Felmon Davis
>>
>>

> I just posted a reply to a thread to the last poster instead of the thread
> by mistake.  I am so use to pressing "Reply" and the next button being
> "Reply All", that I now have to remember to skip the "Reply" button and
> remember that the "Reply All" button has been replaced with "Reply List".
>  This may cause some problems, if too many of our list users get the reply
> posting that were meant to go to the lists instead.
>
> Christian L. just sent me a notice that my posting went to him instead the
> "How can I know which one is a spam?" thread in the Website list.
>
> I nearly sent this posting to "anne-ology" instead of the User list.  This
> is going to be a problem, maybe.
>
>
>
> On 08/13/2012 01:06 PM, anne-ology wrote:
>
>>         exactly, therefore to change the default, you're changing this
>> list
>> to where folks will now be corresponding privately rather than allowing
>> the
>> list to hear what's new and learn from others.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Felmon Davis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>  I did not know that you could "make" the email client state "Reply List"
>>>> instead of the text on the "Reply All" button.  I run Thunderbird 14.0.
>>>>
>>>> I have to get use to using the "Reply List" instead of "Reply" to post a
>>>> message to the thread.  It could be confusing to people, but does make
>>>> it
>>>> easier to send a message to the poster, off list.  I use to copy the
>>>> email
>>>> address of the poster and then paste it to my "To:" section.  This will
>>>> be
>>>> easier to do that, but hopefully not too many people will forget to use
>>>> the
>>>> "new" "Reply List" button instead of the "Reply" button.
>>>>
>>>>  myself, I am not so clear why people are interested in sending private
>>> email to people on a public list. I did it yesterday but only because I
>>> had
>>> trouble posting to the list and was overeager to get my word
>>> ('hucksterism') in.
>>>
>>> the default mode on a list of replying to the list made sense to me. not
>>> a
>>> big deal for me since I mostly lurk.
>>>
>>> F.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Felmon Davis
>>>
>>>

>        exactly.
>
>        Let's take a poll - (1) to return this list to being an actual
>        list
>                                      or
>                                  (2) to change this from a list to
>                                  private
> communications between only select ones, depriving the group of learning
> the ins & outs of LO.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:23 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P <
> [hidden email]> wrote:
>
>
> > I just posted a reply to a thread to the last poster instead of the thread
> > by mistake.  I am so use to pressing "Reply" and the next button being
> > "Reply All", that I now have to remember to skip the "Reply" button and
> > remember that the "Reply All" button has been replaced with "Reply List".
> >  This may cause some problems, if too many of our list users get the reply
> > posting that were meant to go to the lists instead.
> >
> > Christian L. just sent me a notice that my posting went to him instead the
> > "How can I know which one is a spam?" thread in the Website list.
> >
> > I nearly sent this posting to "anne-ology" instead of the User list.  This
> > is going to be a problem, maybe.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 08/13/2012 01:06 PM, anne-ology wrote:
> >
> >>         exactly, therefore to change the default, you're changing this
> >> list
> >> to where folks will now be corresponding privately rather than allowing
> >> the
> >> list to hear what's new and learn from others.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Felmon Davis <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>  I did not know that you could "make" the email client state "Reply List"
> >>>> instead of the text on the "Reply All" button.  I run Thunderbird 14.0.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have to get use to using the "Reply List" instead of "Reply" to post a
> >>>> message to the thread.  It could be confusing to people, but does make
> >>>> it
> >>>> easier to send a message to the poster, off list.  I use to copy the
> >>>> email
> >>>> address of the poster and then paste it to my "To:" section.  This will
> >>>> be
> >>>> easier to do that, but hopefully not too many people will forget to use
> >>>> the
> >>>> "new" "Reply List" button instead of the "Reply" button.
> >>>>
> >>>>  myself, I am not so clear why people are interested in sending private
> >>> email to people on a public list. I did it yesterday but only because I
> >>> had
> >>> trouble posting to the list and was overeager to get my word
> >>> ('hucksterism') in.
> >>>
> >>> the default mode on a list of replying to the list made sense to me. not
> >>> a
> >>> big deal for me since I mostly lurk.
