Term usage for login and logout

> Hi :)
> I think for documentation it might be good to use.
> log-in
> log-out
> but between ourselves i guess we drop the - signs.  There is probably a list of pre-agreed conventions somewhere so stick with that if anyone finds it.  I just think that documentation tries to aim at non-computer users where possible and even fairly advanced users are still unfamiliar with login and logout.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
> --- On Wed, 27/6/12, Marc Paré <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> From: Marc Paré <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Term usage for login and logout
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Wednesday, 27 June, 2012, 11:06
>
> I just thought the the webteam should follow the documentation team's usage of the terms to add a little consistency to the website. I am just looking for clarification of usage for this:
>
> You will find the _____ button here.
>
> Do you (we) use:
>
> log-in
> login
> log in
> log -out
> logout
> log out
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Marc
>
>
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> I just thought the the webteam should follow the documentation team's usage
> of the terms to add a little consistency to the website. I am just looking
> for clarification of usage for this:
>
> You will find the _____ button here.
>
> Do you (we) use:
>
> log-in
> login
> log in
> log -out
> logout
> log out
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Marc
>

> Hi :)
> I think for documentation it might be good to use.
> log-in
> log-out
> but between ourselves i guess we drop the - signs.  There is probably a list of pre-agreed conventions somewhere so stick with that if anyone finds it.  I just think that documentation tries to aim at non-computer users where possible and even fairly advanced users are still unfamiliar with login and logout.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
> --- On Wed, 27/6/12, Marc Paré <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> From: Marc Paré <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Term usage for login and logout
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Wednesday, 27 June, 2012, 11:06
>
> I just thought the the webteam should follow the documentation team's usage of the terms to add a little consistency to the website. I am just looking for clarification of usage for this:
>
> You will find the _____ button here.
>
> Do you (we) use:
>
> log-in
> login
> log in
> log -out
> logout
> log out
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Marc
>
>
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> Hi :)
> That is why i so often say "i think" or similar things to try to make it clear that what i say is not definitive and seldom even reaches the level of being a suggestion.  The idea is that other people chime in with what they would like or else just give the definitive answer that was agreed previously or just pertinent information to help the discussion.
>
> When i am certain of something i do say so but that is very rare and certainly didn't apply to this thread.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
> --- On Wed, 27/6/12, Jean Weber <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> From: Jean Weber <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Term usage for login and logout
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Wednesday, 27 June, 2012, 12:17
>
> Tom,
> You do not speak for the Documentation Team on matters of language and style.
>
> Marc,
> I'll reply properly to your question as soon as I've had time to check
> on something.
>
> --Jean
>
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Tom Davies <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi :)
>> I think for documentation it might be good to use.
>> log-in
>> log-out
>> but between ourselves i guess we drop the - signs.  There is probably a list of pre-agreed conventions somewhere so stick with that if anyone finds it.  I just think that documentation tries to aim at non-computer users where possible and even fairly advanced users are still unfamiliar with login and logout.
>> Regards from
>> Tom :)
>>
>>
>> --- On Wed, 27/6/12, Marc Paré <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> From: Marc Paré <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Term usage for login and logout
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Date: Wednesday, 27 June, 2012, 11:06
>>
>> I just thought the the webteam should follow the documentation team's usage of the terms to add a little consistency to the website. I am just looking for clarification of usage for this:
>>
>> You will find the _____ button here.
>>
>> Do you (we) use:
>>
>> log-in
>> login
>> log in
>> log -out
>> logout
>> log out
>>
>> Thanks for the help.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
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> Hi :)
> That is why i so often say "i think" or similar things to try to make it clear that what i say is not definitive and seldom even reaches the level of being a suggestion.  The idea is that other people chime in with what they would like or else just give the definitive answer that was agreed previously or just pertinent information to help the discussion.  
>
> When i am certain of something i do say so but that is very rare and certainly didn't apply to this thread.  
> Regards from
> Tom :)  
>
>
> --- On Wed, 27/6/12, Jean Weber <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> From: Jean Weber <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Term usage for login and logout
