[Vote] Consistent theme for screenshots

Hi all,

there have been lots of mail in this thread [1] about the advantages and
disadvantaged of a recommendation for a consistent theme for screenshots
covering documentation screenshots as well as marketing screenshots.

During the discussion several people agreed on a proposal by Jean
compromising between readability on greylevel printing and branding
language compliance in colored online doc versions or marketing material.

It is based on the Clearlooks theme (on GNOME, ports to KDE and Windows
XP available too) with a definite font with weight and size (Liberation
bold 11 pt for window titles) and adds a LibreOffice palette color
(Libre Green 2) for highlighted areas like windows headers.

If you want to establish a recommendation to use this modified theme for
screenshots, please add "+1" here:


Others want to propose a broad variety of different themes on
screenshots in order to show the diversity of LibreOffice and it's
possibility to be installed on different platforms in the documentation
screenshots.

They fear that new contributors might turn away when they find out, that
there is a recommendation how to create screenshots for documentation
and marketing.

If you prefer a way without caring about recommendations, just creating
the screenshots you like, please add your "+1" here:


A second question has been raised by Marc inside the thread:
He asked for a unified cursor style to be included in thee package.

His proposal: Use a standardized cursor theme like "OpenZone white" for
the screenshots and include this cursor in the theme for the colors.

If you agree with him on the cursor/pointers, please sign here for a
second time with "+1":


On the other hand I think that most platforms provide similar pointers
and cursors, so this part doesn't need to be included in this voting.
I'd propose a more inclusive wiki page including a recommendation to use
a consistent cursor. "-1"

So you have two votes - I hope you understand what I mean...

Best regards

Bernhard

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On Fri, 2011-07-08 at 01:23 +0200, Bernhard Dippold wrote:

        + 1 (best to use the system defaults for both LO and the OS)

>
> A second question has been raised by Marc inside the thread:
> He asked for a unified cursor style to be included in thee package.
>
> His proposal: Use a standardized cursor theme like "OpenZone white" for
> the screenshots and include this cursor in the theme for the colors.
>
> If you agree with him on the cursor/pointers, please sign here for a
> second time with "+1":

        -1 (prefer system defaults)    




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Hi Bernhard: thanks for doing this.

Le 2011-07-07 20:02, planas a écrit :
+1

+1 (although it wasn't really discussed with feedback and meant as a
proposal)



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Sorry for starting a new thread, but I could not reply to the last mail, because I signed up later...

>Hi Bernhard: thanks for doing this.
>
  >Le 2011-07-07 20:02, planas a écrit :

    On Fri, 2011-07-08 at 01:23 +0200, Bernhard Dippold wrote:


        Hi all,

        there have been lots of mail in this thread [1] about the advantages and
        disadvantaged of a recommendation for a consistent theme for screenshots
        covering documentation screenshots as well as marketing screenshots.

        During the discussion several people agreed on a proposal by Jean
        compromising between readability on greylevel printing and branding
        language compliance in colored online doc versions or marketing material.

        It is based on the Clearlooks theme (on GNOME, ports to KDE and Windows
        XP available too) with a definite font with weight and size (Liberation
        bold 11 pt for window titles) and adds a LibreOffice palette color
        (Libre Green 2) for highlighted areas like windows headers.

        If you want to establish a recommendation to use this modified theme for
        screenshots, please add "+1" here:

>+1

My favourite +1

        Others want to propose a broad variety of different themes on
        screenshots in order to show the diversity of LibreOffice and it's
        possibility to be installed on different platforms in the documentation
        screenshots.

        They fear that new contributors might turn away when they find out, that
        there is a recommendation how to create screenshots for documentation
        and marketing.

        If you prefer a way without caring about recommendations, just creating
        the screenshots you like, please add your "+1" here:

             + 1 (best to use the system defaults for both LO and the OS)


        A second question has been raised by Marc inside the thread:
        He asked for a unified cursor style to be included in thee package.

        His proposal: Use a standardized cursor theme like "OpenZone white" for
        the screenshots and include this cursor in the theme for the colors.

        If you agree with him on the cursor/pointers, please sign here for a
        second time with "+1":

>+1 (although it wasn't really discussed with feedback and meant as
aproposal)

-1

              -1 (prefer system defaults)


     

        On the other hand I think that most platforms provide similar pointers
        and cursors, so this part doesn't need to be included in this voting.
        I'd propose a more inclusive wiki page including a recommendation to use
        a consistent cursor. "-1"

        So you have two votes - I hope you understand what I mean...

