Survey - Current Issues

Hey all,

While we're trying to come up with goals for LibreOffice, I'd like to
see what people think of LO as it stands today.  Please please please
take the time to respond to this as it can really help us to determine
where exactly we ought to go!

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1.) What do you think about LibreOffice as it stands today?

    a) What aspects of the User Interface do you like? Why?

    b) What aspects of the User Interface do you dislike? Why?

2.) How could LibreOffice better suit your needs in terms of UI?

3.) What would you like to see LibreOffice become?

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More specific surveys will follow, once I have a better idea of what to
ask! :)

Thanks!
Scott

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I have a similar survey that i just recently got done on this site

http://libreofficedesign.weebly.com/

Its under general layout tab. Maybe we can combine them if can make for a
stronger survey. Let me know.

JL

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On 6/20/2011 12:09 PM, Scott Pledger wrote:
A suite that has the potential to become a very usable and productive system

>
>    a) What aspects of the User Interface do you like? Why?

Has some elements that go to make it more usable.

>
>    b) What aspects of the User Interface do you dislike? Why?

Too many icons, not enough context-sensitive menus
>
> 2.) How could LibreOffice better suit your needs in terms of UI?

By maximising vertical space, making menus self-descriptive as to
purpose, respects my time by  not making me do unnecessary things.
>
> 3.) What would you like to see LibreOffice become?

The most usable suite with true high productivity that is responsive to
its users and evolves by a Kaizen philosophy.

Cheers

Phil Jackson

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Scott

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1. a It is a straightforward UI, similar to ones used since the mid
80's. There is limited learning needed to use the UI. Fairly easy to
customize the UI to suit my needs.

1. b Some of the commands are in unusual locations, such as importing a
file into Calc is not under file. Makes learning the UI and menus a
little more time consuming, not difficult. The command is somewhere but
where until one learns the menus. Can be confusing to new users.

2. Use screen real estate better on large monitors. Have more tool bars
available in other locations particularly the side. User choice on the
final location.

3. The leading Office productivity package for users with a strong user
focus but not necessarily the most popular. I favor quality over market
share if there needs to be a choice.

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Hi!

1.) What do you think about LibreOffice as it stands today?
I think is the best alternative of MSO and a free office suite that has
great potential but still lacks in some functions.

a) What aspects of the User Interface do you like? Why?
I like the pdf button. Is very useful. And i like the contextual floating
menus, and the side Impress toolbars because is a way to access specific
functionality easily.

b) What aspects of the User Interface do you dislike? Why?
The Office 97 look and the menus. I think is not what it is required these
days, is complicated, ugly and unnecesary.

2.) How could LibreOffice better suit your needs in terms of UI?
I think that it could make easier to find not too common functions, and make
common functions easy to find for newbies. I think the interface should be
more clear, and take the goal of made it easy to use for a 5 years kid. And
also, in the sense of being "free" i think the interface should be easy and
in a great way configurable by the user.

3.) What would you like to see LibreOffice become?
Well besides kicking MSO ass, i would like LibreOffice to have it own sign,
and not always trying to be the "competence" of MSO. I think LibreOffice
should be identified by it easy of use and configurable interface.

Here is a link to a mockup of an interface i proposed in another thread just
to take it as an idea:
http://www.librethinking.com/index/images/OpenProjects/LibreOffice
/libreofficedrawersmockup.png

Best regards,

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1.) What do you think about LibreOffice as it stands today?

The  best and most compatible competitor of evil Microsoft Office. The
program those will choose who do not get along with stupid
ribbon-interfaces, those who don't want to steel or pay too much, those
who detest the market leader and those who politically like with the
idea of open-source.
An open and free alternative that has great potential but might be seen
as out-dated by superficial people who think that everything that looks
newer is better.


1a) What aspects of the User Interface do you like? Why?

The dynamic appearance of toolbars (like the table toolbar for example),
the startup window where the user can choose the document type, the
search bar on the top,


1 b) What aspects of the User Interface do you dislike? Why?

-The function-menus on top of the UI are not sorted in a very logical
way (there should be more categories. For example in the "Extras"
Category there are many functions that don't seem to have a lot in common).
-The color choosers only have 96 colors to choose from. I'd prefer
96.000.000.
-It should be much easier to get customized macros into the menu-bar.