> >>>
> >>> F.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Felmon Davis
> >>>
> >>>
>
> --
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>

>         exactly, therefore to change the default, you're changing this list
> to where folks will now be corresponding privately rather than allowing the
> list to hear what's new and learn from others.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Felmon Davis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
>>
>>> I did not know that you could "make" the email client state "Reply List"
>>> instead of the text on the "Reply All" button.  I run Thunderbird 14.0.
>>>
>>> I have to get use to using the "Reply List" instead of "Reply" to post a
>>> message to the thread.  It could be confusing to people, but does make it
>>> easier to send a message to the poster, off list.  I use to copy the email
>>> address of the poster and then paste it to my "To:" section.  This will be
>>> easier to do that, but hopefully not too many people will forget to use the
>>> "new" "Reply List" button instead of the "Reply" button.
>>>
>> myself, I am not so clear why people are interested in sending private
>> email to people on a public list. I did it yesterday but only because I had
>> trouble posting to the list and was overeager to get my word
>> ('hucksterism') in.
>>
>> the default mode on a list of replying to the list made sense to me. not a
>> big deal for me since I mostly lurk.
>>
>> F.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Felmon Davis
>>
>>

>
> On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, at 09:19 PM, anne-ology wrote:
>>        exactly.
>>
>>        Let's take a poll - (1) to return this list to being an actual
>>        list
>>                                      or
>>                                  (2) to change this from a list to
>>                                  private
>> communications between only select ones, depriving the group of learning
>> the ins & outs of LO.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:23 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P <
>> [hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> > I just posted a reply to a thread to the last poster instead of the thread
>> > by mistake.  I am so use to pressing "Reply" and the next button being
>> > "Reply All", that I now have to remember to skip the "Reply" button and
>> > remember that the "Reply All" button has been replaced with "Reply List".
>> >  This may cause some problems, if too many of our list users get the reply
>> > posting that were meant to go to the lists instead.
>> >
>> > Christian L. just sent me a notice that my posting went to him instead the
>> > "How can I know which one is a spam?" thread in the Website list.
>> >
>> > I nearly sent this posting to "anne-ology" instead of the User list.  This
>> > is going to be a problem, maybe.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 08/13/2012 01:06 PM, anne-ology wrote:
>> >
>> >>         exactly, therefore to change the default, you're changing this
>> >> list
>> >> to where folks will now be corresponding privately rather than allowing
>> >> the
>> >> list to hear what's new and learn from others.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Felmon Davis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>  I did not know that you could "make" the email client state "Reply List"
>> >>>> instead of the text on the "Reply All" button.  I run Thunderbird 14.0.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I have to get use to using the "Reply List" instead of "Reply" to post a
>> >>>> message to the thread.  It could be confusing to people, but does make
>> >>>> it
>> >>>> easier to send a message to the poster, off list.  I use to copy the
>> >>>> email
>> >>>> address of the poster and then paste it to my "To:" section.  This will
>> >>>> be
>> >>>> easier to do that, but hopefully not too many people will forget to use
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> "new" "Reply List" button instead of the "Reply" button.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>  myself, I am not so clear why people are interested in sending private
>> >>> email to people on a public list. I did it yesterday but only because I
>> >>> had
>> >>> trouble posting to the list and was overeager to get my word
>> >>> ('hucksterism') in.
>> >>>
>> >>> the default mode on a list of replying to the list made sense to me. not
>> >>> a
>> >>> big deal for me since I mostly lurk.
>> >>>
>> >>> F.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Felmon Davis
>> >>>
>> >>>
>>
>> --
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>>
>
>
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>
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> 2012/8/13 Anthony Easthope <[hidden email]>:
> > To me it seems fairly straightforward. I use Opera mail and it is great
> > for mailing lists as it groups all replies to one thread in a
> > conversation view. it also has a *Reply to list and a *Reply all
> > functionality. It only seems logical to me to hit "reply to list" as
> > that is what it is. anyway as the cliche goes I was "jus sayin"
> >
> > Regards
> > Anthony
>
> When you say Opera mail, do you mean the Opera web mail or the Opera
> M2 email client?
