one language in the installer libre office

polish text:

dla wszystkich byłoby lepiej, jakby był jeden język i słownik w
instalatorze, aby był mniejszy, żeby za każdym razem ściągać po 200 mb,
tylko po 135 mb. proszę mnie popierać w tej sprawie, z góry dzięki.

english text:

for all would be better if it were a language and a dictionary in the
installer to be smaller, so that every time download of 200 mb, 135 mb
only. Please support me in this matter, thanks in advance.

--
Łukasz "Pikaczu" Janik
GG: 1453844

Pozdrawiam


--
For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: [hidden email]
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Hi Lukasz

Łukasz Janik wrote

for all would be better if it were a language and a dictionary in the
installer to be smaller, so that every time download of 200 mb, 135 mb
only. Please support me in this matter, thanks in advance.

This was discussed before back in November 2010 (when LibreOffice started distributing the first betas)

At the time it was argued that due to the reduced number of mirrors and disk space allocated for this project, it would be better initially to have a single installer instead of a localized installer for each language supported. This means that for each version you had a 200Mb installer instead over 100 (example) localized 150Mb installers which would take 15 Gb.

The main problem is that removing all the extra languages only saves you some 50Mb. Is this worth the trouble?

Regards,
Pedro

On 01/24/2012 08:05 AM, Pedro wrote: It would be nice to have [Windows] LO install not install ALL of the
dictionaries possible as the default.  If you are asked to choose the
languages, by default, you want to install - that would make me happy.

Of you could do like Linux does, have the default install and then
download the other language packs you need beyond the initial install
file.  Would that make it smaller, or at least it would make all the
platforms use "similar" installs - main English install, plus an
additional install for each language and help packs.  Right now, if you
have one platform install all of the possible language packs included in
the default package, then all platforms should do the same.

I use Linux by default, but I use Windows as well for some systems.  It
would be nice if LO was more consistent on what is needed to be download
and installed between the platforms.  You will need to download the same
number of files and then install them via that platform's install
method.  The KEY is you download the same number of file no matter which
platform you use.

--
For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: [hidden email]
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

W dniu 24.01.2012 09:57, Łukasz Janik pisze:polish
      text:dla wszystkich byłoby lepiej, jakby był jeden język i słownik w
      instalatorze, aby był mniejszy, żeby za każdym razem ściągać po
      200 mb, tylko po 135 mb. proszę mnie popierać w tej sprawie, z
      góry dzięki.Wbrew pozorom nie praktyczne.english text:for all would be better if it were a language and a dictionary in
      the installer to be smaller, so that every time download of 200
      mb, 135 mb only. Please support me in this matter, thanks in
      advance.This is good the only in first sight and the only if someone works
    in the only one language.  The language on system on the computer is
    the same as the language in created documents.For eg. if you spend time in multilanguage enviroment (like me) is a
    lot of easier to install - one file for everyone.  Maybe if someone
    who uses mobile-internet to download additional 70MB makes higher
    payment, but it any other situation, using internet from any cable
    access should not be problem.--Mieszko KaczmarczykAdministrator ITWetzel Sp. z o.o.Duchnów, ul. Kresowa 805-462 WiązownaPhone:  +48 22 780-20-00 ext.219Direct: +48 22 780-20-19Fax:    +48 22 780-20-03Kapitał zakładowy: 600.000,00 zł.Sąd Rejonowy dla M.ST. Warszawy w Warszawie, XXI Wydział
              Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru SądowegoNIP:   951-00-43-131Regon: 010799082KRS:   0000058229Zarząd Spółki:
              Prezes Zarządu - Ewa Dzwonkowska, Członek Zarządu - Detlev
              LiebschwagerPart of the WETZEL PROCESSING GROUP: Group Management -
              Martin Hellweg, Detlev Liebschwager, Aglaia Lüthy
Save a tree - only print this message if it's absolutely
          necessary!




--
For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: [hidden email]
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

HI :)
Ahhh, it would be great if Windows had an official package manager that could look after all the apps, not just the MS ones and could make sure everything on the system got updated instead of just patches for Window's own security flaws.  Something that could help people pick and choose the packages that got installed for a program so that you could tell it what to install and then walk away with no need to hand-hold it answering questions all the way through and with each program having it's own different 'style'.  Hmm, but then it would look a lot less like Windows and might even be a little safer which would be a nightmare for all those antivirus companies.
Regards from
Tom :)

--- On Tue, 24/1/12, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productions <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: one language in the installer libre office
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, 24 January, 2012, 16:16

On 01/24/2012 08:05 AM, Pedro wrote: It would be nice to have [Windows] LO install not install ALL of the dictionaries possible as the default.  If you are asked to choose the languages, by default, you want to install - that would make me happy.

