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Gordon Burgess-Parker

Update and extension grizzles and aggravation

1. I cannot understand why there is STILL no "upgrade" function in LO. I
had 3.3.1 and in order to upgrade to 3.3.2 I had to download the whole
220 MB. Now I know that's not a lot, but for those on capped and/or slow
connections it IS a lot.
2. In the old installation of 3.3.1 I had removed all the non-English
dictionaries (after a long search on how to do this - WHY is there not
an easy dictionary removel method?) and after downloading the GB version
of the new install file, IT RE-INSTALLED ALL THE NON-ENGLISH
DICTIONARIES! What on earth is the point of a GB install file when it
just replaces all the non-English dictionaries that I had to
painstakingly remove previously? GRRRRRR.
Come on LO. Get your act together....

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Bruce Summitt

Re: Update and extension grizzles and aggravation

I'll venture a guess... :)

1. LO is still a work in progress. It's only had an "installer" and been
added to distro repo's for a relatively short time. Patience is a virtue.

2. See #1.

Breath. :D

On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Gordon Burgess-Parker
<[hidden email]>wrote:

> 1. I cannot understand why there is STILL no "upgrade" function in LO. I
> had 3.3.1 and in order to upgrade to 3.3.2 I had to download the whole 220
> MB. Now I know that's not a lot, but for those on capped and/or slow
> connections it IS a lot.
> 2. In the old installation of 3.3.1 I had removed all the non-English
> dictionaries (after a long search on how to do this - WHY is there not an
> easy dictionary removel method?) and after downloading the GB version of the
> new install file, IT RE-INSTALLED ALL THE NON-ENGLISH DICTIONARIES! What on
> earth is the point of a GB install file when it just replaces all the
> non-English dictionaries that I had to painstakingly remove previously?
> GRRRRRR.
> Come on LO. Get your act together....
>
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krackedpress

Re: Update and extension grizzles and aggravation

In reply to this post by Gordon Burgess-Parker

On 04/25/2011 12:35 PM, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:

> 1. I cannot understand why there is STILL no "upgrade" function in LO.
> I had 3.3.1 and in order to upgrade to 3.3.2 I had to download the
> whole 220 MB. Now I know that's not a lot, but for those on capped
> and/or slow connections it IS a lot.
> 2. In the old installation of 3.3.1 I had removed all the non-English
> dictionaries (after a long search on how to do this - WHY is there not
> an easy dictionary removel method?) and after downloading the GB
> version of the new install file, IT RE-INSTALLED ALL THE NON-ENGLISH
> DICTIONARIES! What on earth is the point of a GB install file when it
> just replaces all the non-English dictionaries that I had to
> painstakingly remove previously? GRRRRRR.
> Come on LO. Get your act together....
>

Sounds like you installed Windows version.

The problem with upgrading via smaller files is how do you deal with
installing these small files properly? Sometimes it seems that if you
have any security built into your system, it will make it very difficult
to allow small changes to big packages.

It would be nice to have some way to just upgrade the package modules
that are updated. But there are so many problems if there are package
wide updates that are embedded into the largest of the files installed.
Actually, depending on your OS, these files could be stored in many
different places. I am still trying to find where my OS is storing a
few files that I know are there.

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Cliff Scott-3

Re: Update and extension grizzles and aggravation

In reply to this post by Gordon Burgess-Parker

** Reply to message from Gordon Burgess-Parker <[hidden email]> on Mon,
25 Apr 2011 17:35:40 +0100

> 1. I cannot understand why there is STILL no "upgrade" function in LO. I
> had 3.3.1 and in order to upgrade to 3.3.2 I had to download the whole
> 220 MB. Now I know that's not a lot, but for those on capped and/or slow
> connections it IS a lot.
> 2. In the old installation of 3.3.1 I had removed all the non-English
> dictionaries (after a long search on how to do this - WHY is there not
> an easy dictionary removel method?) and after downloading the GB version
> of the new install file, IT RE-INSTALLED ALL THE NON-ENGLISH
> DICTIONARIES! What on earth is the point of a GB install file when it
> just replaces all the non-English dictionaries that I had to
> painstakingly remove previously? GRRRRRR.
> Come on LO. Get your act together....

You can solve your own problem by deselecting them during installation. They
only install because they are selected by default, which IMHO should not be
done. It takes a minute or so, but there are two lists that you have to go
through and deselect all the dictionaries and language stuff you don't want
to install.

