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[libreoffice-accessibility] About to Download LO5.1

I just discovered that 5.1 is out and am planning to download it today.
I have not had as much as time as I would have liked to perform any
accessibility testing with this latest version. therefore, I'm just
curious as to whether there are any accessibility issues in 5.1 that are
not in the 5.0 branch. I use NVDA 2015.4 and Window-Eyes 9.3.

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@David,

The 5.1.0.3rc is solid. No "new" accessibility issues we're aware of. But you know the drill... please file reproducible issues to our bugzilla:

https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/

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hi.
i tested libreoffice 5.1 and saw difference in accessibility.
for example: in previous versions, when i wanted to navigate word by
word using control left and control right, when there was a
punctuation nvda first says the page number and blank.
but in 5.1 when i there is a punctuation, nvda does not announce page number.
instead, says the punctuation and then blank.
for example: says kama blank or question blank and other punctuation marks.
hope that be useful for you and help you.

On 2/12/16, V Stuart Foote <[hidden email]> wrote:

> @David,
>
> The 5.1.0.3rc is solid. No "new" accessibility issues we're aware of. But
> you know the drill... please file reproducible issues to our bugzilla:
>
> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/
>
> Stuart
>
>
>
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Hi.
Well, I just installed LO 5.1. Machine is running Windows 10 Pro, 64-bit
with 8 GB of RAM. I have two screen readers installed: NVDA 2016.1 and
Window-Eyes 9.3.
First, I never had the experience of having NVDA reading a page number
when navigating word by word across a punctuation symbol and I honestly
would not want this information in that particular situation. The only
time I would want NVDA to read page numbers when moving word by word is
if I cross a page boundary, such as moving from page 1 to page 2, and in
that case the information would be useful.
In fact, when pressing ctrl-enter to create a new page, NVDA does
correctly report when crossing over to a new page if "report pages" is
enabled in the document settings dialog.

On 2/27/2016 3:52 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:

> hi.
> i tested libreoffice 5.1 and saw difference in accessibility.
> for example: in previous versions, when i wanted to navigate word by
> word using control left and control right, when there was a
> punctuation nvda first says the page number and blank.
> but in 5.1 when i there is a punctuation, nvda does not announce page number.
> instead, says the punctuation and then blank.
> for example: says kama blank or question blank and other punctuation marks.
> hope that be useful for you and help you.
>
> On 2/12/16, V Stuart Foote <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> @David,
>>
>> The 5.1.0.3rc is solid. No "new" accessibility issues we're aware of. But
>> you know the drill... please file reproducible issues to our bugzilla:
>>
>> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice-accessibility-About-to-Download-LO5-1-tp4175358p4175360.html
>> Sent from the Accessibility mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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hi
i dont have any information about other screen readers. because i use
only nvda.
i only mentioned my experience.
for me NVDA reading a page number when navigating word by word across
a punctuation symbol in all versions before version 5.1 and i dont
know the reason.
yes. saying page number in document formatting is enabled for me and i
agree too.
i want to hear page number when i move from a page to another page,
not across punctuations and i appreciate you if you help me to find a
solution.
did you try previous versions of nvda and also libreoffice?
i use windows xp nvda 2015.3 two gb ram with libreoffice 5.0.5 and
sometimes other versions before version 5.1.
my locale in my system and libreoffice both is fa_ir
i did not install java and java access briedge.


On 2/28/16, David Goldfield <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi.
> Well, I just installed LO 5.1. Machine is running Windows 10 Pro, 64-bit
> with 8 GB of RAM. I have two screen readers installed: NVDA 2016.1 and
> Window-Eyes 9.3.
> First, I never had the experience of having NVDA reading a page number
> when navigating word by word across a punctuation symbol and I honestly
> would not want this information in that particular situation. The only
> time I would want NVDA to read page numbers when moving word by word is
> if I cross a page boundary, such as moving from page 1 to page 2, and in
> that case the information would be useful.
> In fact, when pressing ctrl-enter to create a new page, NVDA does
> correctly report when crossing over to a new page if "report pages" is
> enabled in the document settings dialog.
>
> On 2/27/2016 3:52 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>> hi.
>> i tested libreoffice 5.1 and saw difference in accessibility.
>> for example: in previous versions, when i wanted to navigate word by
>> word using control left and control right, when there was a
>> punctuation nvda first says the page number and blank.
>> but in 5.1 when i there is a punctuation, nvda does not announce page
>> number.
>> instead, says the punctuation and then blank.
>> for example: says kama blank or question blank and other punctuation
>> marks.
>> hope that be useful for you and help you.
>>
>> On 2/12/16, V Stuart Foote <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> @David,
>>>
>>> The 5.1.0.3rc is solid. No "new" accessibility issues we're aware of.
>>> But
>>> you know the drill... please file reproducible issues to our bugzilla:
>>>
>>> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/
>>>
>>> Stuart
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> View this message in context:
>>> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice-accessibility-About-to-Download-LO5-1-tp4175358p4175360.html
>>> Sent from the Accessibility mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>
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Hmm. So, are you saying that, with version 5.0 or earlier, you are
actually hearing page numbers being spoken as you move across a
punctuation boundary when moving word by word.
I have not seen this behavior in earlier versions but perhaps it might
be worth installing 5.1 to see if the issue goes away.