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Wednesday, 27 June, 2012, 12:17
>
> Tom,
> You do not speak for the Documentation Team on matters of language and style.
>
> Marc,
> I'll reply properly to your question as soon as I've had time to check
> on something.
>
> --Jean
>
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Tom Davies <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi :)
>> I think for documentation it might be good to use.
>> log-in
>> log-out
>> but between ourselves i guess we drop the - signs.  There is probably a list of pre-agreed conventions somewhere so stick with that if anyone finds it.  I just think that documentation tries to aim at non-computer users where possible and even fairly advanced users are still unfamiliar with login and logout.
>> Regards from
>> Tom :)
>>
>>
>> --- On Wed, 27/6/12, Marc Paré <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> From: Marc Paré <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Term usage for login and logout
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Date: Wednesday, 27 June, 2012, 11:06
>>
>> I just thought the the webteam should follow the documentation team's usage of the terms to add a little consistency to the website. I am just looking for clarification of usage for this:
>>
>> You will find the _____ button here.
>>
>> Do you (we) use:
>>
>> log-in
>> login
>> log in
>> log -out
>> logout
>> log out
>>
>> Thanks for the help.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
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> Hello Jean and Tom
>
> In my opinion we need a dictionary of terms that everybody has to follow. The dictionary should also include the use on contractions and the apostrophe. I have used this type of dictionary before when I worked with Ericsson in Sweden and Netherlands.
>
> A few examples:
>
> Log in/log out          not             login/logout
> Set up                  not             setup
> Cannot                  not             can not or can't
> Do not                  not             don't
> To                      not             in order to
> It is                   not             it's
>
> It does need a volunteer to do this and the dictionary could be included in the technical writers' guide.
>
>
>
> Peter Schofield
> [hidden email]
>
>
> On 28 Jun 2012, at 02:57, Tom Davies wrote:
>
>> Hi :)
>> That is why i so often say "i think" or similar things to try to make it clear that what i say is not definitive and seldom even reaches the level of being a suggestion.  The idea is that other people chime in with what they would like or else just give the definitive answer that was agreed previously or just pertinent information to help the discussion.
>>
>> When i am certain of something i do say so but that is very rare and certainly didn't apply to this thread.
>> Regards from
>> Tom :)
>>
>>
>> --- On Wed, 27/6/12, Jean Weber <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> From: Jean Weber <[hidden email]>
>> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Term usage for login and logout
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Date: Wednesday, 27 June, 2012, 12:17
>>
>> Tom,
>> You do not speak for the Documentation Team on matters of language and style.
>>
>> Marc,
>> I'll reply properly to your question as soon as I've had time to check
>> on something.
>>
>> --Jean
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Tom Davies <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Hi :)
>>> I think for documentation it might be good to use.
>>> log-in
>>> log-out
>>> but between ourselves i guess we drop the - signs.  There is probably a list of pre-agreed conventions somewhere so stick with that if anyone finds it.  I just think that documentation tries to aim at non-computer users where possible and even fairly advanced users are still unfamiliar with login and logout.
>>> Regards from
>>> Tom :)
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 27/6/12, Marc Paré <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Marc Paré <[hidden email]>
>>> Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Term usage for login and logout
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Date: Wednesday, 27 June, 2012, 11:06
>>>
>>> I just thought the the webteam should follow the documentation team's usage of the terms to add a little consistency to the website. I am just looking for clarification of usage for this:
>>>
>>> You will find the _____ button here.
>>>
>>> Do you (we) use:
>>>
>>> log-in
>>> login
>>> log in
>>> log -out
>>> logout
>>> log out
>>>
>>> Thanks for the help.
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>>
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> I just thought the the webteam should follow the documentation team's
> usage of the terms to add a little consistency to the website. I am just
> looking for clarification of usage for this:
>
> You will find the _____ button here.
>
> Do you (we) use:
>
> log-in
> login
> log in
> log -out
> logout
> log out
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> Marc
>
>

> Marc,
> Standard practice is to use in the documentation the same term (and
> capitalisation) that appears on the item in the user interface. So if
> the button says "Login" then the docs would say "You will find the
> Login button here." or "Click the Login button." or similar.
>
> As for what the button itself should be called, I'm fairly sure that
> the majority of such buttons that I have seen recently are labelled
> "Login" or "Logout".
>