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Andy Brown

Re: Update and extension grizzles and aggravation

Cliff Scott wrote:

> ** Reply to message from Gordon Burgess-Parker<[hidden email]> on Mon,
> 25 Apr 2011 17:35:40 +0100
>
>> 1. I cannot understand why there is STILL no "upgrade" function in LO. I
>> had 3.3.1 and in order to upgrade to 3.3.2 I had to download the whole
>> 220 MB. Now I know that's not a lot, but for those on capped and/or slow
>> connections it IS a lot.
>> 2. In the old installation of 3.3.1 I had removed all the non-English
>> dictionaries (after a long search on how to do this - WHY is there not
>> an easy dictionary removel method?) and after downloading the GB version
>> of the new install file, IT RE-INSTALLED ALL THE NON-ENGLISH
>> DICTIONARIES! What on earth is the point of a GB install file when it
>> just replaces all the non-English dictionaries that I had to
>> painstakingly remove previously? GRRRRRR.
>> Come on LO. Get your act together....
>
> You can solve your own problem by deselecting them during installation. They
> only install because they are selected by default, which IMHO should not be
> done. It takes a minute or so, but there are two lists that you have to go
> through and deselect all the dictionaries and language stuff you don't want
> to install.
>
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That is strange, as here Ubuntu I was not given a choice. The extras
have to be removed via the package manager.

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Ben McGinnes

Re: Update and extension grizzles and aggravation

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> Actually, depending on your OS, these files could be stored in many
> different places. I am still trying to find where my OS is storing a
> few files that I know are there.

I notice you're using Linux. You should be able to find any file with
the locate command (e.g. locate foo). If it doesn't work then switch
to root and run updatedb from the / directory, then add this to the
crontab for the nobody user:

40 04 * * * cd / ; updatedb 1> /dev/null 2> /dev/null

If you don't leave your system on all the time then you might want to
change the time to one when the system is usually on.

Regards,
Ben

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Gordon Burgess-Parker

Re: Update and extension grizzles and aggravation

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On 26/04/2011 03:07, Cliff Scott wrote:
>
> You can solve your own problem by deselecting them during installation. They
> only install because they are selected by default, which IMHO should not be
> done. It takes a minute or so, but there are two lists that you have to go
> through and deselect all the dictionaries and language stuff you don't want
> to install.
>
Well I looked at the Custom install options and couldn't see any
dictionaries to de-select there - did I miss something?

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Charles Marcus

Re: Update and extension grizzles and aggravation

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On 2011-04-25 10:07 PM, Cliff Scott wrote:
> You can solve your own problem by deselecting them during
> installation.

But you also have to choose 'Custom Install' first to be able to
deselect them.

> They only install because they are selected by default, which IMHO
> should not be done.

+1000

The only language related stuff that should be selected by default is
the detected language version of the OS itself.

> It takes a minute or so, but there are two lists that you have to go
> through and deselect all the dictionaries and language stuff you
> don't want to install.

Two? I have only ever had to deselect all of the other dictionaries, the
language itself is usually only defaulted to install English.

Or is there another one I've been missing that accounts for why the
properties in 'Add/Remove Programs' still shows the hug string of every
single language even though I only want/need English?

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krackedpress

Re: Update and extension grizzles and aggravation

On 04/26/2011 11:17 AM, Charles Marcus wrote:

> On 2011-04-25 10:07 PM, Cliff Scott wrote:
>> You can solve your own problem by deselecting them during
>> installation.
> But you also have to choose 'Custom Install' first to be able to
> deselect them.
>
>> They only install because they are selected by default, which IMHO
>> should not be done.
> +1000
>
> The only language related stuff that should be selected by default is
> the detected language version of the OS itself.
>
>> It takes a minute or so, but there are two lists that you have to go
>> through and deselect all the dictionaries and language stuff you
>> don't want to install.
> Two? I have only ever had to deselect all of the other dictionaries, the
> language itself is usually only defaulted to install English.
>
> Or is there another one I've been missing that accounts for why the
> properties in 'Add/Remove Programs' still shows the hug string of every
> single language even though I only want/need English?
>

For Ubuntu, the install of the DEB file [not through the repositories]
installed US English, French, and Spanish dictionaries. For other
languages, you have to install separate language files. For Windows,
you have a choice of All Languages and Multi Languages. Multi has only
the most "popular" languages that are available using LibreOffice.

Yes, the issue of needing to do a "Custom Install" to choose only the
language files/dictionaries you want, or need, can be a problem for some
users. I wish there was an option in the default install asking you if
you want any other language files other than US English.

For English dictionaries , I found; Australian, Canadian, Great Britain,
US, New Zealand, and South African versions. There are at least 26
different localized Spanish dictionaries. For my complete list [that I
have found online] go to
http://libreoffice-na.us/English/extensions.html#dict This is a very
large list and is a part of the NA Community DVD[s]. I do not know how
many of these are part of the LibreOffice install for those languages,
but these can be added through the Extension Manager.

