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Hello.

I noticed a strange thing in Windows version of Libre Office. When I print
to printer that is configured with driver "MS Publisher Imagesetter",
sometimes print files are really huge. For testing purpose I used "Print to
file" option.
For example I attached a 13 kilobyte odt file that turns into 48 megabytes
print file. It contains several lines of letters and numbers, and then
broken link to image (copied from web browser).
If I print this document to another printer (with different driver, for
example, HP LaserJet 2050) the size of print jobs is quite reasonable (less
than 1 megabyte).

Is it normal behavior? Have anyone else noticed that?
We met with it when we were trying to understand why printing from Libre
Office takes so much time in RDP terminal session. :) (We had files that
produced even 250 Mb of print data, of course it took much time to send it
to terminal client's printer).

Thanks in advance.

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Hi :)
I thought it was just me not understanding printers and having set-up ours badly in Gnu&Linux but i might have had a similar issue with a Ricoh photocopier.  My company paid 'an expert' for about 2 hours on 2 separate occasions to set-up the Ricoh for Windows.  So, i figured it was just me and our amazing printer. 

Now that i think about it i haven't tried printing from any other program so it could possibly be partly a LO issue. 

Which OS are you using btw?  I would assume Windows but with the rise of mobile platforms that is never certain these days. 
Regards from
Tom :) 






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> From: Anna Martynova <[hidden email]>
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>Sent: Thursday, 20 December 2012, 13:12
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] huge print jobs for MS Publisher Imagesetter printer
>
>Hello.
>
>I noticed a strange thing in Windows version of Libre Office. When I print
>to printer that is configured with driver "MS Publisher Imagesetter",
>sometimes print files are really huge. For testing purpose I used "Print to
>file" option.
>For example I attached a 13 kilobyte odt file that turns into 48 megabytes
>print file. It contains several lines of letters and numbers, and then
>broken link to image (copied from web browser).
>If I print this document to another printer (with different driver, for
>example, HP LaserJet 2050) the size of print jobs is quite reasonable (less
>than 1 megabyte).
>
>Is it normal behavior? Have anyone else noticed that?
>We met with it when we were trying to understand why printing from Libre
>Office takes so much time in RDP terminal session. :) (We had files that
>produced even 250 Mb of print data, of course it took much time to send it
>to terminal client's printer).
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
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Jay Lozier Jay Lozier
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On 12/20/2012 08:12 AM, Anna Martynova wrote:

> Hello.
>
> I noticed a strange thing in Windows version of Libre Office. When I print
> to printer that is configured with driver "MS Publisher Imagesetter",
> sometimes print files are really huge. For testing purpose I used "Print to
> file" option.
> For example I attached a 13 kilobyte odt file that turns into 48 megabytes
> print file. It contains several lines of letters and numbers, and then
> broken link to image (copied from web browser).
> If I print this document to another printer (with different driver, for
> example, HP LaserJet 2050) the size of print jobs is quite reasonable (less
> than 1 megabyte).
>
> Is it normal behavior? Have anyone else noticed that?
> We met with it when we were trying to understand why printing from Libre
> Office takes so much time in RDP terminal session. :) (We had files that
> produced even 250 Mb of print data, of course it took much time to send it
> to terminal client's printer).
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
Anna

What is the default system printer?

MS Publisher is part of the MSO office suite and is available in the
more expensive versions. I have no idea what the MS Publisher
Imagesetter is for unless it is doing something like converting other
MSO formats to MS Publisher format much like various Print to PDF
converters work. If my guess is correct then I am not surprised that it
garbled other file formats.

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On 12/20/2012 09:34 AM, Jay Lozier wrote:

> On 12/20/2012 08:12 AM, Anna Martynova wrote:
>> Hello.
>>
>> I noticed a strange thing in Windows version of Libre Office. When I
>> print
>> to printer that is configured with driver "MS Publisher Imagesetter",
>> sometimes print files are really huge. For testing purpose I used
>> "Print to
>> file" option.
>> For example I attached a 13 kilobyte odt file that turns into 48
>> megabytes
>> print file. It contains several lines of letters and numbers, and then
>> broken link to image (copied from web browser).
>> If I print this document to another printer (with different driver, for
>> example, HP LaserJet 2050) the size of print jobs is quite reasonable
>> (less
>> than 1 megabyte).
>>
>> Is it normal behavior? Have anyone else noticed that?
>> We met with it when we were trying to understand why printing from Libre
>> Office takes so much time in RDP terminal session. :) (We had files that
>> produced even 250 Mb of print data, of course it took much time to
>> send it
>> to terminal client's printer).
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
> Anna
>
> What is the default system printer?
>
> MS Publisher is part of the MSO office suite and is available in the
> more expensive versions. I have no idea what the MS Publisher
> Imagesetter is for unless it is doing something like converting other
> MSO formats to MS Publisher format much like various Print to PDF
> converters work. If my guess is correct then I am not surprised that
> it garbled other file formats.
>


