questions about the status bar

Hello
im taking all this from
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Writer_Status_Bar_Remaking

*For writer*
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/1/1e/New-libreoffice-writer-statusbar-v1.png

what is the digital signature.

why do we have the document modification. why not put it in the title bar
with a " * " like most programs do now days.

insert/selection mode... is there any other mode that you could be in under
these sections? my insertion mode is set to insert and the selection mode
is set to select... do we really need this section in the status bar at
all? if it was just the mode section it would make seance because you could
also be in insert mode, selection mode, view mode, possibly some other
mode.

Language... why do we need to tell people what language they are in. there
has never been a moment in my life where I had forgotten what language I
speak and read. i guess this could be useful for people who speak
different languages, but then again it does not take that long to recognize
that the words on the screen are not English. when I see Spanish, German,
or Swedish I do not wander if it is English. now I would not see the
difference between German and Swedish, but I could see that it
is definitely not English. so why is it even there?

page style is useful now. but if we implement Mirek's UI the user will know
what style they are using at the time because it seas it in the tool bar.
so if that point comes then will we still need to tell users what style
they are using in the status bar.

this just leaves page view, zoom/slider, page number, and section.

 I never change the page view but we get a lot of emails about it so I
don't know whether or not to keep it. I say scrap it and put it under the
view menu.

zoom/slider is fine.

page number and section should be side by side.

the only thing that people are always complaining about is that there is
not word count. I like in Mirek's UI you can click on the page/word count
and a popup shows you a lot of different stats about the document (e.g.
pages, paragraphs, lines, words, characters with/with out spaces, images,
tables, charts, OLE objects[I would like pages without pictures/tables/ole
objects, and sections]).

*For draw/impress*
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/3/33/Current_LO_draw_impress_status_bar.png

object description. is this a description like "shape" or "line". if so do
we need this.

pointer/object position/dimensions is  a must have.

 document modification/digital signature see above.

page/slide number. see above

slide design is like the style. do we need it?

*For Calc*
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/9/9c/Current_LO_calc_status_bar.png


sheet number, Yes.

page style, insert mode, selection mode, document modification,
digital signature see above.

Standard formula, Time/Date, Error warning I guess could be useful.

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Þann sun 15.apr 2012 20:38, skrifaði Andrew Pullins:
> Hello
> im taking all this from
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Writer_Status_Bar_Remaking
-------------------
Imagine this (a real-life example):

A french professional translator works in Moscow; editing
documents with sections in various languages and alphabets
ranging from Ukrainian and Russian to Dutch and French,
using his good'ol French keyboard in an Russian OS, having
LibreOffice UI alternatively in French and English.

In a case like this you'd really appreciate see right away
which language you're editing (after disruption by phone or
whatever).

Such a person is also a likely candidate to beg for a nice
word/character/line count.

Regards,
Sveinn í Felli


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WOW,

if that is a a normal situation over there then yall is crazy. no I had a
feeling that someone would say something like that but I wrote it anyway. I
can see how having the language would be good for some. do you have any
comments on anything else.

cheers,
Andrew


On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Sveinn í Felli <[hidden email]> wrote:

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I really think you should keep it as simple as possible,
set only page, words, language and zoom by default
on the status bar and put all other possibly useful
things under view, to give the status bar the possibility
to expand it and make more useful for your specific needs.

Note: The above is for writer, the same goes to setting only
the most basic, most used tools by default on other programs.

Language... why do we need to tell people what language they are in. there
has never been a moment in my life where I had forgotten what language I
speak and read. i guess this could be useful for people who speak
different languages, but then again it does not take that long to recognize
that the words on the screen are not English. when I see Spanish, German,
or Swedish I do not wander if it is English. now I would not see the
difference between German and Swedish, but I could see that it
is definitely not English. so why is it even there?

I use it sometimes, it's useful when you are translating or creating a
document in multiple languages (like instruction manuals) it sets the
auto-correct to the language you are currently using, which is useful.
It might not be used by most users who just have it in the language
they always use, i guess you could also hide it, but i think the status
bar would look a bit empty without it.

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Hello

I use it sometimes, it's useful when you are translating or creating a
> document in multiple languages (like instruction manuals) it sets the
> auto-correct to the language you are currently using, which is useful.
> It might not be used by most users who just have it in the language
> they always use, i guess you could also hide it, but i think the status
> bar would look a bit empty without it.


I think that its too cluttered with things that are do not need to be
there. not sure what the document signature is. document notification
should be shown in the title of the document with an " * ".