        Best regards

        Bernhard




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Hi,

On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 2:23 AM, Bernhard Dippold
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> If you want to establish a recommendation to use this modified theme for
> screenshots, please add "+1" here:

-1

> If you prefer a way without caring about recommendations, just creating the
> screenshots you like, please add your "+1" here:

+1
The English docs team can use the existing recommendations in the
Contributors' Guide.

> A second question has been raised by Marc inside the thread:
> He asked for a unified cursor style to be included in thee package.
>
> His proposal: Use a standardized cursor theme like "OpenZone white" for the
> screenshots and include this cursor in the theme for the colors.
>
> If you agree with him on the cursor/pointers, please sign here for a second
> time with "+1":

-1

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Hi Bernhard,

thanks for managing this ...

Am Freitag, den 08.07.2011, 01:23 +0200 schrieb Bernhard Dippold:
[...]
> It is based on the Clearlooks theme (on GNOME, ports to KDE and Windows
> XP available too) with a definite font with weight and size (Liberation
> bold 11 pt for window titles) and adds a LibreOffice palette color
> (Libre Green 2) for highlighted areas like windows headers.
>
> If you want to establish a recommendation to use this modified theme for
> screenshots, please add "+1" here:

+1

Note: I still think that LibreOffice Green 1 would be more pleasing to
the eye in the long run, but Green 2 is okay as well.


-1

Note: Guidelines help, even if there are sometimes reasons to not
enforce them (e.g. for the new features section, if only a "quickly
made" screenshot by a developer is available and we lack time to re-do
it.)

By the way, the question itself is a bit hard to understand - so please
guys be aware that
"-1 = recommendation is good", and
"+1 = no recommendation wanted".

> A second question has been raised by Marc inside the thread:
> He asked for a unified cursor style to be included in thee package.
>
> His proposal: Use a standardized cursor theme like "OpenZone white" for
> the screenshots and include this cursor in the theme for the colors.
>
> If you agree with him on the cursor/pointers, please sign here for a
> second time with "+1":

-1

Changing cursor themes is an additional step and usually not required
when taking screenshots (assuming that the cursor doesn't vary too much
between the operating systems). But, if somebody adds this as an
optional recommendation and provides a package for that - why not use
it?

> On the other hand I think that most platforms provide similar pointers
> and cursors, so this part doesn't need to be included in this voting.
> I'd propose a more inclusive wiki page including a recommendation to use
> a consistent cursor. "-1"

Cheers,
Christoph


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Hi Florian, all,

just recently I discovered how to avoid new threads when you want to
reply to an existing mail without having subscribed before:

Florian Reisinger schrieb:
> Sorry for starting a new thread, but I could not reply to the last mail,
> because I signed up later...
>[...]

You'll have to follow three steps:


1) Find out the message number of the mail you want to reply to.

The most easy way is to have a look at the headers:

You mail, Florian, contains this Return-Path:
<design+bounces-2685-[my_mail_address]@global.libreoffice.org>

The number in this path is the mail number.


2) Send a single mail request to the mailserver.

This is easily to be done by sending an empty mail to
<design+get-[mail_number]@global.libreoffice.org>

(for your mail it would be [hidden email] )

3) Reply to the mail you receive (which should be the original mail).

As reply to the original message your reply will be positioned in the
thread at the right place.

I don't know if this works even without being subscribed (in my eyes it
should work nevertheless), but for subscribed people it works.

If this might be helpful for others too, it could be added to the wiki
and written in a way applicable to all the LibreOffice lists.

Therefore I CC'd the website list (should be the right place for
follow-ups) - perhaps someone is interested in doing this...

Best regards

Bernhard



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On 07/07/2011 04:23 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: -1 +1. I think we should follow the default themes for Windows and Mac OS X
where the one unified theme for all Linux distros.

> A second question has been raised by Marc inside the thread:
> He asked for a unified cursor style to be included in thee package.
>
> His proposal: Use a standardized cursor theme like "OpenZone white"
> for the screenshots and include this cursor in the theme for the colors.
>
> If you agree with him on the cursor/pointers, please sign here for a
> second time with "+1":
-1. I think we can take screenshots without any cursors. Even if we end
up deciding to have cursors, I vote for following default OS theme
cursors (see my other vote above)
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