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krackedpress

why does Windows version take so long to remove?

I am working on a Windows desktop that has 3.4.x [.5 or .6] on it.

I am using Control Panel to remove it before I install 3.5.5.

Well it has taken over 1/2 hour to remove it, and still has time to go.

This is on a Sempron 3500+ CPU, 512 MB ram, running XP.

This very slow removal is also happing on a much faster XP CPU laptop [1
GB ram] and a Vista dual core laptop [3 GB ram].

For this Sempron CPU machine, I will be installing 3.5.5 for a friend.

The drive is defraged and there is not much running in ram, like
security programs.

I noticed that on the Vista dual core laptop, the Ubuntu boot version of
LO removed many times faster than on the Windows version, when I did the
3.4.6 to 3.5.5 upgrade on both Windows boot and Ubuntu boot.

SO, and not to bash Windows, is there any problems/issues with LO
removal on Windows, before upgrading to the next line, that makes it so
much slower than it should be? The installing is so much faster, like 5
times as fast as fast.

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Tanstaafl

Re: why does Windows version take so long to remove?

On 2012-08-08 11:04 AM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> I am using Control Panel to remove it before I install 3.5.5.
>
> Well it has taken over 1/2 hour to remove it, and still has time to go.
>
> This is on a Sempron 3500+ CPU, 512 MB ram, running XP.
>
> This very slow removal is also happing on a much faster XP CPU laptop [1
> GB ram] and a Vista dual core laptop [3 GB ram].

Uninstall has always taken 2-3 times longer than the install in my
experience (I do a LOT of uninstall/installs, as I always uninstall the
old before installing the new version)...

I've never seen it take 30 minutes though... ever...

I will say though... I consider 1GB to be the *bare minumum* on an XP
box but it will still be sluggish. I couldn't use it with 512MB, it
would drive me to drink.

For XP, I always recommend 2GB, and for 7 (won't touch Vista), minimum
is 4GB.

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krackedpress

Re: why does Windows version take so long to remove?

On 08/08/2012 03:49 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:

> On 2012-08-08 11:04 AM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I am using Control Panel to remove it before I install 3.5.5.
>>
>> Well it has taken over 1/2 hour to remove it, and still has time to go.
>>
>> This is on a Sempron 3500+ CPU, 512 MB ram, running XP.
>>
>> This very slow removal is also happing on a much faster XP CPU laptop [1
>> GB ram] and a Vista dual core laptop [3 GB ram].
>
> Uninstall has always taken 2-3 times longer than the install in my
> experience (I do a LOT of uninstall/installs, as I always uninstall
> the old before installing the new version)...
>
> I've never seen it take 30 minutes though... ever...
>
> I will say though... I consider 1GB to be the *bare minumum* on an XP
> box but it will still be sluggish. I couldn't use it with 512MB, it
> would drive me to drink.
>
> For XP, I always recommend 2GB, and for 7 (won't touch Vista), minimum
> is 4GB.
>

The system came with 512 from the factory. All the systems I dealt with
that had XP from the factory has 512 for ram. I do not have Win7, but
would like to replace my Vista laptop with it.

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Tanstaafl

Re: why does Windows version take so long to remove?

On 2012-08-08 4:19 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P
<[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I will say though... I consider 1GB to be the *bare minumum* on an XP
>> box but it will still be sluggish. I couldn't use it with 512MB, it
>> would drive me to drink.
>>
>> For XP, I always recommend 2GB, and for 7 (won't touch Vista), minimum
>> is 4GB.

> The system came with 512 from the factory. All the systems I dealt with
> that had XP from the factory has 512 for ram.

Irrelevant to my point. The fact is, XP is simply a total DOG with less
than 1GB RAM, and is much better with 2GB.

> I do not have Win7, but would like to replace my Vista laptop with
> it.

Just be sure to get 64bit with at *least* 4GB, but much better would be 8G.

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Jay Lozier

Re: why does Windows version take so long to remove?

On 08/10/2012 05:53 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:

> On 2012-08-08 4:19 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> I will say though... I consider 1GB to be the *bare minumum* on an XP
>>> box but it will still be sluggish. I couldn't use it with 512MB, it
>>> would drive me to drink.
>>>
>>> For XP, I always recommend 2GB, and for 7 (won't touch Vista), minimum
>>> is 4GB.
>
>> The system came with 512 from the factory. All the systems I dealt with
>> that had XP from the factory has 512 for ram.
>
> Irrelevant to my point. The fact is, XP is simply a total DOG with
> less than 1GB RAM, and is much better with 2GB.
>
>> I do not have Win7, but would like to replace my Vista laptop with
>> it.
>
> Just be sure to get 64bit with at *least* 4GB, but much better would
> be 8G.
>

Actually, maximizing the RAM on any computer will improve its
performance and it is relatively cheap and easy to do. It does not
matter which OS or CPU.

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4jackie40d

Re: why does Windows version take so long to remove?

In reply to this post by Tanstaafl

omega
The
Omega sector
America's Last
Line of
Defense

*You have a SLOW or not much memory VIDEO CARD ! !. . . Since a 500 meg
or more video card is below $25.00 get one and your computer will work
better take the 32 to 124 meg video card out and burn it so no one else
uses it and wonders why their computer is so slow to change screens
*

*Might also upgrade to Linux a windows is not one of the better systems
to use for anything .
*

*

*

On 08/10/2012 02:53 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:

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krackedpress

Re: why does Windows version take so long to remove?

In reply to this post by Tanstaafl

On 08/10/2012 05:53 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:

Sorry, but my Vista laptop maxed out at 3 GB, so I will need to install
Win7 with 3 GB. It was not made for Win7 but almost anything is better
than Vista. I doubt that I will be able to get it to have more memory
than the 3 GB installed, but I will look into it.

I want to get that system upgraded in the near future so I can deal with
the Win7 people and their LO needs. It is getting to be a problem not
having a Win7 system for supporting people. I prefer Ubuntu, but most
of my friends use Win7 now. Only one uses Linux.

I really want to keep supporting LO under Windows, so as people buy new
systems with Win7, I am loosing ground with them. One girl bought a
very powerful 17" laptop, just to type notes, play videos, and browse
the Net. She spent three times as much as needed for doing just that
type of "work". I would love such a laptop, but I cannot afford one
like that. At least she is using LO now and not get convinced that she
had to have MSO.

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Tanstaafl

Re: why does Windows version take so long to remove?

In reply to this post by Jay Lozier

On 2012-08-10 8:52 AM, Jay Lozier <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Actually, maximizing the RAM on any computer will improve its
> performance and it is relatively cheap and easy to do. It does not
> matter which OS or CPU.

My point though is that there is generally a sweet spot, determined by
OS/version and what kind of usage.

Someone on Windows 7 who only does email and web browsing will not
benefit much from more than 4GB of RAM, while someone who does a lot of
number crunching and graphics work and opening large files will benefit
a lot.

My personal 'bare minimum and better' recommendations are aimed at
casual users...

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Jay Lozier

Re: why does Windows version take so long to remove?

On 08/10/2012 02:14 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:

> On 2012-08-10 8:52 AM, Jay Lozier <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Actually, maximizing the RAM on any computer will improve its
>> performance and it is relatively cheap and easy to do. It does not
>> matter which OS or CPU.
>
> My point though is that there is generally a sweet spot, determined by
> OS/version and what kind of usage.
>
> Someone on Windows 7 who only does email and web browsing will not
> benefit much from more than 4GB of RAM, while someone who does a lot
> of number crunching and graphics work and opening large files will
> benefit a lot.
>
> My personal 'bare minimum and better' recommendations are aimed at
> casual users...
>

There is a point of diminishing returns where more memory will not
noticeably improve performance depending on usage with increasing
memory. But the demands on the computer tend to increase with time as
people use more graphically intensive applications/websites.

Personally, I prefer install the maximum the motherboard can handle.

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Andrew Brager

Re: why does Windows version take so long to remove?

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You clearly don't play video games :^)

On 8/10/2012 6:02 AM, Lynne Stevens wrote:
>
> *Might also upgrade to Linux a windows is not one of the better
> systems to use for anything .

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Tanstaafl

Re: why does Windows version take so long to remove?

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On 2012-08-10 2:54 PM, Jay Lozier <[hidden email]> wrote:
> There is a point of diminishing returns where more memory will not
> noticeably improve performance depending on usage with increasing
> memory. But the demands on the computer tend to increase with time as
> people use more graphically intensive applications/websites.
>
> Personally, I prefer install the maximum the motherboard can handle.

No argument there, especial as cheap as RAM is these days... ;)

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Tom

Re: why does Windows version take so long to remove?

Hi :)
Depends which type of Ram. 'Old' DDR1 (such as for most of mine) is so horribly expensive it would be cheaper for me to buy a new mbord, plus chip, plus a healthy amount of DDR3 leaving a couple of slots for a future upgrade.

On the even older machines at work the 'ancient' sd-ram is difficult to even find. I think you have to find an antiques shop rather than a computer store. We bought 4 'new' Cpus for about £50, which is less than 1 decent stick of DDR1 ram so now those 4 are only horribly slow rather than being mind-bogglingly putrifying heaps of horrible slowness. Quite a step up!! You can ask them to do 2 things at once and it might even finish before the kettle's boiled now! (rather than after lunch). If those machines got newer hard-drives that spun faster than a buckled
bicycle wheel in thick mud then they might run a tad faster and with
SSDs they might only 'run' at a mildly annoying slow crawl - even on Windows.

Usually the bottle-neck tends to be Ram, or at least Ram is the easiest fix but it's not always so.

Regards from
Tom :)

--- On Fri, 10/8/12, Tanstaafl <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Tanstaafl <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] why does Windows version take so long to remove?
To: [hidden email]
Cc: "Jay Lozier" <[hidden email]>
Date: Friday, 10 August, 2012, 23:08

On 2012-08-10 2:54 PM, Jay Lozier <[hidden email]> wrote:
> There is a point of diminishing returns where more memory will not
> noticeably improve performance depending on usage with increasing
> memory. But the demands on the computer tend to increase with time as
> people use more graphically intensive applications/websites.
>
> Personally, I prefer install the maximum the motherboard can handle.

No argument there, especial as cheap as RAM is these days... ;)

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Tom

Re: why does Windows version take so long to remove?

In reply to this post by krackedpress

Hi :)
Have you tried Glest and "Battle for Wesnoth"?

I'm not
an FPS fan so i've not tried Alien Arena (well i have but i die toooo
fast on-line) but there are many legacy games such as Elite and other
classics. Also
http://trine-thegame.com/site/
http://www.unixmen.com/gaming-on-linux1131-19-awesome-opensource-games-for-linux/
Regards from
Tom :)

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From: Andrew Brager <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] why does Windows version take so long to remove?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, 10 August, 2012, 21:00

You clearly don't play video games :^)

On
8/10/2012 6:02 AM, Lynne Stevens wrote:
>
> *Might also upgrade to Linux a windows is not one of the better systems to use for anything .

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Tom

Re: why does Windows version take so long to remove?

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Hi :)
I think Win7 uses less resources than Vista. it was the first time they de-bloated their OS = an attempt to fit it onto mobile devices such as tablets (ok, not very mobile but more mobile than desktops). So upgrading from Vista to Win7 might well be a good idea without worrying about upgrading Ram.

"Just play a few games"! It's games that typically push the limits of computers and push people into upgrading hardware.
Regards from
Tom :)

--- On Fri, 10/8/12, webmaster-Kracked_P_P <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] why does Windows version take so long to remove?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, 10 August, 2012, 14:07

On 08/10/2012 05:53 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:

> On 2012-08-08 4:19 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> I will say though... I consider 1GB to be the *bare minumum* on an XP
>>> box but it will still be sluggish. I couldn't use it with 512MB, it
>>> would drive me to drink.
>>>
>>> For XP, I always recommend 2GB, and for 7 (won't touch Vista), minimum
>>> is 4GB.
>
>> The system came with 512 from the factory. All the systems I dealt with
>> that had XP from the factory has 512 for ram.
>
> Irrelevant to my point. The fact is, XP is simply a total DOG with less than 1GB RAM, and is much better with 2GB.
>
>> I do not have Win7, but would like to replace my Vista laptop with
>> it.
>
> Just be sure to get 64bit with at *least* 4GB, but much better would be 8G.
>

Sorry, but my Vista laptop maxed out at 3 GB, so I will need to install Win7 with 3 GB. It was not made for Win7 but almost anything is better than Vista. I doubt that I will be able to get it to have more memory than the 3 GB installed, but I will look into it.