I had a big graphic map of regional railroad lines.  I created a high
res PDF file to be printed on a "plotter" at 3 foot by 4 foot.  It would
not render.  I never did get any large format prints from the
"professional" equipment.  BUT, I took that same file and printed it out
to an inkjet printer and it printed file, thought it took a long time to
do the processing the data to be sent via the USB cable to the inkjet.

Saying that, it could be the massive amount of data that the
"Imagesetter" needs to do its job, vs. what an HP printer [b&w or color]
would need.



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Anna Martynova Anna Martynova
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I reproduced the descripted situation in two different environments:
1) Windows 7 and LibreOffice 3.6.4.3
2) Linux thin client + freerdp.+
terminal server Windows 2008 Enterprise, Libreoffice 3.6.3.2

To be honest, I don't know if the driver "MS Publisher Imagesetter" is a
part of Microsoft Office, but I suppose, that not. Because this driver is
associated by default with printers redirected to RDP terminal session even
when MSO is not installed (and if Easyprint technology is disabled).

2012/12/20 Tom Davies <[hidden email]>

> Hi :)
> I thought it was just me not understanding printers and having set-up ours
> badly in Gnu&Linux but i might have had a similar issue with a Ricoh
> photocopier.  My company paid 'an expert' for about 2 hours on 2 separate
> occasions to set-up the Ricoh for Windows.  So, i figured it was just me
> and our amazing printer.
>
> Now that i think about it i haven't tried printing from any other program
> so it could possibly be partly a LO issue.
>
> Which OS are you using btw?  I would assume Windows but with the rise of
> mobile platforms that is never certain these days.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* Anna Martynova <[hidden email]>
> *To:* [hidden email]
> *Sent:* Thursday, 20 December 2012, 13:12
> *Subject:* [libreoffice-users] huge print jobs for MS Publisher
> Imagesetter printer
>
> Hello.
>
> I noticed a strange thing in Windows version of Libre Office. When I print
> to printer that is configured with driver "MS Publisher Imagesetter",
> sometimes print files are really huge. For testing purpose I used "Print to
> file" option.
> For example I attached a 13 kilobyte odt file that turns into 48 megabytes
> print file. It contains several lines of letters and numbers, and then
> broken link to image (copied from web browser).
> If I print this document to another printer (with different driver, for
> example, HP LaserJet 2050) the size of print jobs is quite reasonable (less
> than 1 megabyte).
>
> Is it normal behavior? Have anyone else noticed that?
> We met with it when we were trying to understand why printing from Libre
> Office takes so much time in RDP terminal session. :) (We had files that
> produced even 250 Mb of print data, of course it took much time to send it
> to terminal client's printer).
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
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On 12/20/2012 05:12 AM, Anna Martynova wrote:
> Hello.
>
> I noticed a strange thing in Windows version of Libre Office. When I print
> to printer that is configured with driver "MS Publisher Imagesetter",
> sometimes print files are really huge. For testing purpose I used "Print to
> file" option.
> For example I attached a 13 kilobyte odt file that turns into 48 megabytes
> print file. It contains several lines of letters and numbers, and then
> broken link to image (copied from web browser).

You can't attach files here. You either need to post them on a site
somewhere, or use Nabble to attach.

As a test I installed "MS Publisher Imagesetter", on a WinXP virtual
machine (on a linux host). I then printed a 13K two page .odt file from
LO Version 3.6.3.2 (Build ID: 58f22d5); the first page is all text, the
second page is an EPS graphic. Printed to "MS Publisher Imagesetter" and
the result is a 107K postscript file that I opened in Ghostscript to
ensure it worked properly.

The PS heading on the print file:

%!PS-Adobe-3.0
%%Title: eps-example
%%Creator: PScript5.dll Version 5.2.2
%%CreationDate: 12/21/2012 17:28:40
%%For: G
%%BoundingBox: (atend)
%%Pages: (atend)
%%Orientation: Portrait
%%PageOrder: Special
%%DocumentNeededResources: (atend)
%%DocumentSuppliedResources: (atend)
%%DocumentData: Clean7Bit
%%TargetDevice: () (52.3) 320
%%LanguageLevel: 1
%%EndComments

%%BeginDefaults
%%PageBoundingBox: 21 54 582 774
%%ViewingOrientation: 1 0 0 1
%%EndDefaults

> If I print this document to another printer (with different driver, for
> example, HP LaserJet 2050) the size of print jobs is quite reasonable (less
> than 1 megabyte).

