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Jean-Francois Nifenecker Jean-Francois Nifenecker
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Re: questions about the status bar

Le 25/04/2012 19:42, Andrew Pullins a écrit :

>
> Jean
>
>> In the organization where I work, we have individual smartcards for id
>> purposes, with which we can (and we do) sign documents. It is very>handy
> to have this information visible somewhere. I'd *really* like the
>> information to remain visible. The status bar seems the best place,
>> unless some other idea comes.
>
> So would you please explain how it works. I don't not use it so it's not
> set up for me. To me it seems useless but if you say you use it maybe not.
>

The smartcard holds a security certificate and the user has got an
associated password. Well, nothing very fancy here, just some PKI.

When you want to digitally sign a document (OOo/LibO allow for that for
years) you use the File/Sign menu entry. A new dialog comes up with a
"Sign document" button [1]. Just press the button, insert your smartcard
when required, enter your password and that's it: the document is signed.

 From now on, any reader can see that the document is signed when
looking at the "seal" icon in the status bar, and by whom by calling the
File/Sign dialog.

Of course, any change made to the document afterwards will break the
signing.

Certainly the fact that people have their smarcard at hand (used all day
long for intranet access) makes digital signing very easy. As I said,
the "seal" icon place seems nice in the status bar. Should that bar
disappear, it would be useful to display the signing information
prominently somewhere else.

[1] freely translated from my FR interface
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Alberto Delgado Alberto Delgado
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Interesting, i get now how it can be useful, but, going
back to what i was saying before, we can't focus the
status bar on how in "could" or "might" be used.

There are a lot of options that some people use but
most don't, we can't just throw them away, what we
have to do is make them available for those who
need it.

For example: You always use the signature icon in
the status bar, but we hid it away, all you would have
to do is go to View>Status Bar and check "Digital
Signature" from now on, every time you open that
program, you will have the icon on your status bar.

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Jean, Albert,

That you for explaining this jean. I see how this would be useful.

> For example: You always use the signature icon in
> the status bar, but we hid it away, all you would have
> to do is go to View>Status Bar and check "Digital
> Signature" from now on, every time you open that
> program, you will have the icon on your status bar.

Better idea. Make the status bar contextual, and only show the digital
signature when there is one. There is no point in showing that there is no
signature with a blank. Just don't show it. And when there is one it would
appear.

How does that sound Jean?

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Jean-Francois Nifenecker Jean-Francois Nifenecker
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Le 25/04/2012 21:03, Andrew Pullins a écrit :
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> Better idea. Make the status bar contextual, and only show the digital
> signature when there is one. There is no point in showing that there is no
> signature with a blank. Just don't show it. And when there is one it would
> appear.
>
> How does that sound Jean?
>

That option is ok for me. The point is to make the information visible
when a document is signed, without any user interaction.

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Shameer Nyland Ali Shameer Nyland Ali
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Hi, I'm new here, and feel a bit confused. If I want to suggest things, how do i do it.
And is it possible to join the design team without all the emails?

I have some suggestions and sketches for the startup window, but is this uninteresting for you, if your working on other things?

Shameer


On 26. apr., uke 17, at 06:56, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote:

> Le 25/04/2012 21:03, Andrew Pullins a écrit :
>>
>> Better idea. Make the status bar contextual, and only show the digital
>> signature when there is one. There is no point in showing that there is no
>> signature with a blank. Just don't show it. And when there is one it would
>> appear.
>>
>> How does that sound Jean?
>>
>
> That option is ok for me. The point is to make the information visible when a document is signed, without any user interaction.
>
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Me too - the same problem - dunno did anybody receive my message,
Maybe this is explained somewhere but
cannot find where to start
Jorma

26. huhtikuuta 2012 10.46 Shameer Nyland Ali <[hidden email]> kirjoitti:

> Hi, I'm new here, and feel a bit confused. If I want to suggest things, how do i do it.
> And is it possible to join the design team without all the emails?
>
> I have some suggestions and sketches for the startup window, but is this uninteresting for you, if your working on other things?
>
> Shameer
>
>
> On 26. apr., uke 17, at 06:56, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote:
>
>> Le 25/04/2012 21:03, Andrew Pullins a écrit :
>>>
>>> Better idea. Make the status bar contextual, and only show the digital
>>> signature when there is one. There is no point in showing that there is no
>>> signature with a blank. Just don't show it. And when there is one it would
>>> appear.
>>>
>>> How does that sound Jean?
>>>
>>
>> That option is ok for me. The point is to make the information visible when a document is signed, without any user interaction.
>>
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Sveinn í Felli Sveinn í Felli
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Þann fim 26.apr 2012 07:46, skrifaði Shameer Nyland Ali:
> Hi, I'm new here, and feel a bit confused. If I want to suggest things, how do i do it.
> And is it possible to join the design team without all the emails?
>

The link at the bottom of every mail (marked 'Problems?')
leads to unsubscribe options, but there are also other help
topics for the mailing-list interface.