Of you could do like Linux does, have the default install and then download the other language packs you need beyond the initial install file.  Would that make it smaller, or at least it would make all the platforms use "similar" installs - main English install, plus an additional install for each language and help packs.  Right now, if you have one platform install all of the possible language packs included in the default package, then all platforms should do the same.

I use Linux by default, but I use Windows as well for some systems.  It would be nice if LO was more consistent on what is needed to be download and installed between the platforms.  You will need to download the same number of files and then install them via that platform's install method.  The KEY is you download the same number of file no matter which platform you use.

-- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: [hidden email]
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

--
For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: [hidden email]
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

On 01/24/2012 11:51 AM, Mieszko Kaczmarczyk wrote: I understand your concerns and they are valid; I think the bandwidth can
be the bigger problem for users. Correctly selecting the default
language, I believe, is fairly straightforward. There are two problems I
see, one is available server space for storing the exe's. The second is
how to make sure the proper files are downloaded and installed. If you
have a separate installer for each language, someone has to produce each
installer. Updates and patches would be more difficult to roll out, each
installer would need updating. If you have separate downloads you now
need a method to ensure the correct language pack(s) are downloaded,
similar to a Linux repository. The major issue to me is time, someone
has to actually do the work and maintain the release(s) or in the case
of a "Windows repository" set it up and make sure the installer works
correctly - I suspect it would need revision for this idea.

Also, another issue is the varying computer literacy levels of our
users. Whatever method is used must not require more than minimal
knowledge from the user.

--
Jay Lozier
[hidden email]


--
For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: [hidden email]
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

On 2012-01-24 8:05 AM, Pedro <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> for all would be better if it were a language and a dictionary in the
>> installer to be smaller, so that every time download of 200 mb, 135 mb
>> only. Please support me in this matter, thanks in advance.

What I had suggested once before was something that would solve *both*
problems...

It should be fairly simple for a competent programmer (which I'm not, or
I'd contribute something myself)...

1. Break the primary installer into the main installer, and the
different language packs (isn't this already done for the linux version?
If so, it would only need to be done for the Windows version, which, in
the long run, would simplify things in itself)

2. For the download page, let the auto-detect code work the same way,
but add the ability to detect the language as well

3. Make the default suggested installer the platform and language
version that is detected

4. Provide a way for the one downloading the software to choose a
different primary and/or*additional* languages if desired

5. When the user clicks 'Download', a script *generates* the desired
installer *on the fly* by simply combining the primary install package
and the selected languages into a single install package.

I would think this would be pretty easy for windows, but maybe more
complex for linux because of all the different package managers out there...

Anyway, that is what *I* would do if I were King... ;)

--
For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: [hidden email]
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

On 2012-01-24 1:46 PM, Tom Davies <[hidden email]> wrote:
It would also be nice if Linux would migrate to a universal one size
fits all package manager that did everything on your wish list for a
windows package manager.

Tom, please keep your stupid anti-microsoft rants to yourself.

--
For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: [hidden email]
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

On 01/25/2012 07:42 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: There are a lot of issues that MS has to deal with that make it "easier"
to use and install "certain" software packages.  Linux may have new and
different ways of doing things that what people have done for years with
MS desktops, but it does not mean that one is better than the other.  
Each has its good points and its bad points.  Now with MS going the way
with its desktop interface with Win 8, like Ubuntu did going from GNOME
2.x to Unity, there will be much to deal with then.  For now, most
people prefer Windows over Linux for its ease of use.  Win 8 will change
that opinion for many users.

So yes, the installer for MS Windows would be much better if it was
broken down to installer file and language/help pack files, like Linux
is currently doing.

NO, Windows is not better than Linux and Linux is not better than
Windows, as it currently stands.  We all have our own opinions which is
the better one, but it does not need to be discusses on this list.

The real issue is the way LO treats the different platforms with one not
needing language packs while the other one does.  That should not be.  
It should be the same with all the platforms, download the installer
file and download the language and help packs that are needed beyond the
basic English ones in the install file.  If you do it for Linux and Mac,
you should do the same for Windows.  It is only fair, is it not?

Also, with the reworking of parts of LO so it would work properly with
Unity, the developers will/may need to do the same with Win 8's tablet
style of interface on their Win 8 desktops and laptops.  Some articles
are stating that people may move over to Linux [with not Unity style of
desktop environment] once Win 8 comes out.  So we will need to help
these Windows users with their needs, and not rant and rave about how
bad Windows is/was.  We need to help them move over to LO from MSO and
help anyone who moved from Windows to Linux with their issues and needs
with dealing with LO in the Linux desktop environments.