On 2/28/2016 3:08 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:

> hi
> i dont have any information about other screen readers. because i use
> only nvda.
> i only mentioned my experience.
> for me NVDA reading a page number when navigating word by word across
> a punctuation symbol in all versions before version 5.1 and i dont
> know the reason.
> yes. saying page number in document formatting is enabled for me and i
> agree too.
> i want to hear page number when i move from a page to another page,
> not across punctuations and i appreciate you if you help me to find a
> solution.
> did you try previous versions of nvda and also libreoffice?
> i use windows xp nvda 2015.3 two gb ram with libreoffice 5.0.5 and
> sometimes other versions before version 5.1.
> my locale in my system and libreoffice both is fa_ir
> i did not install java and java access briedge.
>
>
> On 2/28/16, David Goldfield <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hi.
>> Well, I just installed LO 5.1. Machine is running Windows 10 Pro, 64-bit
>> with 8 GB of RAM. I have two screen readers installed: NVDA 2016.1 and
>> Window-Eyes 9.3.
>> First, I never had the experience of having NVDA reading a page number
>> when navigating word by word across a punctuation symbol and I honestly
>> would not want this information in that particular situation. The only
>> time I would want NVDA to read page numbers when moving word by word is
>> if I cross a page boundary, such as moving from page 1 to page 2, and in
>> that case the information would be useful.
>> In fact, when pressing ctrl-enter to create a new page, NVDA does
>> correctly report when crossing over to a new page if "report pages" is
>> enabled in the document settings dialog.
>>
>> On 2/27/2016 3:52 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>>> hi.
>>> i tested libreoffice 5.1 and saw difference in accessibility.
>>> for example: in previous versions, when i wanted to navigate word by
>>> word using control left and control right, when there was a
>>> punctuation nvda first says the page number and blank.
>>> but in 5.1 when i there is a punctuation, nvda does not announce page
>>> number.
>>> instead, says the punctuation and then blank.
>>> for example: says kama blank or question blank and other punctuation
>>> marks.
>>> hope that be useful for you and help you.
>>>
>>> On 2/12/16, V Stuart Foote <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> @David,
>>>>
>>>> The 5.1.0.3rc is solid. No "new" accessibility issues we're aware of.
>>>> But
>>>> you know the drill... please file reproducible issues to our bugzilla:
>>>>
>>>> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/
>>>>
>>>> Stuart
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> View this message in context:
>>>> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice-accessibility-About-to-Download-LO5-1-tp4175358p4175360.html
>>>> Sent from the Accessibility mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>
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>>>>
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yes. exactly.
in the versions before 5.0.5, when i move and across punctuation, nvda
announces page number for me.
but it does not happen in 5.1.0

On 2/29/16, David Goldfield <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hmm. So, are you saying that, with version 5.0 or earlier, you are
> actually hearing page numbers being spoken as you move across a
> punctuation boundary when moving word by word.
> I have not seen this behavior in earlier versions but perhaps it might
> be worth installing 5.1 to see if the issue goes away.
>
>
> On 2/28/2016 3:08 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>> hi
>> i dont have any information about other screen readers. because i use
>> only nvda.
>> i only mentioned my experience.
>> for me NVDA reading a page number when navigating word by word across
>> a punctuation symbol in all versions before version 5.1 and i dont
>> know the reason.
>> yes. saying page number in document formatting is enabled for me and i
>> agree too.
>> i want to hear page number when i move from a page to another page,
>> not across punctuations and i appreciate you if you help me to find a
>> solution.
>> did you try previous versions of nvda and also libreoffice?
>> i use windows xp nvda 2015.3 two gb ram with libreoffice 5.0.5 and
>> sometimes other versions before version 5.1.
>> my locale in my system and libreoffice both is fa_ir
>> i did not install java and java access briedge.
>>
>>
>> On 2/28/16, David Goldfield <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>> Well, I just installed LO 5.1. Machine is running Windows 10 Pro, 64-bit
>>> with 8 GB of RAM. I have two screen readers installed: NVDA 2016.1 and
>>> Window-Eyes 9.3.
>>> First, I never had the experience of having NVDA reading a page number
>>> when navigating word by word across a punctuation symbol and I honestly
>>> would not want this information in that particular situation. The only
>>> time I would want NVDA to read page numbers when moving word by word is
>>> if I cross a page boundary, such as moving from page 1 to page 2, and in
>>> that case the information would be useful.
>>> In fact, when pressing ctrl-enter to create a new page, NVDA does
>>> correctly report when crossing over to a new page if "report pages" is
>>> enabled in the document settings dialog.
>>>
>>> On 2/27/2016 3:52 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>>>> hi.
>>>> i tested libreoffice 5.1 and saw difference in accessibility.
>>>> for example: in previous versions, when i wanted to navigate word by
>>>> word using control left and control right, when there was a
>>>> punctuation nvda first says the page number and blank.
>>>> but in 5.1 when i there is a punctuation, nvda does not announce page
>>>> number.
>>>> instead, says the punctuation and then blank.
>>>> for example: says kama blank or question blank and other punctuation
>>>> marks.
>>>> hope that be useful for you and help you.
>>>>
>>>> On 2/12/16, V Stuart Foote <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>> @David,
>>>>>
>>>>> The 5.1.0.3rc is solid. No "new" accessibility issues we're aware of.
>>>>> But
>>>>> you know the drill... please file reproducible issues to our bugzilla:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/
>>>>>
>>>>> Stuart
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice-accessibility-About-to-Download-LO5-1-tp4175358p4175360.html
>>>>> Sent from the Accessibility mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>
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>>>>> deleted
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>