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnny Rosenberg
> ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ
>
> >
> > On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, at 09:19 PM, anne-ology wrote:
> >>        exactly.
> >>
> >>        Let's take a poll - (1) to return this list to being an actual
> >>        list
> >>                                      or
> >>                                  (2) to change this from a list to
> >>                                  private
> >> communications between only select ones, depriving the group of learning
> >> the ins & outs of LO.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:23 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P <
> >> [hidden email]> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> > I just posted a reply to a thread to the last poster instead of the thread
> >> > by mistake.  I am so use to pressing "Reply" and the next button being
> >> > "Reply All", that I now have to remember to skip the "Reply" button and
> >> > remember that the "Reply All" button has been replaced with "Reply List".
> >> >  This may cause some problems, if too many of our list users get the reply
> >> > posting that were meant to go to the lists instead.
> >> >
> >> > Christian L. just sent me a notice that my posting went to him instead the
> >> > "How can I know which one is a spam?" thread in the Website list.
> >> >
> >> > I nearly sent this posting to "anne-ology" instead of the User list.  This
> >> > is going to be a problem, maybe.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 08/13/2012 01:06 PM, anne-ology wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>         exactly, therefore to change the default, you're changing this
> >> >> list
> >> >> to where folks will now be corresponding privately rather than allowing
> >> >> the
> >> >> list to hear what's new and learn from others.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Felmon Davis <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>  I did not know that you could "make" the email client state "Reply List"
> >> >>>> instead of the text on the "Reply All" button.  I run Thunderbird 14.0.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I have to get use to using the "Reply List" instead of "Reply" to post a
> >> >>>> message to the thread.  It could be confusing to people, but does make
> >> >>>> it
> >> >>>> easier to send a message to the poster, off list.  I use to copy the
> >> >>>> email
> >> >>>> address of the poster and then paste it to my "To:" section.  This will
> >> >>>> be
> >> >>>> easier to do that, but hopefully not too many people will forget to use
> >> >>>> the
> >> >>>> "new" "Reply List" button instead of the "Reply" button.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>  myself, I am not so clear why people are interested in sending private
> >> >>> email to people on a public list. I did it yesterday but only because I
> >> >>> had
> >> >>> trouble posting to the list and was overeager to get my word
> >> >>> ('hucksterism') in.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> the default mode on a list of replying to the list made sense to me. not
> >> >>> a
> >> >>> big deal for me since I mostly lurk.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> F.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> --
> >> >>> Felmon Davis
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >>
> >> --
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> >>
> >
> >
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> On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, at 09:39 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
>> 2012/8/13 Anthony Easthope <[hidden email]>:
>> > To me it seems fairly straightforward. I use Opera mail and it is great
>> > for mailing lists as it groups all replies to one thread in a
>> > conversation view. it also has a *Reply to list and a *Reply all
>> > functionality. It only seems logical to me to hit "reply to list" as
>> > that is what it is. anyway as the cliche goes I was "jus sayin"
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > Anthony
>>
>> When you say Opera mail, do you mean the Opera web mail or the Opera
>> M2 email client?
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Johnny Rosenberg
>> ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ
>>
>> >
>> > On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, at 09:19 PM, anne-ology wrote:
>> >>        exactly.
>> >>
>> >>        Let's take a poll - (1) to return this list to being an actual
>> >>        list
>> >>                                      or
>> >>                                  (2) to change this from a list to
>> >>                                  private
>> >> communications between only select ones, depriving the group of learning
>> >> the ins & outs of LO.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:23 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P <
>> >> [hidden email]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > I just posted a reply to a thread to the last poster instead of the thread
>> >> > by mistake.  I am so use to pressing "Reply" and the next button being
>> >> > "Reply All", that I now have to remember to skip the "Reply" button and
>> >> > remember that the "Reply All" button has been replaced with "Reply List".
>> >> >  This may cause some problems, if too many of our list users get the reply
>> >> > posting that were meant to go to the lists instead.