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Cliff Scott-3

Re: Update and extension grizzles and aggravation

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** Reply to message from Andy Brown <[hidden email]> on Mon, 25 Apr
2011 19:36:29 -0700

> Cliff Scott wrote:
> > ** Reply to message from Gordon Burgess-Parker<[hidden email]> on Mon,
> > 25 Apr 2011 17:35:40 +0100
> >
> >> 1. I cannot understand why there is STILL no "upgrade" function in LO. I
> >> had 3.3.1 and in order to upgrade to 3.3.2 I had to download the whole
> >> 220 MB. Now I know that's not a lot, but for those on capped and/or slow
> >> connections it IS a lot.
> >> 2. In the old installation of 3.3.1 I had removed all the non-English
> >> dictionaries (after a long search on how to do this - WHY is there not
> >> an easy dictionary removel method?) and after downloading the GB version
> >> of the new install file, IT RE-INSTALLED ALL THE NON-ENGLISH
> >> DICTIONARIES! What on earth is the point of a GB install file when it
> >> just replaces all the non-English dictionaries that I had to
> >> painstakingly remove previously? GRRRRRR.
> >> Come on LO. Get your act together....
> >
> > You can solve your own problem by deselecting them during installation. They
> > only install because they are selected by default, which IMHO should not be
> > done. It takes a minute or so, but there are two lists that you have to go
> > through and deselect all the dictionaries and language stuff you don't want
> > to install.
> >
> > --
> > Cliff
>
> That is strange, as here Ubuntu I was not given a choice. The extras
> have to be removed via the package manager.

This was on WinXP, selecting the "custom" installation.

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Cliff Scott-3

Re: Update and extension grizzles and aggravation

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** Reply to message from Gordon Burgess-Parker <[hidden email]> on Tue,
26 Apr 2011 08:46:18 +0100

> On 26/04/2011 03:07, Cliff Scott wrote:
> >
> > You can solve your own problem by deselecting them during installation. They
> > only install because they are selected by default, which IMHO should not be
> > done. It takes a minute or so, but there are two lists that you have to go
> > through and deselect all the dictionaries and language stuff you don't want
> > to install.
> >
> Well I looked at the Custom install options and couldn't see any
> dictionaries to de-select there - did I miss something?

Open up the item "Optional Components". In there you will fine a whole list
of stuff inclucing Dictionaries and Language Packs. LMB on the + to open up
the list and set them as you wish.

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Cliff Scott-3

Re: Update and extension grizzles and aggravation

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** Reply to message from Charles Marcus <[hidden email]> on Tue,
26 Apr 2011 11:17:17 -0400

> On 2011-04-25 10:07 PM, Cliff Scott wrote:
> > You can solve your own problem by deselecting them during
> > installation.
>
> But you also have to choose 'Custom Install' first to be able to
> deselect them.
>
> > They only install because they are selected by default, which IMHO
> > should not be done.
>
> +1000
>
> The only language related stuff that should be selected by default is
> the detected language version of the OS itself.
>
> > It takes a minute or so, but there are two lists that you have to go
> > through and deselect all the dictionaries and language stuff you
> > don't want to install.
>
> Two? I have only ever had to deselect all of the other dictionaries, the
> language itself is usually only defaulted to install English.
>
> Or is there another one I've been missing that accounts for why the
> properties in 'Add/Remove Programs' still shows the hug string of every
> single language even though I only want/need English?

It still normally installs a whole list of language packs, but doesn't use
them unless you later request to change languages.

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Charles Marcus

Re: Update and extension grizzles and aggravation

On 2011-04-28 1:40 AM, Cliff Scott wrote:
> Charles Marcus wrote on Tue, 26 Apr 2011 11:17:17 -0400
>> Two? I have only ever had to deselect all of the other dictionaries, the
>> language itself is usually only defaulted to install English.
>>
>> Or is there another one I've been missing that accounts for why the
>> properties in 'Add/Remove Programs' still shows the hug string of every
>> single language even though I only want/need English?

> It still normally installs a whole list of language packs, but doesn't use
> them unless you later request to change languages.

Not when I've installed it (dozens of times now) - it only has two
languages seletced by default - EN-US and EN-UK (I think, thats from
memory)... but I know it is only the dictionaries I have to deselect-all
then select only the english...

This is on Windows, both XP and 7...

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Cliff Scott-3

Re: Update and extension grizzles and aggravation

** Reply to message from Charles Marcus <[hidden email]> on Thu,
28 Apr 2011 07:31:57 -0400

> On 2011-04-28 1:40 AM, Cliff Scott wrote:
> > Charles Marcus wrote on Tue, 26 Apr 2011 11:17:17 -0400
> >> Two? I have only ever had to deselect all of the other dictionaries, the
> >> language itself is usually only defaulted to install English.
> >>
> >> Or is there another one I've been missing that accounts for why the
> >> properties in 'Add/Remove Programs' still shows the hug string of every
> >> single language even though I only want/need English?
>
> > It still normally installs a whole list of language packs, but doesn't use
> > them unless you later request to change languages.
>
> Not when I've installed it (dozens of times now) - it only has two
> languages seletced by default - EN-US and EN-UK (I think, that's from
> memory)... but I know it is only the dictionaries I have to deselect-all
> then select only the english...
>
> This is on Windows, both XP and 7...

Interesting. I've only installed it four times. Twice under XP and twice
under Win2K. The first install in each OS, 3.3.0, installed all the extra
stuff because I didn't know any better. When upgrading to 3.3.1 I deselected
all the extra stuff and it did as it should. It's been quite a while now so
maybe my memory is failing me, but as I recall it there were extra languages
installed both times I installed 3.3.0 and not when installing 3.3.1.

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