I just played with the insertion mode and selection mode. I now understand
what insertion its referring to. you know the mode that replaces the text
in front of the insertion point (the blinking line behind the text). If you
click on this it will change. does anyone even use this mode any more.

if you click on the selection mode it changes... well the selection mode.
STD is standard mode. EXT seems to make it so that you can not select text,
which I do not know why anyone would want to not be able to select text.
ADD will allow you to select another section of text, just like holding
control and selecting more text. and then BLK selects a block of text...
how is that useful. fill your screen with text, change the selection mode
(the one that is set to STD) and click drag something in the middle of the
screen. can anyone tell me where this would be useful.

and finally page view should be under the view menu.

cheers,
Andrew

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Hi Andrew, all,

Andrew Pullins wrote (15-04-12 22:38)

> im taking all this from
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Writer_Status_Bar_Remaking
>
> *For writer*
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/1/1e/New-libreoffice-writer-statusbar-v1.png

I really would advise to involve UX, users experience here.
For sure they have thought on the features that may need better / redesign.

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Hi Andrew,

(Lots of IMHO's ahead, so beware.)

> I use it sometimes, it's useful when you are translating or creating a
>> document in multiple languages (like instruction manuals) it sets the
>> auto-correct to the language you are currently using, which is useful.
>> It might not be used by most users who just have it in the language
>> they always use, i guess you could also hide it, but i think the status
>> bar would look a bit empty without it.

Language switching is useful indeed, mostly for spell-checking. It
helps an alot when you wonder why your entire German text has red
underlines and then you notice: correction is still set to English.


> I think that its too cluttered with things that are do not need to be
> there. not sure what the document signature is. document notification
> should be shown in the title of the document with an " * ".

My opinion as well.


> I just played with the insertion mode and selection mode. I now understand
> what insertion its referring to. you know the mode that replaces the text
> in front of the insertion point (the blinking line behind the text). If you
> click on this it will change. does anyone even use this mode any more.

I would argue that today, nobody consciously/voluntarily uses
Overwrite mode any more. However, we need to nix the mode completely
before doing away with this indicator as it is actually quite common
that people accidentally trigger Overwrite mode by pressing the "Ins"
key on the keyboard.


> if you click on the selection mode it changes... well the selection mode.
> STD is standard mode. EXT seems to make it so that you can not select text,
> which I do not know why anyone would want to not be able to select text.

Using EXT, you can select the text that is located between the text
cursor position and the position of the mouse pointer. (EXTend the
selection from text cursor to mouse pointer or something like that.)

> ADD will allow you to select another section of text, just like holding
> control and selecting more text. and then BLK selects a block of text...
> how is that useful. fill your screen with text, change the selection mode
> (the one that is set to STD) and click drag something in the middle of the
> screen. can anyone tell me where this would be useful.

I have no idea, I personally never needed it. I believe it's probably
useful for a minority of users. The upside is that it doesn't seem
easy to trigger these modes by accidentally pressing something. So
removing the indicator should not be a problem.


> and finally page view should be under the view menu.

Should be, yes. Instead, we currently have the View > Zoom box which
you can alternatively use. The View > Zoom box definitely needs to go
away sooner rather than later and be replaced by a menu.


Astron.

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Cor Nouws wrote (16-04-12 23:01)
> I really would advise to involve UX, users experience here.
> For sure they have thought on the features that may need better / redesign.

Rationale:

UX is about functions and how people interoperate with them
Design is about interoperating and the visual appearance of that.

So closely related. Yet not at all the same.

There are some ideas in the status bar design that from UX point of view
could use some attention, IMO.

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2012/4/19 Cor Nouws <[hidden email]>


The LibreOffice Design team concerns itself with both design and UX. There
is no separate UX team.

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Mirek M. wrote (19-04-12 21:16)

> The LibreOffice Design team concerns itself with both design and UX. There
> is no separate UX team.

Ah.. so what does this list do
[hidden email] :-)


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2012/4/19 Cor Nouws <[hidden email]>

> Mirek M. wrote (19-04-12 21:16)
>
>
>  The LibreOffice Design team concerns itself with both design and UX. There
>> is no separate UX team.
>>
>
> Ah.. so what does this list do libreoffice-ux-advise@lists.**
> freedesktop.org <[hidden email]> :-)


That's the list where people from the design and developer teams interact
(i.e. when a designer has a question for developers, or when a developer
wants help with design).

Check out the archives @
http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-ux-advise/ -- that should
give you enough of an idea.

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Hi Andrew, *,

Andrew Pullins wrote (15-04-12 22:38)

> *For writer*
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/1/1e/New-libreoffice-writer-statusbar-v1.png

Nice look!

Remark: not all items in the group Page are of the same kind.
Page number and style is about content, The rest for the view of the
document.

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Hi Andrew,

Cor Nouws <[hidden email]> napsal(a):

>> *For writer*
>>
>https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/1/1e/New-libreoffice-writer-statusbar-v1.png
>
>Nice look!
>
>Remark: not all items in the group Page are of the same kind.
>Page number and style is about content, The rest for the view of the
>document.

Looks better compared to we have now, thanks! :-) One additional change that I think should appear in your proposal is changing those INSRT, STD, BLK, etc. abbreviations either to icons or to full text.

That is of course, when we show the status bar ;-) As I think I explained in another thread (and I think the idea has some support here), I'd like not to show it by default, and use other means of displaying the info where possible.

Regards,
Kendy

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Hi,

Le 15/04/2012 22:38, Andrew Pullins a écrit :
>
> *For writer*
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/1/1e/New-libreoffice-writer-statusbar-v1.png
>

[...]

> Language... why do we need to tell people what language they are in. there
> has never been a moment in my life where I had forgotten what language I
> speak and read. i guess this could be useful for people who speak
> different languages, but then again it does not take that long to recognize
> that the words on the screen are not English. when I see Spanish, German,
> or Swedish I do not wander if it is English. now I would not see the
> difference between German and Swedish, but I could see that it
> is definitely not English. so why is it even there?

Nope. I can write EN text with the FR language defined for character
formatting. The language (format) information is thus very important.
I'd like to keep that in the status bar. Very useful for people writing
multi-language documents (translators, international organizations members).

>
> *For draw/impress*
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/3/33/Current_LO_draw_impress_status_bar.png
>
> object description. is this a description like "shape" or "line". if so do
> we need this.

Yes: disambiguation.

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I work as a translator in multilingual documents. I would agree that the language in the status bar is very useful.

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Hi,

Le 15/04/2012 22:38, Andrew Pullins a écrit :
>
> *For writer*
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/1/1e/New-libreoffice-writer
> -statusbar-v1.png
>

[...]

> Language... why do we need to tell people what language they are in.
> there has never been a moment in my life where I had forgotten what
> language I speak and read. i guess this could be useful for people who
> speak different languages, but then again it does not take that long
> to recognize that the words on the screen are not English. when I see
> Spanish, German, or Swedish I do not wander if it is English. now I
> would not see the difference between German and Swedish, but I could
> see that it is definitely not English. so why is it even there?

Nope. I can write EN text with the FR language defined for character formatting. The language (format) information is thus very important.
I'd like to keep that in the status bar. Very useful for people writing multi-language documents (translators, international organizations members).

>
> *For draw/impress*
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/3/33/Current_LO_draw_impress_status_bar.png
>
> object description. is this a description like "shape" or "line". if so do
> we need this.

Yes: disambiguation.

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Hello,

Can we get off the language thing, I thought I already stated that I
understand how people would need it with the first responce. It can stay,
but can we abbreviate it so it takes up less space?

Now that we are past the language section can we discuss the feast of my
email? Digital signature, document modification, insertion mode, selection
mode, and all the other sections I talked about. Are these sections and
others still useful, should they be there, should they be removed or placed
in other locations?

Cheers,
Andrew

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>
> Now that we are past the language section can we discuss the feast of my
> email? Digital signature, document modification, insertion mode, selection
> mode, and all the other sections I talked about. Are these sections and
> others still useful, should they be there, should they be removed or placed
> in other locations?
>

Digital signature: Useless for most users, i think we should hide it
somewhere.

Document modification: Someone suggested to put an asterisk
on the title like other programs, i think the same thing.

Insertion / selection modes: I played around with them for a while
and they are generally useless, you can do all of that with basic
keyboard shortcuts. Also, most users have no idea of the meaning
of the weird abbreviations in the bottom. I say we remove it.

Page: Maybe you can use this... somehow, i'd say we take
it out too.

Visualization mode: if it was a selector it'd be ok... in the view
menu, or the toolbar. But a simple indicator is quite useless
since all you have to do to know what mode you are on is look
at the screen.

That goes for most programs, now to the specifics.

In Calc:
Sheet: The sheet selection is right above it, no rel need for
"sheet x of x"

Sum: I think this shows the value of the selected rectangle,
which you can see inside the rectangle, no need for it either.

I see other 2 spaces in the status bar that have been blank
all the time i have worked in Calc, i think that if they are not
needed for basic work the shouldn't be in the status bar, at
least no by default.

In Impress:
Position and size: How could you use that? These things are
usually done by eye, most people don't use it, i think it should
go too.

Template: No one ever bothers on checking this out, you usually
choose the template you like without ever caring about it's name.

Tool in use: Oh, really? i'm re-sizing this circle? i would have never
thought of it, Thank you status bar! this is soooo useful!

There's also a blank item in here.

Draw:
Slides: same as page and sheet.

Blank space: |      |

Tool in use: oh! i'm selecting a shape! wow!

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Le 25/04/2012 18:02, Alberto Delgado a écrit :
>
> Digital signature: Useless for most users, i think we should hide it
> somewhere.

In the organization where I work, we have individual smartcards for id
purposes, with which we can (and we do) sign documents. It is very handy
to have this information visible somewhere. I'd *really* like the
information to remain visible. The status bar seems the best place,
unless some other idea comes.

>
> Document modification: Someone suggested to put an asterisk
> on the title like other programs, i think the same thing.

+1

>
> Insertion / selection modes: I played around with them for a while
> and they are generally useless, you can do all of that with basic
> keyboard shortcuts. Also, most users have no idea of the meaning
> of the weird abbreviations in the bottom. I say we remove it.
>
> Page: Maybe you can use this... somehow, i'd say we take
> it out too.

(page) Style information is always useful to have. This allows to not
have to click on the Style and Formatting bar, page category button,
just to know the current page style. Please keep it.

Have you ever had dozens of sheets? I'm sure you couldn't see all of
them at once.

>
> Sum: I think this shows the value of the selected rectangle,
> which you can see inside the rectangle, no need for it either.

You can change the function applied to the current selection (sum by
default): just right click on the status bar. Very useful, too. So, I'd
ask to keep that.

>
> In Impress:
> Position and size: How could you use that? These things are
> usually done by eye, most people don't use it, i think it should
> go too.

The mouse is evil :)
Many people use the dialogs to change that. Having the information
*before* calling the dialog is useful.

>
> Template: No one ever bothers on checking this out, you usually
> choose the template you like without ever caring about it's name.

The person looking at the presentation is not always the creator. There,
I can see the template chosen by the author, then decide to change to
something else.

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>
> In the organization where I work, we have individual smartcards for id
> purposes, with which we can (and we do) sign documents. It is very handy to
> have this information visible somewhere. I'd *really* like the information
> to remain visible. The status bar seems the best place, unless some other
> idea comes.
>

Ok, i didn't say it had no use, i said most users don't use it, maybe
we could hide it by default, make it available in View.


> (page) Style information is always useful to have. This allows to not have
> to click on the Style and Formatting bar, page category button, just to
> know the current page style. Please keep it.
>

I meant the page number "page x of x"

Have you ever had dozens of sheets? I'm sure you couldn't see all of them
> at once.


That's right, but  you don't always use it so maybe it shouldn't
always be there. Maybe it could appear next to the sheet
selection when you have sheets out of range, and make the
X editable (in sheet X of #)

Sum: I think this shows the value of the selected rectangle,
>> which you can see inside the rectangle, no need for it either.
>>
>
> You can change the function applied to the current selection (sum by
> default): just right click on the status bar. Very useful, too. So, I'd ask
> to keep that.


I don't use Calc much, you are probably right.

The mouse is evil :)
> Many people use the dialogs to change that. Having the information
> *before* calling the dialog is useful.


You are right, but maybe the info could be inside the dialog,
have something like "original: xxxxx   New: xxxxx"


> The person looking at the presentation is not always the creator. There, I
> can see the template chosen by the author, then decide to change to
> something else.
>

Yeah, but it's not very common, and even in that situation,
not that useful either, if we don't remove it, we should at least
hide it in View.


What i say is that we should hide all the "might want" and
"might need" stuff, and make it possible to add it in case
someone needs it. That way we make it simple and pretty
for the average user, but powerful enough for professionals.

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Alberto,

I like you, your funny :)

>Document modification: Someone suggested to put an asterisk on the >title
like other programs, i think the same thing.

Yah that was me.

>Visualization mode: if it was a selector it'd be ok... in the view menu,
or >the toolbar. But a simple indicator is quite useless since all you have
to >do to know what mode you are on is look at the screen.

Yah I don't ever change this, and people who do can always just find it in
the view menu. I think you can find it there now. I don't know if this is
how the suit works now but it should remember what view you have selected
from before, that way people who do change this do not have to change it
back all the time.

Jean

> In the organization where I work, we have individual smartcards for id
>purposes, with which we can (and we do) sign documents. It is very >handy
to have this information visible somewhere. I'd *really* like the
>information to remain visible. The status bar seems the best place,
>unless some other idea comes.

So would you please explain how it works. I don't not use it so it's not
set up for me. To me it seems useless but if you say you use it maybe not.

Cheers,
Andrew

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