>> >> >
>> >> > Christian L. just sent me a notice that my posting went to him instead the
>> >> > "How can I know which one is a spam?" thread in the Website list.
>> >> >
>> >> > I nearly sent this posting to "anne-ology" instead of the User list.  This
>> >> > is going to be a problem, maybe.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On 08/13/2012 01:06 PM, anne-ology wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>         exactly, therefore to change the default, you're changing this
>> >> >> list
>> >> >> to where folks will now be corresponding privately rather than allowing
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> list to hear what's new and learn from others.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Felmon Davis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>  I did not know that you could "make" the email client state "Reply List"
>> >> >>>> instead of the text on the "Reply All" button.  I run Thunderbird 14.0.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> I have to get use to using the "Reply List" instead of "Reply" to post a
>> >> >>>> message to the thread.  It could be confusing to people, but does make
>> >> >>>> it
>> >> >>>> easier to send a message to the poster, off list.  I use to copy the
>> >> >>>> email
>> >> >>>> address of the poster and then paste it to my "To:" section.  This will
>> >> >>>> be
>> >> >>>> easier to do that, but hopefully not too many people will forget to use
>> >> >>>> the
>> >> >>>> "new" "Reply List" button instead of the "Reply" button.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>  myself, I am not so clear why people are interested in sending private
>> >> >>> email to people on a public list. I did it yesterday but only because I
>> >> >>> had
>> >> >>> trouble posting to the list and was overeager to get my word
>> >> >>> ('hucksterism') in.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> the default mode on a list of replying to the list made sense to me. not
>> >> >>> a
>> >> >>> big deal for me since I mostly lurk.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> F.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> Felmon Davis
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >>
>> >> --
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> 2012/8/13 Anthony Easthope <[hidden email]>:
> > Opera Webmail. I move around to much on computers to use a dedicated
> > mail client. http://mail.opera.com
>
> I actually have an Opera Mail address, but I didn't use it for years
> now; maybe it's erased by now. So it could be a good idea to use Opera
> Mail for email lists, then… How much space is there for each user
> these days?
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnny Rosenberg
> ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ
>
>
> > On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, at 09:39 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
> >> 2012/8/13 Anthony Easthope <[hidden email]>:
> >> > To me it seems fairly straightforward. I use Opera mail and it is great
> >> > for mailing lists as it groups all replies to one thread in a
> >> > conversation view. it also has a *Reply to list and a *Reply all
> >> > functionality. It only seems logical to me to hit "reply to list" as
> >> > that is what it is. anyway as the cliche goes I was "jus sayin"
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >> > Anthony
> >>
> >> When you say Opera mail, do you mean the Opera web mail or the Opera
> >> M2 email client?
> >>
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >>
> >> Johnny Rosenberg
> >> ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ
> >>
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, at 09:19 PM, anne-ology wrote:
> >> >>        exactly.
> >> >>
> >> >>        Let's take a poll - (1) to return this list to being an actual
> >> >>        list
> >> >>                                      or
> >> >>                                  (2) to change this from a list to
> >> >>                                  private
> >> >> communications between only select ones, depriving the group of learning
> >> >> the ins & outs of LO.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 12:23 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P <
> >> >> [hidden email]> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > I just posted a reply to a thread to the last poster instead of the thread
> >> >> > by mistake.  I am so use to pressing "Reply" and the next button being
> >> >> > "Reply All", that I now have to remember to skip the "Reply" button and
> >> >> > remember that the "Reply All" button has been replaced with "Reply List".