<http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/>

What you're after is probably the 'nomail' option, example:

<[hidden email]>

You could also use the digest option (many posts bundled
into a daily+ post)

<[hidden email]>

With the 'nomail' option you can read the mail on
Nabble/Gmane and still send replies without being trapped in
moderation queue.

There are yet other ways of handling such issues, but these
are the most straightforward.

Best regards,

Sveinn í Felli


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Jan Holesovsky wrote (24-04-12 09:13)

> Cor Nouws<[hidden email]>  napsal(a):
>
>>> *For writer*
>>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/1/1e/New-libreoffice-writer-statusbar-v1.png
>>
>> Nice look!
>> Remark: not all items in the group Page are of the same kind. Page
>> number and style is about content, The rest for the view of the
>> document.
>
> Looks better compared to we have now, thanks! :-)

Ah yes, it really looks nice.
What do you think of the grouping, Kendy, as I noted?

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Re: questions about the status bar

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Hi all,

Since there are some questions about functions on the status bar, here
some documentation:

This one is very good, not fulle up to date and only for Writer, but the
most things are still true:
http://www.ooowiki.de/StatusLeiste  (German)

And the section Status Bar in chapter 1 of this guide:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/8/85/0401DG3-IntroducingDraw.pdf

In my experience the status bar is used by a wide variety of people and
often very experienced, that are easily using right mouse etc etc.
Removing functionality does not look an option too me. If the
representation and the design can be improved: great.

Also wrt functions that are hidden, e.g. the list of bookmarks when
right clicking: that is not a problem per see. Even recently visible
functionality has been removed from tool bars and replaced by hidden.

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Hi Cor,

On 2012-04-29 at 23:36 +0200, Cor Nouws wrote:

> >>> *For writer*
> >>> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/images/1/1e/New-libreoffice-writer-statusbar-v1.png
> >>
> >> Nice look!
> >> Remark: not all items in the group Page are of the same kind. Page
> >> number and style is about content, The rest for the view of the
> >> document.
> >
> > Looks better compared to we have now, thanks! :-)
>
> Ah yes, it really looks nice.
> What do you think of the grouping, Kendy, as I noted?

I don't have a really strong opinion about the grouping itself; I see as
an improvement as such, and if we can tweak it to become even better, no
problem with that :-)

Regards,
Kendy


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Re: questions about the status bar

Hi Kendy,

Jan Holesovsky wrote (30-04-12 15:24)

> I don't have a really strong opinion about the grouping itself; I see as
> an improvement as such, and if we can tweak it to become even better, no
> problem with that :-)

I do. I don't think that mixing page view and document content makes sense.
Late night, I also was thinking that it would be a good start, if people
really want to change the ordering and not only the appearance of the
status bar, to make images of all current implementations over the
various modules and maybe also various situation.
Maybe there is some consistency too, that could be considered when
thinking about changes.
Well, things like that.

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Re: questions about the status bar

Hello,

Mirek has recently posted his mockup of the status bar. What do you think
about it.

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Writer_Status_Bar_Remaking

Andrew
On Apr 30, 2012 9:30 AM, "Cor Nouws" <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hi Kendy,
>
> Jan Holesovsky wrote (30-04-12 15:24)
>
>  I don't have a really strong opinion about the grouping itself; I see as
>> an improvement as such, and if we can tweak it to become even better, no
>> problem with that :-)
>>
>
> I do. I don't think that mixing page view and document content makes sense.
> Late night, I also was thinking that it would be a good start, if people
> really want to change the ordering and not only the appearance of the
> status bar, to make images of all current implementations over the various
> modules and maybe also various situation.
> Maybe there is some consistency too, that could be considered when
> thinking about changes.
> Well, things like that.
>
> Regards,
>
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