I use Ubuntu for my desktop since early 2010.  I still use Windows for
some systems though.  I like the way Linux has everything you may need
for software packages without needing to pay all that blood-money for
doing your needed work.  They should charge for their work, but not
prices that seen to be made to suck as much blood-money as possible from
its users.  Now Linux has issues with drivers for the most up-to-date
devices, since volunteers have to buy the devices and write the drivers
for them, instead of the device developers writing one for Linux.  
Although there are other issues that make Linux not the best for many
users, it is still a vital platform of many.  Each has its good and bad
issues.  Neither it a "perfect" platform.  So let us stop the "my
platform is better than yours" issues here.  It is hard enough for LO
users to get the Windows people to use a free package like LO over
paying for MSO on their Windows systems.  There is where we need to
target Windows users, not their use of Windows over Linux platforms.  We
need to get users to switch to LO, not try to convince them to switch to
Linux.  This is the real need.  This is what we need to keep our
energies focused on.  LO is free and is just as good, or better, than
MSO.  We need to prove it to its users.





--
For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: [hidden email]
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

Hi :)
If something is really easy to implement in one OS but difficult or impossible in another then  i think that it would be dumb to hold it back in the one and criticise the devs for not implementing it in the other.  If we play to the weaknesses of all the OSes to ensure that LO appears the same on all OSes then it's going to be pretty bad in all. 

I wasn't having a rant although i realise that you could choose to read it that way. 
Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Wed, 25/1/12, webmaster for Kracked Press Productions <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: webmaster for Kracked Press Productions <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: one language in the installer libre office
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, 25 January, 2012, 15:19

On 01/25/2012 07:42 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: There are a lot of issues that MS has to deal with that make it "easier" to use and install "certain" software packages.  Linux may have new and different ways of doing things that what people have done for years with MS desktops, but it does not mean that one is better than the other.  Each has its good points and its bad points.  Now with MS going the way with its desktop interface with Win 8, like Ubuntu did going from GNOME 2.x to Unity, there will be much to deal with then.  For now, most people prefer Windows over Linux for its ease of use.  Win 8 will change that opinion for many users.

So yes, the installer for MS Windows would be much better if it was broken down to installer file and language/help pack files, like Linux is currently doing.

NO, Windows is not better than Linux and Linux is not better than Windows, as it currently stands.  We all have our own opinions which is the better one, but it does not need to be discusses on this list.

The real issue is the way LO treats the different platforms with one not needing language packs while the other one does.  That should not be.  It should be the same with all the platforms, download the installer file and download the language and help packs that are needed beyond the basic English ones in the install file.  If you do it for Linux and Mac, you should do the same for Windows.  It is only fair, is it not?

Also, with the reworking of parts of LO so it would work properly with Unity, the developers will/may need to do the same with Win 8's tablet style of interface on their Win 8 desktops and laptops.  Some articles are stating that people may move over to Linux [with not Unity style of desktop environment] once Win 8 comes out.  So we will need to help these Windows users with their needs, and not rant and rave about how bad Windows is/was.  We need to help them move over to LO from MSO and help anyone who moved from Windows to Linux with their issues and needs with dealing with LO in the Linux desktop environments.

I use Ubuntu for my desktop since early 2010.  I still use Windows for some systems though.  I like the way Linux has everything you may need for software packages without needing to pay all that blood-money for doing your needed work.  They should charge for their work, but not prices that seen to be made to suck as much blood-money as possible from its users.  Now Linux has issues with drivers for the most up-to-date devices, since volunteers have to buy the devices and write the drivers for them, instead of the device developers writing one for Linux.  Although there are other issues that make Linux not the best for many users, it is still a vital platform of many.  Each has its good and bad issues.  Neither it a "perfect" platform.  So let us stop the "my platform is better than yours" issues here.  It is hard enough for LO users to get the Windows people to use a free package like LO over paying for MSO on their Windows systems.  There is
 where we need to target Windows users, not their use of Windows over Linux platforms.  We need to get users to switch to LO, not try to convince them to switch to Linux.  This is the real need.  This is what we need to keep our energies focused on.  LO is free and is just as good, or better, than MSO.  We need to prove it to its users.





-- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: [hidden email]
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

--
For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: [hidden email]
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted

On 2012-01-25 8:08 PM, Tom Davies <[hidden email]> wrote:
> If something is really easy to implement in one OS but difficult or
> impossible in another then  i think that it would be dumb to hold it
> back in the one and criticise the devs for not implementing it in the
> other.  If we play to the weaknesses of all the OSes to ensure that
> LO appears the same on all OSes then it's going to be pretty bad in
> all.

This *ass-u-me-s* that this would be difficult to do in Windows, which
no one has even *claimed*, let alone substantiated.

Tom, again, please *stop* spreading FUD - it only makes you look bad
(well, only makes you look *worse*, which I admit is kind of hard to do)...

--
For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: [hidden email]
Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/
Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette
List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/
All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted