how easy is it to add the LO donation "link"?

I was wondering about how easy it would be to have the donation link/box
that is on the left side of the
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Main_Page .

I was thinking that it would be proper to have such a link on the NA-DVD
page [front index page of the domain].  It would be another place where
someone can click on a link to donate some money to LO to help pay for
the server costs, etc.

It would be nice for me to have a link to help pay for my server costs,
but LO need it more for the "cost of doing business", including server
and marketing costs.

If I had a like to my Paypal account, I would donate part of it to LO,
but for now, I would rather have the donation link seen on the TDF wiki
page for donating to LO directly.

---

One day, I may set up a "order the NA-DVD" link with donation. I have a
"business account" with Paypal, but I changed the "business name" from
Kracked Press Productions to Lungstrom.com, due to the restrictions of
living in a government funded housing "complex".  It is not within their
"rules" to have a business name as part of my mailing address, since
shipments of items over the size of the mail boxes are given to the
office to hold till I can pick them up.

      Kracked Press Productions
      300 S. . . . . - apt . . .
       . . . .  New York . . . .

had to go in favor of [since it does have my name on it as one of my URLs]

Lungstrom.com
      300 S. . . . . -apt . . .
       . . . .  New York . . . .

---

So how easy would it be to have a donation link to LO?  Should I
copy/paste the HTML there, or should I wait for someone to give me the
code off-list?.  As I said, it is another place for LO to get a donation.



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Hi,

webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote on 2012-06-30 18:05:

> I was wondering about how easy it would be to have the donation link/box
> that is on the left side of the
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Main_Page .

it's actually not that complicated. As far as I know, you can easily
copy the HTML code, which would be:

<form action="https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr" method="post">
        <p>
        <input name="lc" value="EN" type="hidden">
        <input name="cmd" value="_donations" type="hidden">
        <input name="business" value="[hidden email]" type="hidden">
        <input name="return" value="http://www.documentfoundation.org"
type="hidden">
        <input name="undefined_quantity" value="0" type="hidden">
        <input name="item_name" value="The Document Foundation" type="hidden">
        <input name="amount" size="4" maxlength="10" value="10"
style="text-align: right;" type="text">
                <select name="currency_code">
                        <option value="EUR">EUR</option>
                        <option value="USD">USD</option>
                        <option value="GBP">GBP</option>
                        <option value="CHF">CHF</option>
                        <option value="AUD">AUD</option>
                        <option value="HKD">HKD</option>
                        <option value="CAD">CAD</option>
                        <option value="JPY">JPY</option>
                        <option value="NZD">NZD</option>
                        <option value="SGD">SGD</option>
                        <option value="SEK">SEK</option>
                        <option value="DKK">DKK</option>
                        <option value="PLN">PLN</option>
                        <option value="NOK">NOK</option>
                        <option value="HUF">HUF</option>
                        <option value="CZK">CZK</option>
                        <option value="ILS">ILS</option>
                        <option value="MXN">MXN</option>
        </select>
        <input name="charset" value="utf-8" type="hidden">
        <input name="no_shipping" value="1" type="hidden">
        <input name="image_url"
value="https://www.libreoffice.org/themes/libo/images/logo.png"
type="hidden">
        <input name="cancel_return" value="http://www.documentfoundation.org"
type="hidden">
        <input name="no_note" value="1" type="hidden"><br><br>
        <input
src="https://www.paypalobjects.com/en_US/i/logo/PayPal_mark_60x38.gif"
name="submit" alt="PayPal secure payments." type="image">
        </p>
        </form>

> I was thinking that it would be proper to have such a link on the NA-DVD
> page [front index page of the domain].  It would be another place where
> someone can click on a link to donate some money to LO to help pay for
> the server costs, etc.

That would be very much appreciated, definitely! :-)

> It would be nice for me to have a link to help pay for my server costs,
> but LO need it more for the "cost of doing business", including server
> and marketing costs.

Oh, do you have expenses for creating the NA-DVD?

Florian

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On 07/02/2012 07:20 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: My biggest cost is the cost of making and handing out the DVDs to local
users and businesses. DVDs and DVD cases do not grow on trees.  For a
person on a fixed income, that cost can add up.  I have never charged
anyone for my DVDs.

Sure, LO's costs are more than mine, much more.  Yet, local people still
can have "marketing costs" to cover.  I would do more marketing, local
print and such, if I had the income to do so.




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Hi,

webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote on 2012-07-02 14:32:
> My biggest cost is the cost of making and handing out the DVDs to local
> users and businesses. DVDs and DVD cases do not grow on trees.  For a
> person on a fixed income, that cost can add up.  I have never charged
> anyone for my DVDs.
>
> Sure, LO's costs are more than mine, much more.  Yet, local people still
> can have "marketing costs" to cover.  I would do more marketing, local
> print and such, if I had the income to do so.

I am so sorry to hear you spend private money for marketing LibreOffice,
and at the same time would like to thank you for your enthusiasm!

It is my clear conviction that people who voluntarily spend time for
their pro bono engagement really should not spend their private money as
well. One of the most important tasks for marketing right now is indeed
to create local groups and budgets, to make those projects possible. I
really hope we can work on that soon, so you and all the others doing
great work can benefit from it.

Thanks again!
Florian

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On 07/03/2012 08:19 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote:
I have been making copies of the NA-DVD and giving them out since I had
a good version of it.  That was last summer/fall.

How many 100's I made, I do not know.

Right now I am waiting on 3.5.5 to come out.  Usually it comes out on
the Monday or Tuesday [if memory is correct] of the scheduled week, so I
am hoping it will be out today.  Then I will create the next version of
the DVD.

I bought a printer that prints on DVDs last spring/summer so I can have
nice looking labels, not hand written or paper ones.

I use the thin DVD movie cases, instead of Jewel cases, when I give a
DVD to business and other users that are not friends. Looks better that
way.

I am thinking about adding some web links to the DVD that will be things
like donate to TDF/LO and other things that are online only options.

Because of my government-subsidized housing, I cannot run a business out
of my apartment.  That is one of  the main reasons I do not "sell" a
copy of my DVD online.  If I did, some way that is allowed by the
housing people, I would make sure the cost included materials, shipping,
a small amount for my troubles, and a donation to TDF/LO that I would
hope is split between LO's costs in Europe and marketing monies for the
USA, like for shows and events.

I think I have a way figured out, but it may require me to get a postal
box, which will cost me $140 a year.  But I hope to do it with my
apartment address.  If all of the money is paid through Paypal, then no
checks or other "business" stuff will be coming to my mail box.  If
everything is done online, with me just going to the post office to send
the DVDs out, that may work for the housing people.  Also it the money
is listed as "donation" to me to pay for my costs and to LO, it might
would as well. Any income I get must be reported to the housing office.  
They also require copies of my check statements, so any money deposited
into my account from Paypal will be noticed.

SO I have a few things to work out.
It would be nice to have someone else do the "selling" for me, but that
has not happened yet.

Still, I have spent my personal money to promote LO locally.  I am on a
fixed income, so it cannot afford to spend much at one time, but I do
spend some.

If my hosting service would allow me to have a file larger than 200MB or
so, I would host my DVD .iso file on it, along with LO's CD/DVD page,
but that service [and all I have looked at] have problems with hosting
any "repository-like" service.  I wanted to be a mirror to LO's server,
but the same problem prevents that.

Still, I do what I can, when I can.  Right now, I am looking at running
off a set of the DVDs [3.5.5 hopefully] and give them to my government
list so they have the newest versions, instead of the 3.4.x versions
they have from the last time I gave them a copy.  Going to their office
in a wheelchair, or a wheeled walker, tends to make them take notice of
me and what I am offering them.  I just wish it was not a 1-2 year
process to get the school districts in my area to use LO in their
computer centers.

By the way - I had a problem with a .docx file that was a brochure with
boxes of images and background colors with the text.  I could not read
it with 3.5.4, so I explained to the sender that there are many people
out there that would not be able to read such a file, since MSO 2010
files are not read well with MSO 2007 or many of the other office
packages that read/write MSO files.  I told her if she really wants to
send out editable documents, she should get use to sending them as .doc
files.  Also for things like the brochures, she should not send them out
as editable files, but send them put as PDF files.  Then I gave her a
link to doPDF [free PDF printer] so if she did not have a PDF
printer/exporting options, she would ve able to use that free one.  She
told me that she never though about people not being to view her
"complex" .docx files, and also realized that these files should not be
sent as an editable file.


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Hi,

webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote on 2012-07-03 15:00:
> Still, I have spent my personal money to promote LO locally.  I am on a
> fixed income, so it cannot afford to spend much at one time, but I do
> spend some.

I'd like to thank you for all your work and engagement, that is really
appreciated and helps the community a lot! I really feel bad if people
spend their private money for their pro bono engagement, and I am sure
we soon will find ways of distributing money better and also enable
local organizations to collect money on behalf of TDF.

> If my hosting service would allow me to have a file larger than 200MB or
> so, I would host my DVD .iso file on it, along with LO's CD/DVD page,
> but that service [and all I have looked at] have problems with hosting
> any "repository-like" service.  I wanted to be a mirror to LO's server,
> but the same problem prevents that.

If you need some space to store LibreOffice-related content, feel free
to ping the website list, we might be able to help out if it's content
that fits. :)

Florian

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I wonder what it would be like if TDF/LO was given CD/DVD reproduction
equipment - professional system that copies and prints labels of a
master file set.  There range around $1400 - $2500 USD for 50 to 100 DVD
versions.

That would be a great way to get professional copies of the various DVDs
[LO project DVDs] out to the public at the regional events.  The cost
should be less than going to a DVD burn/print service or a
print-on-demand service like Lulu.com.

For anyone who wants to "sell by donation" a LO based DVD, the first
thing is the out of pocket costs.  If you do not use a print-on-demand
service - which is more cost tot the users and less donation potential
to TDF - the "seller" will need to make up a batch of DVDs themselves.  
They either have a DVD printer to print the DVD media labels [some older
HP inkjets and some Epson Artisan inkjet do this], or they need to get
some service to make up the DVDs for them.

Either way, these people have a potentially large out of pocket expense.

For me, I handout my DVD with the labels printed on the media.  I do not
make more than 5 or 10 at a time, since I do not want any older version
left over when the next version of the DVD is ready.  It does not take
much time to burn a DVD and print its label on the media.  IT does not
take much time to print off a "thin movie DVD case" label and an insert
document on how to use the media.  For friends and family, I rarely give
them anything but a hand labeled DVD in a jewel case.  I may give them
the the full "professional" handout, including a brochure, but after
than they get the "cheap" disc.  They do not need something that looks
professional like the businesses, agencies, and government office
workers get from me.

I see that 3.5.6 comes out in August and 3.5.7 comes out in October.  
So, I will be giving out a few DVDs of the 3.5.5 installs till 3.5.6 is
out, and more 3.5.6 than I did with 3.5.5 before 3.5.7 comes out.   I
may not give out any 3.6 line till December or January.


Soon the 3.5.5 NA-DVD, named something like -
LO-3.5.5-1_English-NA-DVD_all-platforms_multi-lang_plus-extras.iso
- will be on the CD/DVD download page along with the German 3.5.5
CD/DVD[s].  The NA-DVD contains 6 non-English language and help packs,
along with en_US and en_GB language and help packs.  The DVD is a
browser based media with its pages in English.  All supported platforms
installs for LO are included, including the portable versions.  Then
almost half of the DVD is given over to the extras that are not part of
the LO package installs.

It is nice to have the ability to download an ISO file for the CD/DVDs
on the download servers.  My service will not allow me to have any file
larger than about 200 MB in their servers, but I have the entire DVD
online for browsing and testing since no "one" file is over the size
limit.  So if you go to - http://libreoffice-na.us/English-3.5-installs/ 
- you get to see the current 3.5 line DVD, which is exactly the same as
the DVD media version but online, since the NA_DVD is a web-page/browser
based system with main page titles of: Info, Install, Module,
Extensions, Templates, Dictionaries, Extras, Documentation, and
Artwork.  The Module page describes the different "modules" of the
package - like Writer and Calc.  Info is the index.html page and is just
a general info about the DVD. The Extras include things like Firefox,
Thunderbird, and some other free packages a open-source user might like.

Between the English NA-DVD and the German LibreOffice-Box DVD, plus
other local/regional projects that currently do not list their CD/DVDs
with TDF/LO download system, I hope we cover a large portion of the
regional markets for having some media that gives new LO users more than
just the basic installs for their regional languages.

I include Hebrew language and help packs in the NA-DVD since I was told
that MSO is not supporting the Hebrew language needs for an Office
package very well.  This came from some local Hebrew community members
and a lady who lives in Israel was was visiting her parents last year
when LO was in the mid 3.3.x line.  They liked the fact that you can use
LO in English, Hebrew, and French for the lady from Israel since she
speaks French as well.  She works/worded in the tourism field and
multi-language ability for LO was a key for her use over MSO.

SO
I hope that having the CD/DVD .iso file on the download page[s] works
out well.  I also hope more regional disc projects would contribute a
version to the download page[s].  The more regional DVD projects listed
there, the better.

Now we just need a good way, and easy way, for users to buy a
professionally made DVD for their use if they do not have the available
bandwidth for downloading the .iso files.  That was what the NA-DVD was
originally created for, along with handing them out to local businesses,
etc..  OOo use to have many listing for purchasing pre-made discs.  It
would be nice to get some regional people/organization to "sell" the DVD
for LO donations to help these low bandwidth users.  I have many friends
and business contacts that cannot download even the install files for
LO, let alone a DVD .iso file.  So we need a way for these people to be
able to order a copy of a regional DVD.

Well, that is enough on that, for now.  I have had over a year to
"study" this "info".

On 07/16/2012 10:22 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote:


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Hi,

webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote on 2012-07-16 18:29:

> I wonder what it would be like if TDF/LO was given CD/DVD reproduction
> equipment - professional system that copies and prints labels of a
> master file set.  There range around $1400 - $2500 USD for 50 to 100 DVD
> versions.

I am not sure if that would help us, since we have no central office,
and even if we had, sending produced items around the globe would cost
time and money. I think it's much better to have them produced on demand
in the various countries, and have funding from TDF where possible. I
have good contact to a distributor of CD/DVD copier robots including
printers, and they also do on-demand production, located in Austria.
Maybe they also have contacts around to other countries.

> That would be a great way to get professional copies of the various DVDs
> [LO project DVDs] out to the public at the regional events.  The cost
> should be less than going to a DVD burn/print service or a
> print-on-demand service like Lulu.com.

In Germany, we have them produced in batches of 500-2.000 pieces. They
look like this: http://www.frodev.org/bilder/libreoffice-box-dvd

I don't recall the exact quote, but I can ask if needed, I guess prices
are similar for most countries.

> For anyone who wants to "sell by donation" a LO based DVD, the first
> thing is the out of pocket costs.  If you do not use a print-on-demand
> service - which is more cost tot the users and less donation potential
> to TDF - the "seller" will need to make up a batch of DVDs themselves.
> They either have a DVD printer to print the DVD media labels [some older
> HP inkjets and some Epson Artisan inkjet do this], or they need to get
> some service to make up the DVDs for them.

Indeed, that's how we do it here in Germany, but that's only possible
due to the German association bankrolling the production. I really hope
we can foster local NGOs to do the same in other countries, and have TDF
stepping in when needed. Dealing with money on a local basis is much
easier, IMHO.

> Either way, these people have a potentially large out of pocket expense.

That's what I definitely want to avoid, nobodey should personally
bankroll any expense like that.

> I see that 3.5.6 comes out in August and 3.5.7 comes out in October. So,
> I will be giving out a few DVDs of the 3.5.5 installs till 3.5.6 is out,
> and more 3.5.6 than I did with 3.5.5 before 3.5.7 comes out.   I may not
> give out any 3.6 line till December or January.

For the German LibreOffice-Box, the plan is indeed to have only some
versions on DVD:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Box_Release-Plan/de

> It is nice to have the ability to download an ISO file for the CD/DVDs
> on the download servers.  My service will not allow me to have any file
> larger than about 200 MB in their servers, but I have the entire DVD
> online for browsing and testing since no "one" file is over the size
> limit.  So if you go to - http://libreoffice-na.us/English-3.5-installs/

Feel free to use the TDF infrastructure when needed, we have plenty of
capacity. :-)

Florian

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