I want to get that system upgraded in the near future so I can deal with the Win7 people and their LO needs. It is getting to be a problem not having a Win7 system for supporting people. I prefer Ubuntu, but most of my friends use Win7 now. Only one uses Linux.

I really want to keep supporting LO under Windows, so as people buy new systems with Win7, I am loosing ground with them. One girl bought a very powerful 17" laptop, just to type notes, play videos, and browse the Net. She spent three times as much as needed for doing just that type of "work". I would love such a laptop, but I cannot afford one like that. At least she is using LO now and not get convinced that she had to have MSO.

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krackedpress

Re: why does Windows version take so long to remove?

According to the Win 7 Upgrade Advisor - Win 7 requires:

64-bit version:
1GHz+ CPU
2 GB+ RAM
20 GB+ drive space

32-bit version:
1GHz+ CPU
1GB+ RAM
16 GB+ drive space

There are a lot of software installed on my Vista [32-bit] laptop that
needs "paid" upgrades to work, or are "unknown" for working or not. At
least their Advisor did not reject LO, like it did for my Laserjet
2300dn printer. It is a good workgroup printer and MS does not know if
it will work on Win7? That is weird. IT was new a few years before
Win7 came out, so it should have a reference about working.

As for real world resources, well Win7 is a better OS than Vista, but it
may take more CPU power than Vista and more drive space than the
"Advisor" indicated. Whatever it needs, it would be better than Vista.
Also I have a 32-bit Vista and I would install 64-bit Win7, since the
laptop has a 64-bit CPU. I run 64-Bit Ubuntu on it as its second boot.

I have a 14 page [PDF] printout of the report that their advisor
created. Will keep it for a bit as a resource.

As for gaming, well I am not one who plays computer games or own a game
playing device. Never got into it.
.
On 08/17/2012 10:09 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

> Hi :)
> I think Win7 uses less resources than Vista. it was the first time they de-bloated their OS = an attempt to fit it onto mobile devices such as tablets (ok, not very mobile but more mobile than desktops). So upgrading from Vista to Win7 might well be a good idea without worrying about upgrading Ram.
>
> "Just play a few games"! It's games that typically push the limits of computers and push people into upgrading hardware.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 10/8/12, webmaster-Kracked_P_P <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] why does Windows version take so long to remove?
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Friday, 10 August, 2012, 14:07
>
> On 08/10/2012 05:53 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
>> On 2012-08-08 4:19 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>> I will say though... I consider 1GB to be the *bare minumum* on an XP
>>>> box but it will still be sluggish. I couldn't use it with 512MB, it
>>>> would drive me to drink.
>>>>
>>>> For XP, I always recommend 2GB, and for 7 (won't touch Vista), minimum
>>>> is 4GB.
>>> The system came with 512 from the factory. All the systems I dealt with
>>> that had XP from the factory has 512 for ram.
>> Irrelevant to my point. The fact is, XP is simply a total DOG with less than 1GB RAM, and is much better with 2GB.
>>
>>> I do not have Win7, but would like to replace my Vista laptop with
>>> it.
>> Just be sure to get 64bit with at *least* 4GB, but much better would be 8G.
>>
> Sorry, but my Vista laptop maxed out at 3 GB, so I will need to install Win7 with 3 GB. It was not made for Win7 but almost anything is better than Vista. I doubt that I will be able to get it to have more memory than the 3 GB installed, but I will look into it.
>
> I want to get that system upgraded in the near future so I can deal with the Win7 people and their LO needs. It is getting to be a problem not having a Win7 system for supporting people. I prefer Ubuntu, but most of my friends use Win7 now. Only one uses Linux.
>
> I really want to keep supporting LO under Windows, so as people buy new systems with Win7, I am loosing ground with them. One girl bought a very powerful 17" laptop, just to type notes, play videos, and browse the Net. She spent three times as much as needed for doing just that type of "work". I would love such a laptop, but I cannot afford one like that. At least she is using LO now and not get convinced that she had to have MSO.
>
>
>
>
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