> >> >> >  This may cause some problems, if too many of our list users get the reply
> >> >> > posting that were meant to go to the lists instead.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Christian L. just sent me a notice that my posting went to him instead the
> >> >> > "How can I know which one is a spam?" thread in the Website list.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I nearly sent this posting to "anne-ology" instead of the User list.  This
> >> >> > is going to be a problem, maybe.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On 08/13/2012 01:06 PM, anne-ology wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>         exactly, therefore to change the default, you're changing this
> >> >> >> list
> >> >> >> to where folks will now be corresponding privately rather than allowing
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> list to hear what's new and learn from others.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Felmon Davis <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>  I did not know that you could "make" the email client state "Reply List"
> >> >> >>>> instead of the text on the "Reply All" button.  I run Thunderbird 14.0.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> I have to get use to using the "Reply List" instead of "Reply" to post a
> >> >> >>>> message to the thread.  It could be confusing to people, but does make
> >> >> >>>> it
> >> >> >>>> easier to send a message to the poster, off list.  I use to copy the
> >> >> >>>> email
> >> >> >>>> address of the poster and then paste it to my "To:" section.  This will
> >> >> >>>> be
> >> >> >>>> easier to do that, but hopefully not too many people will forget to use
> >> >> >>>> the
> >> >> >>>> "new" "Reply List" button instead of the "Reply" button.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>  myself, I am not so clear why people are interested in sending private
> >> >> >>> email to people on a public list. I did it yesterday but only because I
> >> >> >>> had
> >> >> >>> trouble posting to the list and was overeager to get my word
> >> >> >>> ('hucksterism') in.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> the default mode on a list of replying to the list made sense to me. not
> >> >> >>> a
> >> >> >>> big deal for me since I mostly lurk.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> F.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> --
> >> >> >>> Felmon Davis
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
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>
> I just posted a reply to a thread to the last poster instead of the
> thread by mistake.  I am so use to pressing "Reply" and the next
> button being "Reply All", that I now have to remember to skip the
> "Reply" button and remember that the "Reply All" button has been
> replaced with "Reply List".  This may cause some problems, if too many
> of our list users get the reply posting that were meant to go to the
> lists instead.
>
> Christian L. just sent me a notice that my posting went to him instead
> the "How can I know which one is a spam?" thread in the Website list.
>
> I nearly sent this posting to "anne-ology" instead of the User list.  
> This is going to be a problem, maybe.
>
>
> On 08/13/2012 01:06 PM, anne-ology wrote:
>>         exactly, therefore to change the default, you're changing
>> this list
>> to where folks will now be corresponding privately rather than
>> allowing the
>> list to hear what's new and learn from others.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Felmon Davis <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
>>>
>>>> I did not know that you could "make" the email client state "Reply
>>>> List"
>>>> instead of the text on the "Reply All" button.  I run Thunderbird
>>>> 14.0.
>>>>
>>>> I have to get use to using the "Reply List" instead of "Reply" to
>>>> post a
>>>> message to the thread.  It could be confusing to people, but does
>>>> make it
>>>> easier to send a message to the poster, off list.  I use to copy
>>>> the email
>>>> address of the poster and then paste it to my "To:" section.  This
>>>> will be
>>>> easier to do that, but hopefully not too many people will forget to
>>>> use the
>>>> "new" "Reply List" button instead of the "Reply" button.
>>>>
>>> myself, I am not so clear why people are interested in sending private
>>> email to people on a public list. I did it yesterday but only
>>> because I had
>>> trouble posting to the list and was overeager to get my word
>>> ('hucksterism') in.
>>>
>>> the default mode on a list of replying to the list made sense to me.
>>> not a
>>> big deal for me since I mostly lurk.
>>>
>>> F.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Felmon Davis
>>>
>>>
>
>

> Greetings,
> I hope this gets to the right place.  I used "Reply All" in
> Thunderbird.  The header looks correct, but people are going to get
> duplicate messages.
> Here is another side-effect of this change:
> Florian,
> Right!  Yesterday, your changes broke my email filter which puts
> libreoffice user group messages in a specific folder. But then I
> changed the filter from looking at "Reply-To:" to "To:" and thought
> that would suffice.  Now, this morning I got 7 libreoffice messages in
> my correct folder via my filter change, and 4 messages direct from
> members in my main inbox, which my filter did not catch.  Your change
> may make it easy for you, but it is a nightmare for me.  There is no
> way I can create filters for all users who use their address.
>
> My vote is to return the list to the way it behaved before you made
> this change.  This is "Anne-ology"'s Poll option #1.
>
> I might also add, that the mis-addressed private message issue did
> happen to me many years ago, when I sent what I thought was a private
> joke message and discovered to my chagrin after sending it, that
> Netscape also added a newsgroup address to the header without my
> blessing.  You can imagine the impact of that.  It was not funny and I
> am still, after over 20 years, seeing that association come up now and
> then.  Since then, I verify where my email client is sending my
> messages before sending them.  Anyone who does not do so, is taking a
> chance and should not persecute others for their mistakes.
> Girvin Herr
>
>
> webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
>>
>> I just posted a reply to a thread to the last poster instead of the
>> thread by mistake.  I am so use to pressing "Reply" and the next
>> button being "Reply All", that I now have to remember to skip the
>> "Reply" button and remember that the "Reply All" button has been
>> replaced with "Reply List".  This may cause some problems, if too
>> many of our list users get the reply posting that were meant to go to
>> the lists instead.
>>
>> Christian L. just sent me a notice that my posting went to him
>> instead the "How can I know which one is a spam?" thread in the
>> Website list.
>>
>> I nearly sent this posting to "anne-ology" instead of the User list.  
>> This is going to be a problem, maybe.
>>
>>
>> On 08/13/2012 01:06 PM, anne-ology wrote:
>>>         exactly, therefore to change the default, you're changing
>>> this list
>>> to where folks will now be corresponding privately rather than
>>> allowing the
>>> list to hear what's new and learn from others.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Felmon Davis <[hidden email]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, 13 Aug 2012, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I did not know that you could "make" the email client state "Reply
>>>>> List"
>>>>> instead of the text on the "Reply All" button.  I run Thunderbird
>>>>> 14.0.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to get use to using the "Reply List" instead of "Reply" to
>>>>> post a
>>>>> message to the thread.  It could be confusing to people, but does
>>>>> make it
>>>>> easier to send a message to the poster, off list.  I use to copy
>>>>> the email
>>>>> address of the poster and then paste it to my "To:" section.  This
>>>>> will be
>>>>> easier to do that, but hopefully not too many people will forget
>>>>> to use the
>>>>> "new" "Reply List" button instead of the "Reply" button.
>>>>>
>>>> myself, I am not so clear why people are interested in sending private
>>>> email to people on a public list. I did it yesterday but only
>>>> because I had
>>>> trouble posting to the list and was overeager to get my word
>>>> ('hucksterism') in.
>>>>
>>>> the default mode on a list of replying to the list made sense to
>>>> me. not a
>>>> big deal for me since I mostly lurk.
>>>>
>>>> F.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Felmon Davis
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>

> I'm subscribed to quite a few lists by now, and some of them has had
> this ”new” behaviour for quite some time. I was kind of hoping THEY
> would change…
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnny Rosenberg
> ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ
>

> On 08/13/2012 03:37 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
>> I'm subscribed to quite a few lists by now, and some of them has had
>> this ”new” behaviour for quite some time. I was kind of hoping THEY
>> would change…
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Johnny Rosenberg
>> ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ
>>
>
> It will just take some time to get use to NOT using the "Reply" button
> for replying to these threads. Before the change was made, I never saw
> a "Reply List" as the text for the button that normally is for "Reply
> All".
>
> I have been using "Reply" since Spring of last year, so it will take
> time for me to get use to doing it a different way.
>
> Things change all the time. In the past year, Thunderbird went from
> 3.x.x to 14.x.x on the Ubuntu 10.04 repository. Sometimes Change is
> good, while other times it is not. I do not like "change for change
> sake" like MS is doing with Win8 so your desktop looks like your
> tablet. Not for me that.
>
> But with this "major" change on how to reply to the list emails, or
> which button to use, people will need to be aware that there might be
> a lot of "mistakes" sending the reply to the email to the last poster
> and not to the list itself. I already did that one and nearly twice
> today. So it most likely will happen with others as well. I use
> Thunderbird, so I do not know what it looks like with Outlook or other
> mail clients, or even web-browser based emails like some of the
> accounts for GMail, Hotmail, YahooMail, NetZeorMail, etc., etc., will
> show in their web page[s] for accessing your emails instead via an
> email-client.
>
>
>