2.) How could LibreOffice better suit your needs in terms of UI?

-If there were modes like "scientific writing" or "just want to write a
simple letter" or "I want the full UI" it might be helpful for working
more productive.
-I know that the current development has the opposite direction but I
would like to have more dropdown menus for more categories who have less
sub-functions.

3.) What would you like to see LibreOffice become?

-A multi-device (also mobile!!!!) office suite that can do everything
but also has a light mode the user can switch to.


Best regards
Christopher




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Hi Scott, all - especially those having answered the survey already,

let us try to move these surveys into a sustainable direction. This means
that the results need to be available for all people and all times without
too much effort.

Also doing a survey via a mailing list, forces biased answers, as all people
answering will know what other people have been answering before.

As discussed with Bernhard and Christoph, we are working on a framework in
which we can do these kind of surveys, which will be open and accessable for
the whole team. Unfortunately it will take another 2-3 weeks of development
(don't pin me on that!), before I can invite you to join this plattform.
Untill then Isabel and me will be very happy to coordinate the set-up and
conduction of a survey in a way that it will be accessable in future as well.

So, I quickly set up your survey in the new framework.

@All: please answer the survey there, so it will be accessable in future as
well. Also, all that already have given an answer, please fill in your
answers there again, to have them available in one place:

bit.ly/iEkWrB

Thanks,
Björn







Am Sonntag, 19. Juni 2011, 18:09:00 schrieb Scott Pledger:
> Hey all,
>
> While we're trying to come up with goals for LibreOffice, I'd like to
> see what people think of LO as it stands today.  Please please please
> take the time to respond to this as it can really help us to determine
> where exactly we ought to go!
>
>
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
>
> More specific surveys will follow, once I have a better idea of what to
> ask! :)
>
> Thanks!
> Scott

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Hi Björn, all,

Thanks to all of you working on the survey topic!

Scott, Javier: Do you think you could work with Björn's survey tool too?

While he worked on this platform for quite a time now, it would be great
if we could test it inside our team before we can point users, visitors
and external people to this surveys.

Surveys for such a large user base need a powerful and dedicated
infrastructure to reach the goal of valid and easy to extract data we
can use for further research and decision making.

Björn Balazs schrieb:
As the survey infrastructure is not finalized, I think Björn wanted to
avoid search engines to crawl for the link.

So please add http://www. in front of the link above...

Best regards

Bernhard

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Hi Bernhard, all,

Am Montag, 20. Juni 2011, 13:30:51 schrieb Bernhard Dippold:
> > bit.ly/iEkWrB
>
> As the survey infrastructure is not finalized, I think Björn wanted to
> avoid search engines to crawl for the link.
>
> So please add http://www. in front of the link above...

Actually no - it was pure oscitancy. I actually think we have no-follow tags
in the survey. At least we should :)

Thanks for clearifying!

Best,
Björn

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On Mon, 2011-06-20 at 09:50 +0200, Christopher Stark wrote:

    +1 (may be dynamically selected by a wizard)

> -I know that the current development has the opposite direction but I
> would like to have more dropdown menus for more categories who have less
> sub-functions.
>
> 3.) What would you like to see LibreOffice become?
>
> -A multi-device (also mobile!!!!) office suite that can do everything
> but also has a light mode the user can switch to.
>

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Hi all,

we only got very few answers to the survey. Perhaps you did not answer it
yet?

Go to: http://www.bit.ly/iEkWrB

Best,
Björn

Am Montag, 20. Juni 2011, 11:21:00 schrieb Björn Balazs:
> Hi Scott, all - especially those having answered the survey already,
>
> let us try to move these surveys into a sustainable direction. This means
> that the results need to be available for all people and all times without
> too much effort.
>
> Also doing a survey via a mailing list, forces biased answers, as all
people
> answering will know what other people have been answering before.
>
> As discussed with Bernhard and Christoph, we are working on a framework in
> which we can do these kind of surveys, which will be open and accessable
for ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > ----
> >
> > More specific surveys will follow, once I have a better idea of what to
> > ask! :)
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Scott

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Dear Bjoren and all,

The survey system looks great and friendly!

However, I'm a bit confused.

Is the aim of this survey primarily to test the survey-system or is the major aim to come up with some initial directions for future design?

Thanks for the work and additional appreciation for clarifying its goals.

Best,
dror

Hello everyone,
Sorry for not being online for a while. I have just done the survey.
~ King Duck

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Hi, Björn,

I have just finished answering it (kinda busy these days) right before
reading your mail.
I found it very easy to answer. The questions are open, but clearly
oriented. The site is friendly and non-intrusive.
My main concern is on how to process the data you will receive. People
have so many different ways of telling their opinion. While some are
laconic, others (like myself) use just too many words. But you're the
pro, so I'll just confide in you. If you need some help, though, just
say and I'll try to be useful.
Ah, and it occurred to me that maybe there could be a 'back' button also
(or all questions could be on the same page), because sometimes you want
to check whether you already said that, or you remind o something you
wanted to answer in the last question only when it's too late...

Cheers./

Em 22-06-2011 03:00, [hidden email] escreveu:
> Hi all,
>
> we only got very few answers to the survey. Perhaps you did not answer it
> yet?
>
> Go to:http://www.bit.ly/iEkWrB
>
> Best,
> Björn

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Hi Rafael, *,

Am Mittwoch, 22. Juni 2011, 03:28:08 schrieb Rafael Rocha Daud:
> Hi, Björn,
>
> I have just finished answering it (kinda busy these days) right before
> reading your mail.
> I found it very easy to answer. The questions are open, but clearly
> oriented. The site is friendly and non-intrusive.

Thanks. And we will continue to improve the survey site.

> My main concern is on how to process the data you will receive. People
> have so many different ways of telling their opinion. While some are
> laconic, others (like myself) use just too many words. But you're the
> pro, so I'll just confide in you. If you need some help, though, just
> say and I'll try to be useful.

The answers will available for the public at some later point (development is
in heavy progress). So everyone can (and is asked to) make up their own
opinion. But for sure open answers are not the best way of doing surveys,
esp. if you expect a lot of people participating. I just wanted to pick up
Scotts initiative, who started this thread by a mail survey. I did not
interfere much with the questions he asked. In future we should for sure try
to optimize surveys before we start them a bit more :)

> Ah, and it occurred to me that maybe there could be a 'back' button also
> (or all questions could be on the same page), because sometimes you want
> to check whether you already said that, or you remind o something you
> wanted to answer in the last question only when it's too late...

You can use the back button of your browser, but generally surveys tend to
ask for spontainous reactions, so we decided not to implement an "official"
back button. Perhaps we introduce this at some later point as configurable,
so the one setting up a survey can decided.

Thanks for your feedback!

Best,
Björn

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Hi Dror, *,

Am Dienstag, 21. Juni 2011, 13:26:40 schrieb drorlev:
> Dear Bjoren and all,
>
> The survey system looks great and friendly!

Great!

> However, I'm a bit confused.
>
> Is the aim of this survey primarily to test the survey-system or is the
> major aim to come up with some initial directions for future design?
>
> Thanks for the work and additional appreciation for clarifying its goals.

The survey has been put up by Scott, and I just put it from mail to the
survey system in order to keep the answers. So the survey is meant both, to
be inspirational (as Scott pointed out) and to give an impression of the
survey system itself.

Hope this answers your question!

Best,
Björn


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Scott, all,

I just stopped the survey, so no more answers get accepted. Scott, I hope
that is ok for you. You can find the answers here:

http://usability-methods.com/report/984fbf1910864be2b385aeca5723e412/

Note: This is temporary and will change a lot with the next release of the
plattform. So comments concerning the platform itsself are more or less
useless at the moment!

Best,
Björn

Am Sonntag, 19. Juni 2011, 18:09:00 schrieb Scott Pledger:
> Hey all,
>
> While we're trying to come up with goals for LibreOffice, I'd like to
> see what people think of LO as it stands today.  Please please please
> take the time to respond to this as it can really help us to determine
> where exactly we ought to go!
>
>
---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----
>
> More specific surveys will follow, once I have a better idea of what to
> ask! :)
>
> Thanks!
> Scott

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