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excuse me.
i mean that in all versions before 5.1 nvda announces page number when
across punctuation moving word by word by using control left and
right.

On 3/1/16, nasrin khaksar <[hidden email]> wrote:

> yes. exactly.
> in the versions before 5.0.5, when i move and across punctuation, nvda
> announces page number for me.
> but it does not happen in 5.1.0
>
> On 2/29/16, David Goldfield <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hmm. So, are you saying that, with version 5.0 or earlier, you are
>> actually hearing page numbers being spoken as you move across a
>> punctuation boundary when moving word by word.
>> I have not seen this behavior in earlier versions but perhaps it might
>> be worth installing 5.1 to see if the issue goes away.
>>
>>
>> On 2/28/2016 3:08 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>>> hi
>>> i dont have any information about other screen readers. because i use
>>> only nvda.
>>> i only mentioned my experience.
>>> for me NVDA reading a page number when navigating word by word across
>>> a punctuation symbol in all versions before version 5.1 and i dont
>>> know the reason.
>>> yes. saying page number in document formatting is enabled for me and i
>>> agree too.
>>> i want to hear page number when i move from a page to another page,
>>> not across punctuations and i appreciate you if you help me to find a
>>> solution.
>>> did you try previous versions of nvda and also libreoffice?
>>> i use windows xp nvda 2015.3 two gb ram with libreoffice 5.0.5 and
>>> sometimes other versions before version 5.1.
>>> my locale in my system and libreoffice both is fa_ir
>>> i did not install java and java access briedge.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/28/16, David Goldfield <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> Hi.
>>>> Well, I just installed LO 5.1. Machine is running Windows 10 Pro,
>>>> 64-bit
>>>> with 8 GB of RAM. I have two screen readers installed: NVDA 2016.1 and
>>>> Window-Eyes 9.3.
>>>> First, I never had the experience of having NVDA reading a page number
>>>> when navigating word by word across a punctuation symbol and I honestly
>>>> would not want this information in that particular situation. The only
>>>> time I would want NVDA to read page numbers when moving word by word is
>>>> if I cross a page boundary, such as moving from page 1 to page 2, and
>>>> in
>>>> that case the information would be useful.
>>>> In fact, when pressing ctrl-enter to create a new page, NVDA does
>>>> correctly report when crossing over to a new page if "report pages" is
>>>> enabled in the document settings dialog.
>>>>
>>>> On 2/27/2016 3:52 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>>>>> hi.
>>>>> i tested libreoffice 5.1 and saw difference in accessibility.
>>>>> for example: in previous versions, when i wanted to navigate word by
>>>>> word using control left and control right, when there was a
>>>>> punctuation nvda first says the page number and blank.
>>>>> but in 5.1 when i there is a punctuation, nvda does not announce page
>>>>> number.
>>>>> instead, says the punctuation and then blank.
>>>>> for example: says kama blank or question blank and other punctuation
>>>>> marks.
>>>>> hope that be useful for you and help you.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/12/16, V Stuart Foote <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>>>> @David,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The 5.1.0.3rc is solid. No "new" accessibility issues we're aware of.
>>>>>> But
>>>>>> you know the drill... please file reproducible issues to our
>>>>>> bugzilla:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stuart
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> View this message in context:
>>>>>> http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice-accessibility-About-to-Download-LO5-1-tp4175358p4175360.html
>>>>>> Sent from the Accessibility mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> deleted
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>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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> and a healing for what is in the breasts and a guidance and a mercy
> for the believers.
> Say: In the grace of Allah and in His mercy-- in that they should
> rejoice; it is better than that which they gather.
> holy quran, chapter 10 verses 57 and 58.
>
> please visit al-islam.org
>


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for the believers.
Say: In the grace of Allah and in His mercy-- in that they should
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holy quran, chapter 10 verses 57 and 58.

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