I suspect that you have an issue with the MSPI driver. You might want to
install a second one and see if it acts the same.
>
> Is it normal behavior? Have anyone else noticed that?
> We met with it when we were trying to understand why printing from Libre
> Office takes so much time in RDP terminal session. :) (We had files that
> produced even 250 Mb of print data, of course it took much time to send it
> to terminal client's printer).

If you'd like to send me your file directly, I'll see if I can recreate
the problem.

>
> Thanks in advance.
>



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Anna Martynova Anna Martynova
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Please excuse me for long delay.
I've uploaded my test file to dropbox:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/80139861/test.odt

> I suspect that you have an issue with the MSPI driver. You might want to
> install a second one and see if it acts the same.

I reproduced the same situation (huge file) on 2 different Windows
computers.

2012/12/22 NoOp <[hidden email]>

> On 12/20/2012 05:12 AM, Anna Martynova wrote:
> > Hello.
> >
> > I noticed a strange thing in Windows version of Libre Office. When I
> print
> > to printer that is configured with driver "MS Publisher Imagesetter",
> > sometimes print files are really huge. For testing purpose I used "Print
> to
> > file" option.
> > For example I attached a 13 kilobyte odt file that turns into 48
> megabytes
> > print file. It contains several lines of letters and numbers, and then
> > broken link to image (copied from web browser).
>
> You can't attach files here. You either need to post them on a site
> somewhere, or use Nabble to attach.
>
> As a test I installed "MS Publisher Imagesetter", on a WinXP virtual
> machine (on a linux host). I then printed a 13K two page .odt file from
> LO Version 3.6.3.2 (Build ID: 58f22d5); the first page is all text, the
> second page is an EPS graphic. Printed to "MS Publisher Imagesetter" and
> the result is a 107K postscript file that I opened in Ghostscript to
> ensure it worked properly.
>
> The PS heading on the print file:
>
> %!PS-Adobe-3.0
> %%Title: eps-example
> %%Creator: PScript5.dll Version 5.2.2
> %%CreationDate: 12/21/2012 17:28:40
> %%For: G
> %%BoundingBox: (atend)
> %%Pages: (atend)
> %%Orientation: Portrait
> %%PageOrder: Special
> %%DocumentNeededResources: (atend)
> %%DocumentSuppliedResources: (atend)
> %%DocumentData: Clean7Bit
> %%TargetDevice: () (52.3) 320
> %%LanguageLevel: 1
> %%EndComments
>
> %%BeginDefaults
> %%PageBoundingBox: 21 54 582 774
> %%ViewingOrientation: 1 0 0 1
> %%EndDefaults
>
> > If I print this document to another printer (with different driver, for
> > example, HP LaserJet 2050) the size of print jobs is quite reasonable
> (less
> > than 1 megabyte).
>
> I suspect that you have an issue with the MSPI driver. You might want to
> install a second one and see if it acts the same.
> >
> > Is it normal behavior? Have anyone else noticed that?
> > We met with it when we were trying to understand why printing from Libre
> > Office takes so much time in RDP terminal session. :) (We had files that
> > produced even 250 Mb of print data, of course it took much time to send
> it
> > to terminal client's printer).
>
> If you'd like to send me your file directly, I'll see if I can recreate
> the problem.
>
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
>
>
>
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On 12/27/2012 01:06 AM, Anna Martynova wrote:
> Please excuse me for long delay.
> I've uploaded my test file to dropbox:
> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/80139861/test.odt

I can replicate with the MSPI driver using your file with both LO (3.5
and 3.6) and AOO (3.4). However, if I use the generic Adobe Postscript
driver on Windows, and CUPS on linux, I do not have an issue. So, again,
it appears to be the MSPI driver.

The link (http://www.itar-tass.com/c95/606073.html) is valid - but
refers to a broken jpg reference[1] included and that is most likely the
problem. I'd need to spend some time comparing the xml files to figure
out the difference.

[1]
data:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wBDAAgGBgcGBQgHBwcJCQgKDBQNDAsLDBkSEw8UHRofHh0aHBwgJC4nICIsIxwcKDcpLDAxNDQ0Hyc5PTgyPC4zNDL/2wBDAQkJCQwLDBgNDRgyIRwhMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjL
[snip]


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