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real color names - but to weird to be named in a color palette for LO


I was looking at some old PDF pages I printed up from web pages about
color palettes and designing web pages.  Went back to a site I had not
looked at for nearly a year.

I noticed one color list - nearly 1000 they say, and some eye popping
and/or weird names listed.

The site gave this quote "These hex values are non official approximate
values intended to simulate the colors in HTML". With some of the names
I saw, you better be vague.

Here are a few of the weird color names.

Right after babyblue, babygreen, and babypink, are the first few like;

ab9004 - "babypoo"
937c00 - "babypoop"
8f9805 - "babypoopgreen"
b6c406 - "babypukegreen"

then things like "barfgreen", "bluewithahintofpurple",
[skipping over a lot of dark, light, dirty, deep, dusky, and on, and on]
then in the beginning of the 23rd page of 23 is

a2a415 - "vomit"
89a203 - "vomitgreen"
c7c10c - "vomityellow"

I really do not want to make a color palette file with such names as
these listed in the file itself.

Then there is one list that have the following [each line a different
Hex code];
   Coast Guard Deck Red
   DoT Highway Red
   OSHA Safety Red, DoT Red
   OSHA Safety Red
   Insignia Red
   OSHA Safety Red
   Post Office Red
   Coast Guard Buoy Red
   Coast Guard Red #40
and goes on like that for almost 20 pages.



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Re: real color names - but to weird to be named in a color palette for LO

On 08/26/2017 01:56 AM, Tim wrote:
> Here are a few of the weird color names.

Colour names can be, well, strange. Very strange. Take a look at the
names of lipstick and nail polish colours.

> 937c00 - "babypoop"
> 8f9805 - "babypoopgreen"

From a marketing perspective, I personally think those names are
terrible. OTOH, those colours are almost as bad looking as the names
are.  Regardless, those are common names for those specific shades.

Worse luck: A few years ago, they were fairly popular with builders
doing large condo projects. So long as the purchaser doesn't know the
name of the colour on the can of paint, the sale will go through.

> I really do not want to make a color palette file with such names as these listed in the file itself.

What is the URL for these two lists?

> Then there is one list that have the following [each line a different Hex code];

Those long lists of shades are for people who want/need very specific
shades, for the colouring scheme.

jonathon

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Re: real color names - but to weird to be named in a color palette for LO

On 08/26/2017 06:51 AM, jonathon wrote:

> On 08/26/2017 01:56 AM, Tim wrote:
>> Here are a few of the weird color names.
> Colour names can be, well, strange. Very strange. Take a look at the
> names of lipstick and nail polish colours.
>
>> 937c00 - "babypoop"
>> 8f9805 - "babypoopgreen"
>  From a marketing perspective, I personally think those names are
> terrible. OTOH, those colours are almost as bad looking as the names
> are.  Regardless, those are common names for those specific shades.
>
> Worse luck: A few years ago, they were fairly popular with builders
> doing large condo projects. So long as the purchaser doesn't know the
> name of the colour on the can of paint, the sale will go through.

Yes, colors names like "moon glow blue" or "blushing love pink" are just
a marking idea so the colors would have names that would promote certain
ideas or emotions. To be honest, I just made up these color names but
there may be such names somewhere.

I did read a statement that there are specific standard of colors that
use 20+ color names and then add adjectives to it for the "shades" of
these small group of names.  Names like pale_Pink, deep_Red,
strong_Brown, vivid_Yellow, strong_Green, etc., etc..

What I also like is color names that looks like the color. AppleGreen,
Banana, Bronze, Butter, Celery, Cocoa, Coffee, Cinnamon, Heather, Lemon,
Lime, and other colors that people associate a "real object" name with a
specific color.  That would be a nice list to have.  I may make one.  
Since LibreOffice shows the color names as you hover over them, having a
list of colors with these "real objects" might help our users.

Names like allports, almondfrost, atomic, california, and others like
this do have any real object that associate with these names.

Noe LibreOffice has names like Green3 and Yellow0.  Since these colors
are for Branding purposes, they do not need to have a more descriptive
names.  This is the same for the lists of specific colors like OSHA
Safety Yellow.  The OSHA colors are specific colors to be used for
people's, or environmental, safety needs.


> What is the URL for these two lists?

1 - Here is a very readable edited page for the weird colors.

libreoffice-na.us/Weird-Color-Names.pdf
<http://libreoffice-na.us/Weird-Color-Names.pdf>

2- The various USA standard colors, etc.

libreoffice-na.us/w3schools--usa-color-standard.pdf
<http://libreoffice-na.us/w3schools--usa-color-standard.pdf>

3 - Most of the gold and brown colors came from the below list.  The
original location of the PDF files is listed within this file.

liberoffice-na.us/resene-a--Alphabetical Color Chart.pdf
<http://libreoffice-na.us/resene-a--Alphabetical%20Color%20Chart.pdf>


The USA and UK specific color lists are in the W3Schools.com web site.

They have a color list with this quote
  "The Natural Color System (NCS) is the color standard (for interior
design, decorating, and painting) in Sweden, Spain, Norway and South
Africa."

and

"The NCS standard is unique because it is based entirely on the
perception of colors (how eyes naturally see red, yellow, blue, green,
white, and black)."

That large list has a list of color "description number" and a Hex Code
number.  If you use the description of the color, they have a Javascript
to convert it to the closest HTML usable color code.

> Those long lists of shades are for people who want/need very specific
> shades, for the colouring scheme.
>
> jonathon
>
That is why I am making small palettes that feature a specific color
name and related colors.  I know a number of people who need a better
color than listed in the "standard.soc" and other palettes.  When I am
making posters with Writer, browns and other "included" palette colors
many times do not look good printed out.  So, I now have the time to
start making the various palettes I would love to have even a year ago.

Then there is the color palettes that have OSHA, Dept. of Transit,
Military, etc., specific color lists.  They may be useful for users.

ALSO

The "w3schools" has resources for various areas of web page development.


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Re: real color names - but to weird to be named in a color palette for LO

On 08/26/2017 05:22 PM, Tim-L--Elmira-NY wrote:

> Yes, colors names like "moon glow blue" or "blushing love pink" are just

Those are either lipstick or nail polish colours.
> 1 - Here is a very readable edited page for the weird colors.
> libreoffice-na.us/Weird-Color-Names.pdf

I prefer colours like Incardnadine.

> Then there is the color palettes that have OSHA, Dept. of Transit,
> Military, etc., specific color lists.  They may be useful for users.

I've got the colour palettes. What I don't have, is the ability to
successfully wrap them into an extension that places them where they belong.

jonathon

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Re: real color names - but to weird to be named in a color palette for LO

On 08/26/2017 08:38 PM, jonathon wrote:
> On 08/26/2017 05:22 PM, Tim-L--Elmira-NY wrote:
>
>> Yes, colors names like "moon glow blue" or "blushing love pink" are just
> Those are either lipstick or nail polish colours.

Well, they could be that.
>> 1 - Here is a very readable edited page for the weird colors.
>> libreoffice-na.us/Weird-Color-Names.pdf
> I prefer colours like Incardnadine.
Had to look that one up.
Flesh-Colored.

Well the French and Italians do have some interesting decorative names
and ideas, even if it was from the 16th century.  But the updated verb
for it seems to be "to make the color of flesh" or "to redden".

>> Then there is the color palettes that have OSHA, Dept. of Transit,
>> Military, etc., specific color lists.  They may be useful for users.
> I've got the colour palettes. What I don't have, is the ability to
> successfully wrap them into an extension that places them where they belong.
>
> jonathon
I have not tried to make an extension yet, but first the question would
be do you need a different one for every OS and distro type? That would
be something to have the extension do be able to know which OS and where
it needs to go in these different systems.

I still have not had more than a minute or few to figure out what is in
the coding here:

"https://design.blog.documentfoundation.org/2016/12/30/new-color-palettes-in-libreoffice/"

I may need to change the top config lines of the palettes to reflect the
"description" in this code.

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
     <description
         xmlns="http://openoffice.org/extensions/description/2006"
         xmlns:d="http://openoffice.org/extensions/description/2006"
xmlns:lo="http://libreoffice.org/extensions/description/2011"
         xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink">

I do not remember all of the reading I did years ago about making
dictionaries and extensions.

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Maybe after Labor Day [Sept. 4th], I can do some more research on these
topics.  I am preparing for a "movie night" project on Thursday evening,
since I am providing the movie [Hatari - John Wayne], the video
projector [up to 200+ inch screen and more], and the 7+ foot wide tripod
screen.  After that, all I have to do with that project is decide what
the next movie is and when.  So I hope to have some time to do other things.




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On 08/27/2017 02:57 AM, Tim-L--Elmira-NY wrote:

>> I've got the colour palettes. What I don't have, is the ability to
>> successfully wrap them into an extension that places them where they
>> belong.
>>


> be do you need a different one for every OS and distro type? That would

What an intelligent self-installing extension would do, is read the LibO
configuration file, to determine where to place the palette.

However, the specifications appear to require the path that the palette
is placed in, to be in the  config.xcu, which is part of the extension.
If something like ~/libreoffice/share/palette worked, that would
simplify matters, but when I tried it, it didn't work. :(

> I do not remember all of the reading I did years ago about making dictionaries and extensions.

One piece of documentation that I think should be a priority, is a PDF,
with an accompanying video, showing how to put your dictionary, colour
palette, color gradient, or template into an oxt file for distribution
to third parties.

> Maybe after Labor Day [Sept. 4th], I can do some more research on these topics.



jonathon

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